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You people do know that these "Aliens" or "UFOs" are in reality demonic spirits?

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posted on Jun, 14 2011 @ 11:26 AM
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With popular threads like this one, we can all rest assured that we won't be seeing any kind of disclosure about UFO's for a long, long time.




posted on Jun, 14 2011 @ 11:26 AM
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Originally posted by MysticWannabe

First of all, any claims that are made based upon any one religion are null and void as far as I am concerned. There is no evidence whatsoever to support the idea that ANY religion is correct. Major religions are perversions of original truth, distorted and molded as tools by which the elite power bases can subjugate and control the masses of uninformed, easily manipulated people.

As an open-minded skeptic, I decided to give Christianity a shot several years ago. I went to church regularly, read the Bible, and lived a life as free from "sin" as I possibly could. I earnestly prayed and sought for any sort of divine revelation that I could get. Over a year after this little experiment began, I came to the conclusion that religious beliefs are nothing more than brainwashing and self-delusion/hypnosis. I am not going to say that the various holy texts of the world are complete crap, because they are not. They all contain fragments of truth embedded in a foundation of man-made dogma.

I was forced to go to church as a child for a few years and all it did was scare me into 'believing' something that I would logically not believe in the first place. Christianity in particular is a big catch 22. The Bible teaches that through Jesus, all sins are forgiven. You can rape, steal, and even murder, but if you repent and accept Jesus as your savior, all is forgiven. But let us not forget that the one UNFORGIVABLE sin is to deny the existence of God... so in other words, Christianity is a trap. A snare. It operates on fear to keep people faithful and in line. As Richard Dawkins eloquently put it: "The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully."


I have a tight firm grip on an oar in this boat. Are you sure you are not me posting under a pseudonym or alias? Word for word this describes my schism...



posted on Jun, 14 2011 @ 11:26 AM
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Facepalm.

Yea cause a fictional book called the bible is "evidence" of anything. So tired of religious fanatics who state their no-hard-evidence beliefs as fact. This thread is so fail and has no place in the aliens and ufo forum. Throw it in the junk bin that is the religious forums.
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posted on Jun, 14 2011 @ 11:33 AM
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If you can prove beyond reasonable doubt that "demons" exist, I may consider your opinion as fact....



posted on Jun, 14 2011 @ 11:33 AM
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I think when you run around calling UFOs demons, you're the one bringing religion into it...



posted on Jun, 14 2011 @ 11:36 AM
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Sigh. This is a classic case of en.wikipedia.org... it had nothing to do with "aliens" or "demons" and everything to do with your mind. And I can confidently state this because I suffered from sleep paralysis/night terrors/hallucinations for many years. I experienced many identical experiences and things that would be called "alien abductions" to people who are not knowledgeable in this area. The only reason "praying" or "naming jesus" works sometimes to dispel these waking dreams is because 1) you are stirring your conscious mind to do said activities and thus "waking up" the proper parts of your brain enough for the hallucination to end and or 2) the belief you have in said things protecting you is allowing you to dispel the hallucination because you think it will dispel the hallucination.
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posted on Jun, 14 2011 @ 11:37 AM
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Originally posted by Lost_Mind

Originally posted by MysticWannabe

First of all, any claims that are made based upon any one religion are null and void as far as I am concerned. There is no evidence whatsoever to support the idea that ANY religion is correct. Major religions are perversions of original truth, distorted and molded as tools by which the elite power bases can subjugate and control the masses of uninformed, easily manipulated people.

As an open-minded skeptic, I decided to give Christianity a shot several years ago. I went to church regularly, read the Bible, and lived a life as free from "sin" as I possibly could. I earnestly prayed and sought for any sort of divine revelation that I could get. Over a year after this little experiment began, I came to the conclusion that religious beliefs are nothing more than brainwashing and self-delusion/hypnosis. I am not going to say that the various holy texts of the world are complete crap, because they are not. They all contain fragments of truth embedded in a foundation of man-made dogma.

I was forced to go to church as a child for a few years and all it did was scare me into 'believing' something that I would logically not believe in the first place. Christianity in particular is a big catch 22. The Bible teaches that through Jesus, all sins are forgiven. You can rape, steal, and even murder, but if you repent and accept Jesus as your savior, all is forgiven. But let us not forget that the one UNFORGIVABLE sin is to deny the existence of God... so in other words, Christianity is a trap. A snare. It operates on fear to keep people faithful and in line. As Richard Dawkins eloquently put it: "The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully."


I have a tight firm grip on an oar in this boat. Are you sure you are not me posting under a pseudonym or alias? Word for word this describes my schism...


I'm glad at least a couple people here on ATS are capable of rational thought.

I am not randomly knocking Christianity. I've been there and done that. Lived the lifestyle. Abstained from sex and everything. I asked God dozens of times a day to give me any tiny little sign to lead me to believe that any of it is real. I never received any sort of answer from my invisible sky friend. (Not surprisingly.) I have since broken out of those chains of fear and repression.

I am led to believe through my personal research (which isn't based on YouTube videos and conspiracy forums) that extraterrestrials are responsible for human life, and that religious texts are FULL of examples of contact with ET's. There's just so much evidence out there that seems silly when looked at from a religious standpoint, but when you shift the focus to the possibility of extraterrestrial intervention, it makes sooo much more sense, and can even go a long way towards reconciling the differences between religions, history, and shared knowledge by ancient man. I am sure there's other threads on this sort of topic, and I am feeling too lazy right now to really get into it.

I am a historian and researcher by trade, not some amateur with an internet connection. I sometimes wonder if there isn't a full time staff of disinformation agents that are paid to write bogus crap in forums like these.

To anyone reading - if you do not have personal, first-hand experience with either what you perceive to be ET's or ED's, do not further harebrained theories cooked up by someone else. It's academically dishonest.



posted on Jun, 14 2011 @ 11:40 AM
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I'm sorry OP, I cannot say whether or not UFO's are demonic entities, because I simply don't know.

But what I do know is that the videos that you have posted in the OP are bunk. The person that made them seems to be fixated on the baloon video. Because that's what they are. White balloons, anyone can see that. At one point he cuts from the white balloons into a shot of someone filming a bunch of trees through a window, while someone else reflects a torch on the inside of the glass.

..and then back to more shots of balloons multiple times through the video. These images do not help your argument at all. Infact, they only weaken it.
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posted on Jun, 14 2011 @ 11:41 AM
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Originally posted by AliceDiggory
It would make sense that 'the greys' are demons. I have heard if you pray to God they will leave you alone and stop coming around for years or for good. I think that there are at least two types of aliens- 'the greys' and ones that want to help or they just come to Earth just to watch us. Ezekiel I believe met Aliens trying to help us, not 'the greys'.


That is simply not true and is another Christian fueled myth that's been making the rounds...fact is that of the aliens that "run" when they hear the name Jesus there is a very simple explanation: if you want the ignorant tribesman to maintain their belief system, you'll play along. There are at least as many or more accounts where people have prayed or used Jesus' name and the alien either laughed, ignored it and continued to work or became aggitated like a parent would with an unruly child -- but they don't leave.



posted on Jun, 14 2011 @ 11:42 AM
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UFOs confined to the religious box.
Sure thats another ploy because its too difficult to find the Tesla UFO box.
People will find their answers and live a happy life but does not mean any truth was found.
I might add that we may find a bundle of conspiracies and truth boxes on the net.
Usually one solid spokesman appears and a group of similar sounding ideas show up
in the Google searches that can take off into strange ideas or tend to dismiss the truth.



posted on Jun, 14 2011 @ 11:44 AM
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ok, video 2:

Jordan discussing the alien encounter...then goes on and lets some guy talk for ages about nothing in particular (supposed occult society).

Here is a interesting tidbit...seems to request help and guidance from these so called demons, you basically get help (ask and ye shall recieve? hmm...).

Then he points out to famous people and their quotes of how they asked these horrible evil spirits for help, and they did indeed help them.
One story is Lady Gaga...goes on about how she was almost near a drug induced death...totally junked out, fallen type person...she then "met" the spirit of her fathers sister whom helped her get clean, pick herself up, and go on to become famous and a inspiration.
incidently, sidenote fun fact...Gaga is over in japan now raising money and awareness to help out those japanese

(Judge by the fruit of the tree).

So, if we use the messages of the bible, what he is proving is exactly opposite so far to what he is claiming. these evil demons are rescueing fallen people of society, bringing them up to help out those in need...allowing for tolerance and love, and self empowerment through faith in oneself and something higher.

Ya...ok, so I am sure in part 3, the horrible demon will be shown...you know...jeff dalmer, manson, etc...surely there has to be -something- that proves the evilness of these "spirits".

incidently...his comparison between the spiritual encounter of this guy verses the alien encounter was absolutely non-existant...nothing whatsoever beyond the most trivial of aspects..but..I digress, lets say the connection was that they both happened on earth...whatever...moving on to vid 3 now.

(if anything, this is propaganda to promote spiritualism)



posted on Jun, 14 2011 @ 11:44 AM
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Originally posted by SaturnFX
Anyhow, occam's razor supports the concept of alien intelligence and civilization. mathmatically it would be near impossible for us to be alone...actually, if this was an empty universe, I would quickly be converted into a deity believing religion, as only a god could account for all the results except 1 being the same.


Occam's Razor does support alien civilizations, but it does not support the idea that said alien civilizations live in such proximity to interact with us.



posted on Jun, 14 2011 @ 11:45 AM
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This thread and the amount of flags it has just goes to show that there are indeed Christians who are coming to this site......

There minds still seem somewhat closed ..... but given enough time and information they will see the fallacies of what this thread is saying and many others like it.

Also...OP please don't say you are not religious then go on to write this silly thread.... makes NO sense ...



posted on Jun, 14 2011 @ 11:55 AM
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Originally posted by WolfofWar

Originally posted by SaturnFX
Anyhow, occam's razor supports the concept of alien intelligence and civilization. mathmatically it would be near impossible for us to be alone...actually, if this was an empty universe, I would quickly be converted into a deity believing religion, as only a god could account for all the results except 1 being the same.


Occam's Razor does support alien civilizations, but it does not support the idea that said alien civilizations live in such proximity to interact with us.



No, but then we should employ some very rational and normal thinking about progressive technology.
the quick use of moores law (I think personally it is very conservative in its estimates) is that there are millions upon millions of wildly different civilizations throughout the -known- universe already..

Some of these civs have made it out to space
Some of them have visited nearby star systems with advancements in propulsion.

Using our science based hypothesis's, and even some that now qualify as theory, FTL travel (ok, not faster than...but by use of entanglement principles...aka, teleportation or "stargates") is not out of the question, even by our short term technological progress...and since we are admittedly monkeys smacking sticks against rocks in regards to our technological progression (in reality, we only have about 300 years worth of technology), its not unreasonable to assume travel from one star to the next is probably easily done by multiple methods.

If, out of the millions, if not billions of races throughout the universe..just a single one of those races have become technologically advanced enough to travel around, then that sets all the equasions into the dustbin...colonization and spreading out is the key to all life...and the second one spreads out, it will perpetuate indefinately...giving other civilizations technology (through gifts or back engineering war)...

this is not some serious leaps of faith, this is just a overall broad picture..like seeing a tree in the middle of a rich soiled area...and speculating that, if given time, more tree's will sprout around it and eventually fill the valley or whatnot with those trees....or working back to see a forest and realize it may have come long ago from just a single seed dropped from elsewhere and a forest grew in its place.

spirits and stuff...well, thats paranormal, therefore nothing can be remarked about it..but a thriving galactic and universal community...well, to me, that simply makes sense. I have never been to africa, but if the television other forms of world communication didn't exist, I could assume based on some simple logic that there are probably lifeforms over there also due to the nature of the planet.
I can then speculate, using general logic, that the universe is more than likely filled with advanced space travelling civilizations...
And one thing explorers do, is investigate other places...either in person, or through probes.



posted on Jun, 14 2011 @ 11:56 AM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by draknoir2

Originally posted by FlyersFan
who fail to understand the fact that there are both aliens and demons.
COMMON SENSE ... SCIENCE PROVES IT ... Both aliens and demons exist.

When exactly did science prove the existence of either?


To start with (you won't have to go much further than this)
- The Drake Equation. Google it. Proves we are not alone.
- Energy doesn't die. It changes form. Life forces change form.



I looked up (The Drake Equation)...it makes sense.......I personally know that demons exist in the spiritual realm and that life forms from other planets exist too; but they are not in the spiritual realm...they are separate....and not the same at all.

For anyone interested in (The Drake Equation) here are some links::

www.fennzart.com...

www.astrobio.net...



posted on Jun, 14 2011 @ 11:56 AM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by draknoir2

Originally posted by FlyersFan
who fail to understand the fact that there are both aliens and demons.
COMMON SENSE ... SCIENCE PROVES IT ... Both aliens and demons exist.

When exactly did science prove the existence of either?


To start with (you won't have to go much further than this)
- The Drake Equation. Google it. Proves we are not alone.
- Energy doesn't die. It changes form. Life forces change form.



I looked up (The Drake Equation)...it makes sense.......I personally know that demons exist in the spiritual realm and that life forms from other planets exist too; but they are not in the spiritual realm...they are separate....and not the same at all.

For anyone interested in (The Drake Equation) here are some links::

www.fennzart.com...

www.astrobio.net...



posted on Jun, 14 2011 @ 12:01 PM
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So speculative belief that another life form is capable of creating a means of travel is foolishness
but speculative belief in interdimensional beings that can travel between dimensions is not foolishness?



posted on Jun, 14 2011 @ 12:02 PM
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Well I have more than 7 years research experience on this topic and you simply wrong. demons are the spirits from the giants of genesis chapter 6 verse 3.

Aliens Are simply the fallen angels. NOT DEMONS. You have much to learn 2 years is nothing...



posted on Jun, 14 2011 @ 12:02 PM
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Can we just call it ALL good and bad / positive or negative ENERGY w/ aware intelligence.... Um just sayen



posted on Jun, 14 2011 @ 12:03 PM
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I remember Xendrius and his videos as well as the whole hypothesis of aliens/UFOs being demonic. I stumbled upon this idea a few years ago and it did seem to be an attractive idea at the time but after getting deeper into the matter I concluded that it was nothing more than disguised religious propaganda. Contrary to the OP and Hynek I was somewhat religious at the time but my research journey lead me away from religion and this hypothesis.

I listened to almost every tape of John Todd numerous times, watched Roger Morneau and his testimony of demonic activity, looked into various alien abduction testimonies, the disclosure project and a lot more and my conclusion is that it is a carefully constructed propaganda to scare humans back to religion and fear.

Someone who was closing in on this was Rik Clay but he died a few years ago. His findings and theory are interesting.

The origin of this theory appears to be religious and I learned from experience that if something promotes fear, weakness and has religious origins, then it is nothing more than business as usual for the religious institutions. Anything that gives them credibility, power and money should raise alarms immediately to the individual who wants to be respected even by themselves.




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