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What Exactly Do You Mean When You Label Someone As A "Homophobe"?

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posted on Jun, 14 2011 @ 12:25 AM
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Originally posted by bluemirage5
reply to post by ModernAcademia
 


If heterosexuals are homophobics then homosexuals are heterophobic.

These new labels the gays and the dense come up with these days.......but guess what, no one is listening!
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Beautifully written. The word "Homophobe" is a pathetic attempt to shame someone with an opinion. If someone thinks homosexuality is distasteful or just simply immoral then its an opinion not a phobia.




posted on Jun, 14 2011 @ 12:28 AM
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Amazing, Homophobe - Fear. Just because someone may not feel comfortable in the presence of homosexuals does not make them afraid. Just another distortion of words to label someone, similar to the distortion of the word "gay", used to mean merry and happy - not any more.



posted on Jun, 14 2011 @ 12:43 AM
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Originally posted by saycheese
reply to post by topherman420
 


Amazing, Homophobe - Fear. Just because someone may not feel comfortable in the presence of homosexuals does not make them afraid. Just another distortion of words to label someone, similar to the distortion of the word "gay", used to mean merry and happy - not any more.


Im sorry whats amazing and which of my posts in this thread were you replying to?



posted on Jun, 14 2011 @ 01:47 AM
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I want to know if I count as a homophobe. I find homosexuality to be a strange concept and I find it difficult to understand. You could say that I find the idea to people of the same gender being in a sexual relationship together to be wrong, however I believe that they should have the full rights to do so and that we should not openly judge them for doing so. I believe that aslong has straight individuals can be married gay individuals can/should be able to get married aswell. I believe that many gay people are great people and their personal life is none of my business just as my personal life is none of their business.

Do I count as a homophobe? I think I do, but I don't think it is necassarily a bad thing.



posted on Jun, 14 2011 @ 06:39 AM
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OP, I am sorry as I am going to go off topic a minute, but I think that we all knew, without a doubt, this particular subject would open the conversation to a wider range of thoughts, ideas, and feelings.

To sum up my posts so far, and my true intents and feelings:

I only stated that I am a gay man because of this topic at hand. If you were to meet meet me, you would probably never assume I am gay. Just like if I were to meet you, I wouldn't assume you were gay, straight, bisexual, etc. You could be the most flamboyantly gay person, or the straightest person ever - and I would make no assumption. Why? Because I don't care.

I do not follow a gay agenda. My goal is not to - nor has it ever been to - force my sexuality upon anyone. Yes, I am in a committed, mature, responsible relationship with another man. But I place the fact that I am a mature and responsible adult above whether I am gay or straight.

I am not here to fight with anyone, or to argue against anyone's beliefs.Yes, I was hoping to show some of you that just because I am gay, does not mean I fit into the deviant, flamboyant, outspoken lifestyle many of you would stereotype me as being.There are loud homosexuals that march in parades, make out in public, and flaunt their sexuality at any given time, regardless of their surroundings. However, there are straight people that do this as well. I don't shove my partner up against a wall and passionately make out while in public - but really... should anyone do this?

To go back to the original OP, and to try to help this thread regain its proper topic: I feel that a homophobic person is someone who fears the gay lifestyle/person. (I am not splitting hairs and going to the root definition of the parts of the word. I am looking at the socially accepted definition.) But the kicker is, I don't care if you are homophobic. I don't consider it a bad thing, nor do I find it discriminatory. A phobia is a fear. To be homophobic is to have a fear. I don't care why, it's just a word to describe a fear. And I will never judge you, hate you, be angry with you, or anything due to your phobia.

To be anti-homosexual poses the problem. To be "anti" a person is to begin eroding the concept of equality. I just ask that people not be "anti-me" because I am gay. If you are so inclined, get to know me, then make a decision based on who I am. If you are anti-"flamboyant, parade marching, rainbow wearing queens". Fine. That's being anti-action, not anti-person. I do not have a racist bone in my body. But I am anti-"ghetto/thug" MENTALITY. And we all know, that mentality is not limited to the color of ones skin.

My point is this: We should all judge people on their individuality, and not just one part of their private life. And yes, I fight an uphill battle because there are so many 'deviants' so to speak that paint a negative picture toward homosexuals. But please remember, they are the minority - just don't lump me into that stereotype.
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Many times it is stated on ATS that here in America, we are no longer free. However true this may be, we still have some freedoms. You have the freedom to agree with, or disagree with, my homosexuality. And I have the freedom to maintain my committed relationship with another man. But neither of us has the freedom to deny the others freedom. There are much more important things going on in today's world than a 'gay agenda'. I could turn this post into something about how I feel I deserve civil union rights, (marriages should be decided by the Church, not the government.) But many of these topics are best for another time, and another place. This is ATS, we have the freedom to join together in conversations about real topics affecting the entire world. Let's focus our energies in that direction

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posted on Jun, 14 2011 @ 06:44 AM
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Originally posted by muzzleflash
See this is the type of absurd absolutism that spreads through social networks due to societal pressures.

This statement above implies or insinuates that every human is homosexual.


If you don't like them, than you are obviously totally gay and in denial?

It's pure fanaticism. It's the same mentality as religious zeal.
I can describe their mentality in the same exact terminology I would Christian Fundamentalists, and it somehow sticks perfectly!


It is well supported by the evidence that people who are especially "against" gay people are having issues with their own homosexual urges.



Originally posted by Jezus
Top Five Republican Gay Sex Scandals
www.badmouth.net...

If you are full of hate for homosexuals, the evidence suggests you have a psychological problem, based on denying part of yourself.
www.huffingtonpost.com...

Prof. Adams says his research shows that most homophobes "demonstrate significant sexual arousal to homosexual erotic stimuli", suggesting that homophobia is a form of "latent homosexuality where persons are either unaware of or deny their homosexual urges".
www.ipce.info...

In this clip, from the HBO documentary Middle Sexes: Redefining He and She, narrator Gore Vidal discusses a 1996 study on homophobia, which revealed that homophobic males were aroused by gay porn, while non-homophobes were not.
findingthefilth.blogspot.com...

Latham, who has spoken out against homosexuality, asked the officer to join him in his hotel room for oral sex
www.surfingtheapocalypse.net...

For those who have not yet heard of Outrage, it's a documentary by Kirby Dick about closeted Republican hypocrites and the way their hypocrisy damages lives — not only their personal lives but the millions of gays and lesbians their homophobic policymaking affects.
www.towleroad.com...

Homophobes Love Gay Porn
www.feastoffun.com...



posted on Jun, 14 2011 @ 06:50 AM
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I think it is a term used by the left to demagogue anyone that speaks out against gays. I don't think anyone fears homosexuality, they just disagree with the lifestyle of homosexuals. Terms like Homophobe, Sexist, Racist, and anti-Semite (to name a few) are all terms used to stifle debate and rational discourse, and more importantly, put political and/or ideological opponents of the left on the defensive. There are certain occasions when one of the aforementioned terms could and should be applied, but most of the time they are misused, most notably by the MSM. These terms have become so commonplace that when a real example of them occurs it is hard to separate it from all of the occasions where the label(s) were not warranted.



posted on Jun, 14 2011 @ 06:50 AM
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I don't think that anyone has tried to say that everyone who is labeled a 'homophobe' or 'anti-gay' is secretly gay. However, in an earlier post the assumption was made that since I am gay, I would have to explain my risk of a short life due to AIDS to my children. Calling a homophobe gay is not 100% fact. Saying a gay man will die of AIDS is not 100% fact.

Yes, there are many reports of homophobes/anti-homosexuals that end up getting caught in gay acts. And there are many gay men who acquire HIV and AIDS. But I think both sides of the table need to step back and not generalize. Statistics and reports can be manipulated to say whatever the observer wants. The fight will never be won in this way.



posted on Jun, 14 2011 @ 08:02 AM
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Homophobic is just a term gay people use to describe people who do not agree with their lifestyle. It helps them sleep at night to slap a label on people and make themselves feel more normal.

I am a white middle class man, I am not insecure about that fact and thus we (white middle men) do not have "white middle class pride parades". Many gay people on the other hand are incredibly insecure and full of such self loathing that they must be incredibly eccentric and in peoples faces with their sexuality.

They allow their sexuality to define them and they have these gay pride parades which do not stem from pride at all, rather deep seeded feelings of insecurity and a sense of failure. No offence to any homo's but it is my logical conclusion. Feminism, Black history month, etc etc are all examples of similar manifestations of inferiority.



posted on Jun, 14 2011 @ 08:14 AM
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Originally posted by palko

I am a white middle class man, I am not insecure about that fact and thus we (white middle men) do not have "white middle class pride parades". Many gay people on the other hand are incredibly insecure and full of such self loathing that they must be incredibly eccentric and in peoples faces with their sexuality.


Actually, there are parades for straight pride as well. The first Google hit I found highlighted a Straight Pride Parade that was held in August of 2008 in NYC.

HOWEVER, that does not mean that I am lumping you into the same category as those who participated in this parade. And in return, I ask for the same. You said "I am a white middle class man, I am not insecure about that fact..." I, too, am a white middle class man, who is not insecure in that.
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posted on Jun, 14 2011 @ 09:48 AM
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To have a phobia is to be afraid of something. Are you afraid of homosexual people? If so, then I would venture to say that yes, you are a homophobe. But I place no negativity on the word or definition.

If you are not afraid, just maybe don't understand homosexuals, then you are not a homophobe. None of us understand everything



posted on Jun, 14 2011 @ 04:27 PM
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Originally posted by journey2010
I don't think that anyone has tried to say that everyone who is labeled a 'homophobe' or 'anti-gay' is secretly gay.


They aren't necessarily secretly gay (while many are) but they are much more likely to have homosexual urges than your average man.

The behavior of a "homophobe" is a product of the disturbance they feel from their own homosexual feelings. This doesn't mean they are completely gay, but closer to that side of the scale than you average man.


Originally posted by Jezus
Top Five Republican Gay Sex Scandals
www.badmouth.net...

If you are full of hate for homosexuals, the evidence suggests you have a psychological problem, based on denying part of yourself.
www.huffingtonpost.com...

Prof. Adams says his research shows that most homophobes "demonstrate significant sexual arousal to homosexual erotic stimuli", suggesting that homophobia is a form of "latent homosexuality where persons are either unaware of or deny their homosexual urges".
www.ipce.info...

In this clip, from the HBO documentary Middle Sexes: Redefining He and She, narrator Gore Vidal discusses a 1996 study on homophobia, which revealed that homophobic males were aroused by gay porn, while non-homophobes were not.
findingthefilth.blogspot.com...

Latham, who has spoken out against homosexuality, asked the officer to join him in his hotel room for oral sex
www.surfingtheapocalypse.net...

For those who have not yet heard of Outrage, it's a documentary by Kirby Dick about closeted Republican hypocrites and the way their hypocrisy damages lives — not only their personal lives but the millions of gays and lesbians their homophobic policymaking affects.
www.towleroad.com...

Homophobes Love Gay Porn
www.feastoffun.com...



posted on Jun, 14 2011 @ 11:06 PM
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Again collectivist thinking is not intelligent in any capacity,I was merely using the points I dislike of your sexual predilection to illustrate my aversion to it.
You can play Rap and get the same effect from me.Obviously I wouldn't attack you personally, and indeed it may indicate another defensive bias for you to explore.
As a comparator, you have shown the roots of how this misnomer is propagated.
Oh and yes I do like some homosexual friends.We very crudely chide each other because it's funny and they know I respect them as people, as they respect me as a warrior. Though they and most call me Scotty and my wife and family and 2 close friends call me Scott or Weird.
but I digress.
Please continue.



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