Why Christianity Doesn't make sense to me

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posted on Aug, 7 2004 @ 08:13 PM
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Christianity doesn't work for me for many reasons but the one particular reason is the following:

if there is a perfectly good atheist, who has a perfect life he does nothing bad, he won't go to heaven

but a mass murderer who beggs forgiveness, by saying hail-mary's or whatever, can go to heaven; even though he was a horrible person and may still be a horrible person

please help me out if i am wrong, this is what my friendas paster said to him after he asked his paster about the above.
thx for any help

[edit on 7-8-2004 by junior_smith]




posted on Aug, 7 2004 @ 08:20 PM
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That's all BS! There are going to be some surprised people come the end times! It's what's in ones heart...this garbage about you must do this and you must do that by the church is just that...love and kindness, being a good person, is the name of the game...not following a church.....again, remember, the man Jesus, had no idea of starting a religion and Christianity wasn't started till after his death.



posted on Aug, 7 2004 @ 08:23 PM
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We Christians believe that the bible is the word of God. The bible doesnt say that good people will go to heaven. It says that people that accept Jesus as their lord and savior will go to heaven. So your statement is true and shows the compassion god has for man, all you need to do is believe, accept and trust in him and all shall be forgiven.



posted on Aug, 7 2004 @ 08:24 PM
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Christianity is all about Christ dying so the people who believe in Him get eternal salvation. Begging for forgiveness wont always work because Christ knows what is truely in your heart no matter how much you begg. If you don't believe in Him then that makes you one of the people He didn't die for so you don't get eternal salvation and trust me its impossible not to commit a sin so there is no such thing as a perfect atheist.

You seem like a nice person Junior_Smith thanks for bringing this up politely not like some other people.

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posted on Aug, 7 2004 @ 08:25 PM
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exactly that is how i would be a christian, not in a church but in your heart.

i also have another christian story:

a few priests and pasters to whom i have talked to say that faith is how you believe christ. and a religion is how you are taught to believe christ. and these same people that christianity is a faith not a religion.

so if it is a faith then how can it be taught if it is how you personally perceive christ. and they say that they might believe the same as their paster, so they have faith together, bu then that becomes religion for me.

i dunno i'm just gonna become a buddhist or taoist, they answer more questions for me



posted on Aug, 7 2004 @ 08:37 PM
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Originally posted by junior_smith
Christianity doesn't work for me for many reasons but the one particular reason is the following:

if there is a perfectly good atheist, who has a perfect life he does nothing bad, he won't go to heaven

but a mass murderer who beggs forgiveness, by saying hail-mary's or whatever, can go to heaven; even though he was a horrible person and may still be a horrible person

please help me out if i am wrong, this is what my friendas paster said to him after he asked his paster about the above.
thx for any help

[edit on 7-8-2004 by junior_smith]


Okay, due to the Hail Mary part I will assume Catholic as oppossed to just generic Christian here.

From that perspective, the atheist must reject God in the end. Even after death, it is possible that at the last moment the person does not reject God, (upon actually seeing Him) it is possible he will not be condemned for eternity. He probably will have to make a stopover in purgatory, but ulitmately, he is not necc. barred from heaven.

On the other hand, God is a God of great mercy. A person must be truly repentant to receive this mercy, but again, will unlikely go directly to heaven, as sins that are forgiven, may still require the stain of sin to be purified prior to entering heaven. So you see it is possible that in both instances they could actually have the same outcome.

Of course, I am presenting this from my perspective which assumes a belief in the first place of such things. As for other posters who just flat our tell you it is all bunk, well, that is their opinion and connot be considered fact anymore than what I present. You must first determine if you belive in God in the first place, then determine if Christianity is true for you or not.

But you certainly must educate yourself about it and I don't think people answering questions like this with denials of others beliefs really accomplish much along those lines. My advice, my opinion.



posted on Aug, 7 2004 @ 08:40 PM
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Originally posted by junior_smith
exactly that is how i would be a christian, not in a church but in your heart.

i also have another christian story:

a few priests and pasters to whom i have talked to say that faith is how you believe christ. and a religion is how you are taught to believe christ. and these same people that christianity is a faith not a religion.

so if it is a faith then how can it be taught if it is how you personally perceive christ. and they say that they might believe the same as their paster, so they have faith together, bu then that becomes religion for me.

i dunno i'm just gonna become a buddhist or taoist, they answer more questions for me


Putting it that way anything can be a religion. My parents taught me how to have faith so i guess that makes me, my father and mother part of our own religion since we believe the same way.

This is how i see it. Christianty is believing in Christ in general, while Catholics, Christians, Protestants, etc are the different ways of belivieng in Christ.



posted on Aug, 7 2004 @ 08:52 PM
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yeah...i have often wondered the same thing....

I also want to know how a "VIRGIN" has a child? Virgin Mary was the mother of Jesus...How does that work? She's a virgin...I don't know about all of you but I don't know many virgins who have kids. This is made me wonder for many years how anyone can believe what the Bible says. when it has a Virgin Mary having a child.

Always made me wonder???.....



posted on Aug, 7 2004 @ 08:59 PM
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Originally posted by HombreConUnPollo
yeah...i have often wondered the same thing....

I also want to know how a "VIRGIN" has a child? Virgin Mary was the mother of Jesus...How does that work? She's a virgin...I don't know about all of you but I don't know many virgins who have kids. This is made me wonder for many years how anyone can believe what the Bible says. when it has a Virgin Mary having a child.

Always made me wonder???.....


By the power of the Holy Spirit. You of course have to believe that, but you will never reconcile these types of questions without some sort of understanding and belief of these things and the possibility that God can do anything so what is this to Him to create a virgin birth in something he created in the first place.



posted on Aug, 7 2004 @ 09:18 PM
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Christainity does not make sense to me either but I will not belittle anyone elses religion be they Christian or otherwise.

They have a right to there beliefs the same as I do.

Just dont come knocking on my door at 9am on saturday



posted on Aug, 7 2004 @ 11:16 PM
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I am not a religious believer but I think that religion make a lot of sense to a lot of people. I am happy with my personal beliefs and they make sense to me.

Maybe you are just confused.


Some live a happy life with not beliefs at all others find salvation and redemption when they find something to believe in and that can be even a criminal and non believers in my eyes not necessarily means they are condemn everything comes to the way you see and interpret things.



posted on Aug, 8 2004 @ 05:41 AM
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Originally posted by Amuk

Just dont come knocking on my door at 9am on saturday


And on that one I am with you 100%.


As for those people who knock on your door, if you tell them you are Roman Catholic the usually flee rather quickly. Apparently they believe we are the devil.



posted on Aug, 8 2004 @ 06:05 AM
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Relentless

Most dont get past my rottwiller

Hes not a big believer either.....



posted on Aug, 8 2004 @ 06:36 AM
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Originally posted by Amuk
Relentless

Most dont get past my rottwiller

Hes not a big believer either.....


Oh yes, used to have a German Shep myself, but it was much more fun to convince them the dog was not going to harm them so I could give them the big scare, that they had knocked on the devils door.
Oh and the using the kids as the front men, (which happened more so than not) really was just too much. I have no respect for that.



posted on Aug, 8 2004 @ 07:28 AM
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I was raised in Catholicism, they believe in the trinity, call it what you like. Catechism(sp?) was a nightmare and definitely fear based. I have read and researched many religions and it seems they all have some common thread, Love one another, don't harm anyone..etc..I am multireligious, if there is such a thing. I take what makes sense from all religions, the good things. Many great prophets and godlike people, Jesus, Buddha, Mohammed, just to name a few. Any fear based beliefs I disreguard since God, Great Spirit, The Alpha Omega, whatever you choose to call him/her, they, is loving and doesn't want to see human distruction. The Jehovah Witnesses are a "strange" group for sure, and I was part of them for three years, they helped me over some rough moments in my life and I thank them, without them where would I be right now, who knows? I left that religion cause they do demand way to much of you and they believe that the man, husband is ruler, that is what threw me over the edge. As the bible state, we are all created equal. No color or race or ethnicity is above any of the others. Can't we all just get along. Love makes the world go 'round. All you need is Love. Without it we are a lost planet. God help us all.



posted on Aug, 8 2004 @ 08:08 AM
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About the fear thing that everyone seems to object to so often, on looking back, I do not think that came from the religion I was raised with but rather from my parents and the nuns they entrusted us to
(yeah, catholic grammar school). I can't really blame them, they really thought it was for the best and they were terrified for us, so many dangers out there in the world.

It wasn't till I was 40 I decided to research this faith I was raised in and was amazed to find out I didn't have a clue about it at all. I do not see it as fear based now, as I see there are many merits to it, many truths I was never exposed to and many benefits of practicing my faith. (I did actually confront my parents at one point, that they had failed me in this regard and they were very sad and sorry about the whole thing. They did the best they could, they were kids. They didn't realize that we weren't getting the whole picture.) Ultimately though, once I was an adult it was my responsiblity to find the truth, and I cannot blame anyone for me missing out on that if I chose to take no responsibility for really looking at it myself.



posted on Aug, 8 2004 @ 08:27 AM
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Parental fear makes alot of sense, I know that was the reason I dragged my kids along to the Jehoval Witness meetings that lasted for hours. Our parents were raised Roman Catholics, that was all they knew. Now we can do research and find our own way, that is the wonder of free will, we don't have to conform to any one religion. You don't have to fear that you will burn in the fiery pit if you sinned or go to Limbo if you are not baptised. Religion to me is sensationalized, they are all about being better than the next, I can't believe that people show up once a week and are saved. This allows them to do whatever the heck they want all week and then it all goes away on one visit to the good ol' church on Sunday. Shouldn't one live daily in the ways of God and Jesus?



posted on Aug, 8 2004 @ 08:44 AM
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Originally posted by TM62
I can't believe that people show up once a week and are saved. This allows them to do whatever the heck they want all week and then it all goes away on one visit to the good ol' church on Sunday. Shouldn't one live daily in the ways of God and Jesus?


Another good point reagrding the fact that it is often the people, not the religion that is the problem. I don't think any of them think you can really just get away with that (going to Church once a week and that is enough), though there are some people who subscribe to just that.

I go to Church because "Remember the Sabbath & keep it Holy" makes a lot of sense to me. For all I have been given, not the least of which is life, is it too much to ask that I devote some time to just Him at LEAST once a week?

My husband was raised in one of the Protestant faiths that don't see weekly church attendance as a requirement. I view this kind of along the lines of the following.

You got a dad who gave you everything, loved you so much it hurts and you never say thanks, never stop by to say hi, just basically take him for granted until you need something. Well, you show up at the end to collect your inheritance and do you really deserve it? Yeah, you might get it anyway (the prodigal son thing), but if he gives it to someone else, can you blame him? Just some thoughts of mine.

By the way, though I don't understand why he doesn't get this, neither do I insist he go to church, even though I know if I did he would do it for me, but that isn't the right reason to be dragging him along.



posted on Aug, 8 2004 @ 08:49 AM
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Because I was brought up with two different religions, (I was in church most of the time) my brothers and me used to hate it. However, I developed a desire to learn about the beginnings of religions and I enjoy it.

I gave my children the freedom of believing whatever it fit to them to believe, I never stopped them from wanting to go to a church when they were children with their friends and now that they are old enough they understand why I did that and they are grateful of the freedom about religion I gave them. I told them to be afraid of nothing and to only take responsibilities for their actions without blaming anybody else.

So far both of them are good citizens and even their very religious friend respect their point of view and like them just the way they are.


Yes I remember when they were very young how the manipulation about salvation got to them, other children will tell them that if they did not got to church they were going to hell, but I am glad that they saw it at it was just manipulation.


Some people in order to justify their good decisions need to believe in a higher force and that is fine if it works for them, but I believe that we alone are the ones that have the capabilities to differentiate good from bad and it is only one thing I can not stand when somebody blame the devil or Satan for mistakes they commit, the favorite around were I live is (the devil made me) or (the devil made me sin) I dont believe that bs.

Instead, they should take responsibilities and admit that they made a mistake.



posted on Aug, 8 2004 @ 09:08 AM
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Definitely Marg, I believe that one. People should be responsible for their actions. Many don't, they find someone else to blame it on and they are absolved. What a crock. Even commercialism is influencing people to blame someone else. Look at all the weight loss commercials. We can help you we know stress and everyday life places weight where you least want it, oh come on give me a break. What about the one for anti-depression? Can't get to sleep at night, rough day at work, here-call us we will send you free pills. Terrific! Those are not verbatim, but I am sure you get my drift. It's all about someone else taking the wrap. Crazyness. Sorry didn't mean to rant there.





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