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GOP House To Cut Aid For Pregnant Women, Children While Spending $17 Billion More On Defense

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posted on Jun, 15 2011 @ 01:11 PM
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That kid people here don’t want to feed or educate, I hope one day doesn’t commit a crime against you or your family.

The children people here don’t want to feed didn’t ask to come into the world

They live in America, or in the world we all live in, therefore we all should have an interest in making a half way decent life for as many as possible, because if we don’t it will eventually get back to us anyway, in the form of jails, crime, paying for the mentally ill, or any variety of social ills that always affect society negatively.

This is not socialism its social responsibility!




posted on Jun, 15 2011 @ 01:14 PM
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Thry are not really spending it on Defence.
They are spending it on Wars of Agression.



posted on Jun, 15 2011 @ 01:16 PM
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Originally posted by inforeal
That kid people here don’t want to feed or educate, I hope one day doesn’t commit a crime against you or your family.

The children people here don’t want to feed didn’t ask to come into the world

They live in America, or in the world we all live in, therefore we all should have an interest in making a half way decent life for as many as possible, because if we don’t it will eventually get back to us anyway, in the form of jails, crime, paying for the mentally ill, or any variety of social ills that always affect society negatively.

This is not socialism its social responsibility!


So because they grow up poor or without food or on Govt assistance they will become criminals?

Wow.

I also fail to see where it is my responsibility to not only provide for others, but to have the Fed Govt take from me to provide for others.



posted on Jun, 15 2011 @ 01:19 PM
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Originally posted by inforeal
That kid people here don’t want to feed or educate, I hope one day doesn’t commit a crime against you or your family.

The children people here don’t want to feed didn’t ask to come into the world

They live in America, or in the world we all live in, therefore we all should have an interest in making a half way decent life for as many as possible, because if we don’t it will eventually get back to us anyway, in the form of jails, crime, paying for the mentally ill, or any variety of social ills that always affect society negatively.

This is not socialism its social responsibility!


What is socialy responsible is to not breed children you can't afford to feed.

It's a pretty simple concept.



posted on Jun, 15 2011 @ 01:21 PM
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Originally posted by macman

Originally posted by inforeal
That kid people here don’t want to feed or educate, I hope one day doesn’t commit a crime against you or your family.

The children people here don’t want to feed didn’t ask to come into the world

They live in America, or in the world we all live in, therefore we all should have an interest in making a half way decent life for as many as possible, because if we don’t it will eventually get back to us anyway, in the form of jails, crime, paying for the mentally ill, or any variety of social ills that always affect society negatively.

This is not socialism its social responsibility!


So because they grow up poor or without food or on Govt assistance they will become criminals?

Wow.

I also fail to see where it is my responsibility to not only provide for others, but to have the Fed Govt take from me to provide for others.



Will they grow up at all without food? No, they will die. Face it, you wish to starve kids to death because of your value system which values your pocketbook more than the well being of an innocent child. You can't escape that no matter how much the program might waste, it still feeds kids and could feed even more if greedy people like yourself weren't so concerned about "big government". At least that's what my unicorn tells me.



posted on Jun, 15 2011 @ 01:24 PM
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Originally posted by VAPatriot

Originally posted by inforeal
That kid people here don’t want to feed or educate, I hope one day doesn’t commit a crime against you or your family.

The children people here don’t want to feed didn’t ask to come into the world

They live in America, or in the world we all live in, therefore we all should have an interest in making a half way decent life for as many as possible, because if we don’t it will eventually get back to us anyway, in the form of jails, crime, paying for the mentally ill, or any variety of social ills that always affect society negatively.

This is not socialism its social responsibility!


What is socialy responsible is to not breed children you can't afford to feed.

It's a pretty simple concept.


You're coming to this argument fairly late, please refer to the first four pages to find out about "simple concepts" and circumstances not in your control.



posted on Jun, 15 2011 @ 01:41 PM
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Looks to me like you turned this thread into a, "but it's for the children rant." The topic is a bit more complex then that. The Nannie state you desire so much is broke and can't afford to keep you on her tit any longer.


My comment was not even to you. Thread Nazi.



posted on Jun, 15 2011 @ 01:56 PM
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Originally posted by VAPatriot
reply to post by the owlbear
 


Looks to me like you turned this thread into a, "but it's for the children rant." The topic is a bit more complex then that. The Nannie state you desire so much is broke and can't afford to keep you on her tit any longer.


My comment was not even to you. Thread Nazi.


Okay, so I take it you like to keep it local too? How much did you give to your local food pantry to save an evil government program from having to help? Until then, stop complaining about nanny states!

BTW, since when did your "simple concept" suddenly become "more complex"? Your words...
edit on 15-6-2011 by the owlbear because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 15 2011 @ 02:13 PM
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Originally posted by the owlbear

Originally posted by macman

Originally posted by inforeal
That kid people here don’t want to feed or educate, I hope one day doesn’t commit a crime against you or your family.

The children people here don’t want to feed didn’t ask to come into the world

They live in America, or in the world we all live in, therefore we all should have an interest in making a half way decent life for as many as possible, because if we don’t it will eventually get back to us anyway, in the form of jails, crime, paying for the mentally ill, or any variety of social ills that always affect society negatively.

This is not socialism its social responsibility!


So because they grow up poor or without food or on Govt assistance they will become criminals?

Wow.

I also fail to see where it is my responsibility to not only provide for others, but to have the Fed Govt take from me to provide for others.



Will they grow up at all without food? No, they will die. Face it, you wish to starve kids to death because of your value system which values your pocketbook more than the well being of an innocent child. You can't escape that no matter how much the program might waste, it still feeds kids and could feed even more if greedy people like yourself weren't so concerned about "big government". At least that's what my unicorn tells me.


Nothing like stating you won't reply, reply not addressing what was stated, then retort again off of the original discussion.

But, ok, wait ever.
My value system is really not known to you, as you don't know me. You know nothing of me, my background nor what I do in regards to society. You have only your assumptions and knee jerk reactionary responses that I hate children and so on.
That's it really.
I present to you that your beloved, bloated and corrupt program is not only broken, it is requiring more and more money to continue being broken.
Yet, all you do is continue the gibberish banter of "feed the children, feed the children".
Sorry, but you are wrong. And I bet the Unicorn doesn't disagree with me, because even a fictional horse can see the error in your logic.

Also, funny how in another thread, La Raza screams that 90% of babies born to Latinos are on this same program, and how funding wants to be cut to said program.

Funny, it not only sounds like you are talking from both ends, it smells that way as well.


edit on 15-6-2011 by macman because: Info Correction.



posted on Jun, 15 2011 @ 02:29 PM
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That is exactly why I can complain about the Nanny state. I am reasonably sure that what I have done to help a person in need far exceeds anything you have. Your assumption that people opposed to the Government handouts has any correlation to their charity is way off base. You don't know me.

Families, friends and communities come together to help someone in need. They do it of their own free will. It is human nature.

What seem to you not understand is that forcing people to contribute to a Government program is not charity, it's robbery.

The simple concept is taking personal responsibility for oneself and their offspring.

What is more complex is that the Government is broke, It can not continue to give out to all the people who think their bad decisions are somehow everyone problems and that they are entitled to a handout funded by others by force. I find it especially ridiculous to fund illegals. All of the Government spending has to be cut drastically now.



posted on Jun, 15 2011 @ 02:34 PM
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Originally posted by bandito
If they can't afford a kid and can't take care of a kid then don't have a kid . Somewhere there has to be personal responsibility without the expectation that every tax payer is going to be the parent of someone elses kid . How about tracking down the fathers , if the mothers even know who they are . It's been a scam for decades . Keep popping kids and the welfare check gets bigger and then turn the kids loose on the streets .


you're right!...these men and women who bring a child into this world, without being able to afford them, should be put into some type of camp where they can be monitored, and the women should be given mandatory birth control until they are taught to be productive citizens.



posted on Jun, 15 2011 @ 02:43 PM
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Originally posted by macman

Originally posted by the owlbear

Originally posted by macman

Originally posted by inforeal
That kid people here don’t want to feed or educate, I hope one day doesn’t commit a crime against you or your family.

The children people here don’t want to feed didn’t ask to come into the world

They live in America, or in the world we all live in, therefore we all should have an interest in making a half way decent life for as many as possible, because if we don’t it will eventually get back to us anyway, in the form of jails, crime, paying for the mentally ill, or any variety of social ills that always affect society negatively.

This is not socialism its social responsibility!


So because they grow up poor or without food or on Govt assistance they will become criminals?

Wow.

I also fail to see where it is my responsibility to not only provide for others, but to have the Fed Govt take from me to provide for others.



Will they grow up at all without food? No, they will die. Face it, you wish to starve kids to death because of your value system which values your pocketbook more than the well being of an innocent child. You can't escape that no matter how much the program might waste, it still feeds kids and could feed even more if greedy people like yourself weren't so concerned about "big government". At least that's what my unicorn tells me.


Nothing like stating you won't reply, reply not addressing what was stated, then retort again off of the original discussion.

But, ok, wait ever.
My value system is really not known to you, as you don't know me. You know nothing of me, my background nor what I do in regards to society. You have only your assumptions and knee jerk reactionary responses that I hate children and so on.
That's it really.
I present to you that your beloved, bloated and corrupt program is not only broken, it is requiring more and more money to continue being broken.
Yet, all you do is continue the gibberish banter of "feed the children, feed the children".
Sorry, but you are wrong. And I bet the Unicorn doesn't disagree with me, because even a fictional horse can see the error in your logic.

Also, funny how in another thread, La Raza screams that 90% of babies born to Latinos are on this same program, and how funding wants to be cut to said program.

Funny, it not only sounds like you are talking from both ends, it smells that way as well.


edit on 15-6-2011 by macman because: Info Correction.


I simply used your own words against you. Don't like it tough. You're the one who is so greedy he can't fathom the thought of a little waste when a life might be saved by nurturing food. How much is a life worth? That smell isn't my excrement or my words it's the smell of your soul rotting from the inside you cheap bastard.



posted on Jun, 15 2011 @ 02:44 PM
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Originally posted by jimmyx

Originally posted by bandito
If they can't afford a kid and can't take care of a kid then don't have a kid . Somewhere there has to be personal responsibility without the expectation that every tax payer is going to be the parent of someone elses kid . How about tracking down the fathers , if the mothers even know who they are . It's been a scam for decades . Keep popping kids and the welfare check gets bigger and then turn the kids loose on the streets .


you're right!...these men and women who bring a child into this world, without being able to afford them, should be put into some type of camp where they can be monitored, and the women should be given mandatory birth control until they are taught to be productive citizens.


Nope, it is just very simple. Stop giving them funds to live. Require them to work like the rest of everyone else.



posted on Jun, 15 2011 @ 02:50 PM
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I simply used your own words against you. Don't like it tough. You're the one who is so greedy he can't fathom the thought of a little waste when a life might be saved by nurturing food. How much is a life worth? That smell isn't my excrement or my words it's the smell of your soul rotting from the inside you cheap bastard.





Wow, you sure show your true colors.
And your ignorance as well.
Never said people aren't worth MY charity, MY time, MY donation, MY help or MY effort.
I said that the broken Govt system is just that, broken yet wants more and more money to operate in the broken state.

And no, you did not use my words against me. You added nothing of value to your retort, nor did you come close to anything except "Macman hates kids, kills people, wants kids to die, is greedy and a cheap bastard".
The only thing left really is for you to call me a poo-poo head.


But I guess as long as you feel good about yourself, having obviously contributed greatly to society as a whole by responding with non-sense and paying your taxes to feed people, you should sleep better tonight.



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edit on 15-6-2011 by macman because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 15 2011 @ 02:55 PM
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Something has to be cut somewhere...if tobambi wont cut defense or cull back on the wars,then entitlement is about the only thing left....unless you want to cut out some Federal agencies,or infrastructure....Id be good with no more IRS or EPA for starters...then take a loook at food stamps



posted on Jun, 15 2011 @ 03:04 PM
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i got to laugh at this thread at its serious tone and yet another thread calling the gop women haters and baby killers.

i just did a thread a couple of days ago on government waste.

and like i said for every stupid government program they screw someone else out of money

www.abovetopsecret.com...

never mind exercising personal responsibility but some people just love to make other peoples problems mine.

i have had enough of it do what you want to with your money leave mine alone.

its a simple concept this country has gone to hell in a handbasket for rewarding failure

and the tap has run dry.
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posted on Jun, 15 2011 @ 04:29 PM
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Originally posted by macman




I simply used your own words against you. Don't like it tough. You're the one who is so greedy he can't fathom the thought of a little waste when a life might be saved by nurturing food. How much is a life worth? That smell isn't my excrement or my words it's the smell of your soul rotting from the inside you cheap bastard.





Wow, you sure show your true colors.
And your ignorance as well.
Never said people aren't worth MY charity, MY time, MY donation, MY help or MY effort.
I said that the broken Govt system is just that, broken yet wants more and more money to operate in the broken state.

And no, you did not use my words against me. You added nothing of value to your retort, nor did you come close to anything except "Macman hates kids, kills people, wants kids to die, is greedy and a cheap bastard".
The only thing left really is for you to call me a poo-poo head.


But I guess as long as you feel good about yourself, having obviously contributed greatly to society as a whole by responding with non-sense and paying your taxes to feed people, you should sleep better tonight.



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edit on 15-6-2011 by macman because: (no reason given)


What of value did you add? You called me a materialist for wanting to help those in need, strangely enough, then said you want to cut spending. I agreed with you that spending needs to be cut, but not at the expense of feeding disadvantaged children and that the Pentagon didn't need another 17 billion. Then I was called a bleeding heart and simply pointed out that I at least care for children. How this all denigrated into what it did is why this country is in trouble...we both can't do anything about it, yet we're acting like asses because of it. You will pay your taxes and money will go to things we don't like. I'll get up tomorrow and play with my kids and enjoy life regardless.



posted on Jun, 15 2011 @ 04:48 PM
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You live in the society and benefit from what it provides, don’t you? Like police, firemen, roads, bridges.

Therefore if the government decides to use tax money sometimes to aid its citizens when the society’s institutions fail them, then that is in the interest of all.

Do you complain that the government takes your money and use it to kill people overseas? Yet you complain when they use it to feed starving children.

Are you a human being?



posted on Jun, 15 2011 @ 04:54 PM
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Preamble to the Constitution:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.


Read the words: PROMOTE THE GENERAL WELFARE


People who live in the same society as you do will affect you eventually--positively or negatively, therefore it is in the interest of the government and the people in this society to make sure as much as possible that people have a decent life.

GENERAL WELFARE!



posted on Jun, 15 2011 @ 04:56 PM
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Originally posted by macman

Originally posted by jimmyx

Originally posted by bandito
If they can't afford a kid and can't take care of a kid then don't have a kid . Somewhere there has to be personal responsibility without the expectation that every tax payer is going to be the parent of someone elses kid . How about tracking down the fathers , if the mothers even know who they are . It's been a scam for decades . Keep popping kids and the welfare check gets bigger and then turn the kids loose on the streets .


Nope, it is just very simple. Stop giving them funds to live. Require them to work like the rest of everyone else.


you obviously do not have a clue what WIC is. this thread is about WIC which is not regular "welfare". it is a SUPPLEMENTAL program which gives families LESS THAN $100 in vouchers. NOT CASH. and some people DO work like everyone else and also receive WIC. so what ELSE should they do?







 
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