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Originally posted by ofhumandescent
And yes three days before 9/11 I saw a documentary on how big buildings are brought down in controlled demolitions without harming buildings standing right by and by chance as I was watching 9/11 that fateful morning, I thought to myself, geeeeeeeeeee that sure looks like a controlled demolition.
Nobody will be able to convince me that this was not a planned false flag operation carried out to manipulate the American People, give our government an excuse to invade Iraq.
The normal people going in and out of those buildings every day simply would not get up into the business of maintenance workers, especially up in elevator shafts and other areas off-limits to everyone else.
Next time you go into a building and see maintenance going on, get up in the workers' faces and demand to see exactly what they're doing and examine it all in detail yourself. That's right, you wouldn't do it either.
Originally posted by waypastvne
Originally posted by andy1972
It could be considered by some rather fishy that the only three steel framed buildings in the history of construction to collapse due to fire are WTC 1, WTC2 and WTC7. The Windsor hotel in Madrid burned intensely for 48 hours and it did'nt fall.
The Windsor hotel was a concrete core with a steel frame exterior. The core did not collapse. The exterior did.
This information should trigger a rational thought process in a normal human. What does it trigger in your brain Truther.
Originally posted by hooper
What about all the normal maintenance people? In buildings the size of the World Trade Center towers, they were legion. Don't think any of them would have gone "what the hell are they up to"? and "who the hell is that"? Not to mention the elevator folks.
Better yet, try this. Dress up like a maintenance worker and try sneaking into off limits areas and see if anyone says something like "who the hell are you and what are you doing near my power panels"? Actually, don't try that - you may end up in the back of a squad car.
Originally posted by jprophet420
You can know simply by reading a physics primer and watching the collapse. If you cant your IQ is < 100. No offense at all.
Originally posted by jprophet420
You directly accused me of calling you names which I did not and you accuse me of bait and switch, and you still didn't answer my questions. I answered yours. I explained it in detail.
Originally posted by bsbray11
Originally posted by hooper
What about all the normal maintenance people? In buildings the size of the World Trade Center towers, they were legion. Don't think any of them would have gone "what the hell are they up to"? and "who the hell is that"? Not to mention the elevator folks.
With as many people as there were constantly going through those buildings, I really doubt it would be anything unusual to see new faces doing construction/maintenance. But if they had all the proper clearance (from the security company being compromised), it would hardly matter whether anyone suspected anything or not, because they would be as legitimate as any other maintenance crew.
Originally posted by bsbray11
Again, not if you had the proper clearance. Permits, proper IDs, all of that. Do I have to remind you that the company in charge of security at the WTC is notorious for major security breaches in the past? Why don't you do some research for a change?
Originally posted by Six Sigma
This is pure rubbish. I was running a very large building (only 50+ storys) last year that looked down over the memorial at Ground Zero. I knew of EVERY vendor, contractor, inspector,etc that walked through my door. I knew ALL the inspectors by their first name.
Who gives a rats ass who has what clearance. All my contractors pass through Security prior to getting on an elevator. Stairwell access is ONLY on constrcution floors. If you are caught outside these zones you are FIRED ON THE SPOT!
Originally posted by bsbray11
Originally posted by Carseller4
How many people worked in the WTC?
Nobody noticed anything unusual?
Highly unlikely.
If the security company was compromised, it would be game over for anyone wanting to prevent the buildings from being covertly rigged.
The normal people going in and out of those buildings every day simply would not get up into the business of maintenance workers, especially up in elevator shafts and other areas off-limits to everyone else.
Next time you go into a building and see maintenance going on, get up in the workers' faces and demand to see exactly what they're doing and examine it all in detail yourself. That's right, you wouldn't do it either.
Originally posted by DrEugeneFixer
It's possible that my real name is Rumplestiltskin. Do you have any proof that it's not? No. Therefore the possibility must be considered, because it can't be ruled out.
For those who believe -- no explaination is necessary.
For those who do not believe -- no explaination will surfice.
Originally posted by bsbray11
And so would the security company at the WTC. But you have not, and cannot, rule out the possibility of corruption.
We are talking about a security company (Securacom/Stratesec) that has had famous high-level breaches in the past, leaking classified technology to China and etc., and was also running security at airports where "hijacked" planes were flying out on 9/11.
Next you will tell me that crime never happens I guess, because you are really running out of excuses.
And if you worked for the FBI or any other agency that investigates high-level crimes and corruptions, and I was your boss, I would fire you for being so naive.
The basement of 4 World Trade Center housed vaults used to store gold and silver bullion. Published articles about precious metals recovered from the World Trade Center ruins in the aftermath of the attack mention less than $300 million worth of gold. All such reports appear to refer to a removal operation conducted in late October of 2001. On Nov. 1, Mayor Rudolph Giuliani announced that "more than $230 million" worth of gold and silver bars that had been stored in a bomb-proof vault had been recovered. A New York Times article contained:
Two Brinks trucks were at ground zero on Wednesday to start hauling away the $200 million in gold and silver that the Bank of Nova Scotia had stored in a vault under the trade center ... A team of 30 firefighters and police officers are helping to move the metals, a task that can be measured practically down to the flake but that has been rounded off at 379,036 ounces of gold and 29,942,619 ounces of silver .. 1
Reports describing the contents of the vaults before the attack suggest that nearly $1 billion in precious metals was stored in the vaults. A figure of $650 million in a National Real Estate Investor article published after the attack is apparently based on pre-attack reports.
Unknown to most people at the time, $650 million in gold and silver was being kept in a special vault four floors beneath Four World Trade Center. 2
An article in the TimesOnline gives the following rundown of precious metals that were being stored in the WTC vault belonging to Comex. 3
Comex metals trading - 3,800 gold bars weighing 12 tonnes and worth more than $100 million
Comex clients - 800,000 ounces of gold with a value of about $220 million
Comex clients - 102 million ounces of silver, worth $430 million
Bank of Nova Scotia - $200 million of gold
The TimesOnline article is not clear as to whether the $200 million in gold reported by the Bank of Nova Scotia was part of the $220 million in gold held by Comex for clients. If so, the total is $750 million; otherwise $950 million.
There appear to be no reports of precious metals discovered between November of 2001 and the completion of excavation several months later. Assuming that the above reports described the value of precious metals in the vaulst before the attack, and that the $230 million mentioned by Giuliani represented the approxmiate value of metals recovered, it would seem that at least the better part of a billion dollars worth of precious metals went missing. (It is not plausible, of course, that whatever destroyed the towers vaporized gold and silver, which are dense, inert metals that are extremely unlikely to participate in chemical reactions with other materials.)
An article in The Sierra Times suggests that gold was recovered from two trucks in a tunnel under 5 World Trade Center, giving rise to suspicions that the trucks were being used to remove the gold from the vaults before the South Tower fell. 4 However, this report may have been based on an erroneous reading of other reports that describe the removal of crushed vehicles from a tunnel under 5 WTC in order to gain access to the vaults under 4 WTC to remove their contents. 5
Why is there this huge discrepancy between the value of gold and silver reported recovered, and the value reported to have been stored in the vaults? There are a number of possible explanations, from outright theft using the attack as cover, to insurance fraud. Until there is a genuine investigation that probes all the relevant facts and circumstances surrounding the attack, we can only speculate.
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References
1. Below Ground Zero, Silver and Gold, New York Times, 11/1/2001
2. Thanksgiving at Ground Zero, National Real Estate Investor, [cached]
3. Crushed towers give up cache of gold ingots, TimesOnline, 11/1/02 [cached]
4. Cache of Gold Found at WTC Two truckloads retrieved through a tunnel in rubble2, [cached]
5. , Reuters and New York Daily News, [cached]
Source: 911research.wtc7.net...
Originally posted by GoodOlDave
Originally posted by jprophet420
You can know simply by reading a physics primer and watching the collapse. If you cant your IQ is < 100. No offense at all.
A nonsensical response if I've ever heard one. Every video of the collapse shows the exact same thing- the buildings fell straight down, ergo the path of least resistance had to have been straight down- so to determine what caused the collapse we necessarily need to start there and reverse engineer our way backwards. This by itself points to the plane impacts causing more critical damage to the interior of the structure than your revisionist agenda permits you to acknowledge. If you're attempting to say physics primers will say anything otherwise then you are unrepentently lying through your teeth, my IQ notwithstanding.
You need to understand that I don't particularly care whether you think I'm a moron, whether you accuse me of going around kicking pregnant dogs, or whatever. All I care about is if you can show why anything I'm saying is incorrect, and your frequent reliance on personal insults when you run out of anything worthy to say tells me you know you're failing abysmally.
Originally posted by GoodOlDave
Originally posted by jprophet420
You directly accused me of calling you names which I did not and you accuse me of bait and switch, and you still didn't answer my questions. I answered yours. I explained it in detail.
What are you, ten years old? You said I was cherry picking my facts and this is the third time I'm asking you how I'm cherry picking my facts. All you did was come up with some nonsequitor drivel you made up about the path of least resistance on your own and how my IQ was < 100. This is the second time you keep weaseling out of having to answer tough questions (after that whole "Saddam Hussein not being behind 9/11" bit that blew up in your face), which is blatantly disingenuous behavior since you're claiming you're only representing the heroic efforts of the truthers interested in discovering the facts behind the events of 9/1. So far, all I've seen are the shady antics of a three card monty player who picks up his booth and runs away whenever the cops show up.
Loose Change documents the true purpose of the "False Flag" 9-11 attack on America, perhaps the greatest treasonous crime in modern history. Turns out is was also likely the biggest gold heist in history... crimes which are all quite familiar to the Bush Crime/CIA Family. Including bank & S&L bailout scams...