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Why is religion Failing?

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posted on Aug, 7 2004 @ 07:51 PM
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Why is Religion Failing?


is it because the world is becoming more and more divided?

is it because of democracy and people are not told in what to believe?

is it because of the world failing, and if so why is the world failing?




posted on Aug, 7 2004 @ 07:57 PM
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Exactly what do you mean by that?

What makes you think religion is failing?

Only asking cause I would find it hard to respond since I really am not sure what you are referring to. Can you elaborate?



posted on Aug, 7 2004 @ 07:58 PM
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I would say its the world failing. Bible said a long time ago that towards the end ***** it would be like the days of noah. people eating drinking and being merry and turing their backs on God.

ps that wasn't a dire t quote, but it somes it up.



posted on Aug, 7 2004 @ 08:05 PM
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Several reasons I think. For one...we are more knowledgeable people than we once were, we now have architectural diggings finding more and more of earths ancient past that doesn't always prove out the biblical writing...older dated objects ect...also, may people are tired of hearing..."I'm a Christian" and then seeing these same people going into an x rated shop, cheating on an SO, cheating taxes....the list goes on and on...and then hearing again about how they aren't perfect, just forgiven crap....



posted on Aug, 7 2004 @ 08:10 PM
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Okay, I asked my question because I don't necc buy that it is failing.

Obviously, even without clarification, there are quite a few who do, but i would still like to see your explanation of what you consider "religion failing".

Thanks.



posted on Aug, 7 2004 @ 08:20 PM
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i wouldn't say failing per say, it is probably a poor choice of words, but if you look at the number of christians compared to the past 50 years it has gone down dramatically,

and people's beliefs in the past 200 years have become more spread out, 200 years ago there were (arguably) no beliefs in aliens, and there wasn;t new-age ideals.

i guess what i mean is that religion is not what it used to be, the way it is enforced like it was (except in certain areas).

and that with science, religion is becoming a way of answering questions that were not previously answerable.

i'm probably stil too vague sorry lol



posted on Aug, 7 2004 @ 08:43 PM
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is not failing it has already failed it has failed since the start its never had done anything good but brainwash every one. thnx to religion we got wars, hate over different groups of people instead of bring us together its making us kill our selves and thnx to what? To a bunch of priests , pastors or what ever you want to call them that the only thing that they have in mind its to get more power and to get richer. So if you think about it is not failing its just that people are that ignorant anymore even though we have a lot of things lo learn at least we are not falling into their bull# anymore because people are more knowledgeable now days. An exaple of this bull# that am talking about is hell what is up with that good idea for them though thnx to that imaginary place religion still in business so lets take them about of business HELL DOSENT IS NOT REAL so you dont have to go to church anymore wow =) isnt that nice if you want to practice your spiritual belives no better way that doing it at home your own way that with a bunch of hypocrites



posted on Aug, 7 2004 @ 08:51 PM
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Originally posted by Arturito
An exaple of this bull# that am talking about is hell what is up with that good idea for them though thnx to that imaginary place religion still in business so lets take them about of business HELL DOSENT IS NOT REAL


Any you know this as fact? And you know this because? And if you are wrong?

Honestly, if I believe in hell and I am wrong, what harm has come to me? If you deny hell and are wrong, well what then?
Pretty big oops in my opinion, eternal mistake maybe?



posted on Aug, 7 2004 @ 08:54 PM
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Originally posted by Arturito
thnx to religion we got wars, hate over different groups of people instead of bring us together its making us kill our selves and thnx to what? To a bunch of priests , pastors or what ever you want to call them that the only thing that they have in mind its to get more power and to get richer.


So is it the words in the bible that cause wars or the perversion of those words by some that cause wars. The bible teaches love not hate. Some people use the bible and twist its words to gain support for their radical cause or for financial gain. The problem isnt whats written in the bible its how some people choose to distort it.



posted on Aug, 7 2004 @ 08:55 PM
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Originally posted by junior_smith
i wouldn't say failing per say, it is probably a poor choice of words, but if you look at the number of christians compared to the past 50 years it has gone down dramatically,

i'm probably stil too vague sorry lol


Getting back to the question, if religion is real, it is not religion that is failing , it is man. Think about it. It has existed for 1000's of years, if that is suddenly changing in the past 50 years, it is not God/Religion that has changed, I assure you, it is us.



posted on Aug, 7 2004 @ 08:56 PM
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more and more people are starting to wake up from the "matrix" of organised religion and realise theres more to this universe than what was written thousands of years ago. personally i think the downfall of religion is a good thing for society since people are now thinking for themselves and are making up thier own damn minds about god, our purpose, good and evil, ect.



posted on Aug, 7 2004 @ 08:57 PM
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Originally posted by Relentless
Honestly, if I believe in hell and I am wrong, what harm has come to me? If you deny hell and are wrong, well what then?
Pretty big oops in my opinion, eternal mistake maybe?




What if you believe in the wrong hell though?

What if the Buddists or Hindus or Muslims or Hare Krishners or any one of the dozens if not hundreds of other religions are right? I am sure that most of them are just as sincere in there beliefs as you are



posted on Aug, 7 2004 @ 09:00 PM
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Originally posted by Amuk

Originally posted by Relentless
Honestly, if I believe in hell and I am wrong, what harm has come to me? If you deny hell and are wrong, well what then?
Pretty big oops in my opinion, eternal mistake maybe?




Actually hell... Hades translate to "grave"....meaning if you are not a good person you stay in the grave...you do not reincarnate to live "live on"



posted on Aug, 7 2004 @ 09:01 PM
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Everyone keeps saying how Christianity and its believers are diminishing. I disagree. My church is seeing huge increases in followers. The community is growing by leaps and bounds. As a matter of fact we are rebuilding the church to accommodate the increase and it already seats over 1000 people.



posted on Aug, 7 2004 @ 09:02 PM
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Originally posted by Amuk
What if you believe in the wrong hell though?

What if the Buddists or Hindus or Muslims or Hare Krishners or any one of the dozens if not hundreds of other religions are right? I am sure that most of them are just as sincere in there beliefs as you are


Well, geez, there are other hells? Are they really so different that if I believe in the version I know that I could miss out on eternity for it?

Please elaborate on this one.



posted on Aug, 7 2004 @ 09:08 PM
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Personaly I don't care if religion falls or grows or anything because I already have my beliefs in place. So what more do I need?



posted on Aug, 7 2004 @ 09:10 PM
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Originally posted by Relentless

Well, geez, there are other hells? Are they really so different that if I believe in the version I know that I could miss out on eternity for it?

Please elaborate on this one.


No according to most religions there is only THEIR version, if you chose the wrong one you are screwed.I personaly dont what religion you believe in but chances are that if it is an orginzed religion they believe EVERY other religion is wrong.

I have even heard some christian churchs say that the other churchs were wrong and doomed to hell

So how do you choose?



posted on Aug, 7 2004 @ 09:20 PM
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Originally posted by Amuk

No according to most religions there is only THEIR version, if you chose the wrong one you are screwed.I personaly dont what religion you believe in but chances are that if it is an orginzed religion they believe EVERY other religion is wrong.

I have even heard some christian churchs say that the other churchs were wrong and doomed to hell

So how do you choose?


Well, I am Catholic, and we do not subscribe to that philosphy that we are the only ones getting into heaven bit. This is something that many Catholic offshoots calling themselves christian came up with. In fact a lot of them say I'm not making it either.



posted on Aug, 7 2004 @ 09:23 PM
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Originally posted by Relentless
Well, I am Catholic, and we do not subscribe to that philosphy that we are the only ones getting into heaven bit. This is something that many Catholic offshoots calling themselves christian came up with. In fact a lot of them say I'm not making it either.


Then you have a better outlook than most


I do not believe in any religion, I just dont know.

I have had a near death experience though so I do believe we go on after this life I just dont know where.

And the truth be known nobody else does either



posted on Aug, 7 2004 @ 09:24 PM
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My 2c worth.

I believe that this discussion would have been better served if it had originated from the premise of "what is the purpose of religion", then when that part haqd been sorted out, we'd be more informed as to whether or not religion is failing.

But I guess there would be little consensus of opinion anyway - on the purpose of religion!



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