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What the hell did I just see on CNN?

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posted on Jul, 20 2002 @ 01:22 PM
In the process of replying to post here, I was watching CNN when all of a sudden this 'commercial' came on. The first screen said, "On September 11th, America lost thousands of lives at the hands of extremists." (See photo 1), followed by video of what were 'celebrations' in the streets somewhere in the middle east, the voice referred to Palestinians rejoicing in the attack. Then it showed video of Arafat yelling for "Jihad, Jihad, Jihad, Jihad" (See photo 4) Followed by the man asking if those who support terrorism are really on our side.

This was clearly aimed to be anti-Palestinian, almost calling them terrorists. Why would I see such a propaganda 'commercial' air on CNN? Where did it come from? The logo at the bottom reads "The Foundation for the Defence of Democracy," although I have yet to find that foundation on the web. It was airing on my local CNN, meaning the cable company here can and does put local advertising on the channel during part of the breaks. This 'commercial' repeated three times and ran today from about 10:44 am pst to 10:47 am pst.

posted on Jul, 20 2002 @ 02:03 PM
Yea it was on local commercial air time. I do now have it on tape. Here is the text of the voice.

"On September 11th, America lost thousands of innocent lives at the hands of extremists. As America mourned, Palestinians carried pictures of Osama Bin Laden, chanting "Death to America and Israel". Official Palestinian television showed calls for "Death to America" and Arafat calling for Jihad, Jihad, Jihad. Now the Palestinians are showing support for Saddam Hussain, a dictator who hates America and all it stands for. Can those who support terrorism be on our side in the war against it?"

posted on Jul, 20 2002 @ 02:30 PM
I havent seen that comercial but I have to admit im not to crazy about palistininans in general I think its obvious they hate us and all we stand for.What part are affended by this comercial?

No offence I was just wandering

posted on Jul, 20 2002 @ 02:32 PM
sounds about right to me

posted on Jul, 20 2002 @ 08:26 PM
Could be just an attmpt to whip the masses into a salivating frenzy so they say "Yes Mr Govt whatever you want to get these scumbags. Yes Mr Govt Man, remove any Rights I have in the interests of protecting my security. Yes Mr Govt Man, feed me you doctored BS as I baaa baaa like a sheep. Yes Mr Govt Man, bend me over and take me roughly as a smile and welcome the New World Order"


posted on Jul, 20 2002 @ 10:31 PM
Well, the palens are all fricken idiots. "We want peace, but right now I need to buy some bombs to strap to self and blow up some Jews" little pr*cks. They say they want peace when we help, second we stop, "Death to America" "America is the Devil" crap starts up. Surprise them, drop a few tons of napalm and watch thier bombs blow up in thier houses and cars before they reach Isreal.

posted on Jul, 20 2002 @ 10:31 PM
that sounds about right to

posted on Jul, 20 2002 @ 11:22 PM
I chuckle as I read your responses. So does that mean you support Israel and what it is doing to the Palestinians? You want to go live like them for a while? Martial Law for years on end, only able to leave your home for a few hours a day if that and unable to operate a business because goods could take days to get to you or not at all? I think that the Palestinians are justified in some lashing out and definitely getting Jerusalem back. It was taken from them, Israel can't seem to stay in one place, the Jewish people should move aside for the people they oppress. Sharon is over there taking every opportunity to be little Hitler in sending his military (funded and armed with your tax dollars) to destroy Palestinian homes and businesses. Now you all take the stand that since Arafat can't control his bragades of suicide bombers, that all of Palestine and it's people should be our enemies? If you can look over your flag waving patriotism, you'd see that the ret of the world supports the Palestinians. I think the U.S. should leave that country alone. I do not want my tax dollars going to Israel in any form and the U.S. should stop trying to make peace there. Let them fight it out.

To make myself clear, I do not support suicide bombings on innocent civilians, on those that are at the root of the Israeli terror, yes.

posted on Jul, 21 2002 @ 01:18 AM
Sure, Palens deserve that. They support suicide bombings. So Isreal should bomb them and attack them until they nothing but individual atoms.

posted on Jul, 21 2002 @ 03:06 AM
Cursedag, I went to Israel in the early to mid 80's before they started the intafada. I visited arab villages, I went to an arab wedding, I worked with an Arab - although not palestinian.

I saw arabs working in Israel, working on Kibutzes with Israelis, etc. I visited a couple of arab towns, and they were nice places.

They had it all ... but they wanted more, and they wanted it by violence and murder. Together they could have built a future with the Israelis, but they wanted to be masters of all.

They deserve what they get. ..... afterall they started it and refuse to end it ...

The intafada and what is happening now is the result of deliberate political decision making, not a reaction against the Israelis. Arafat decided that sacrificing the lives of his people by suicide bombings etc was the only way he would reach his own political goals.

You can't look at the events of the last couple of weeks with the bombings and say "poor palestinians, how hard done by they are"

posted on Jul, 21 2002 @ 11:34 AM
Well, I think I have ranted on this subject more than enough times.

It just seems the Palestinians have dug their hole far too deep now. It looks like it will be their grave.

posted on Jul, 21 2002 @ 12:36 PM

Originally posted by alien
Could be just an attmpt to whip the masses into a salivating frenzy so they say "Yes Mr Govt whatever you want to get these scumbags. Yes Mr Govt Man, remove any Rights I have in the interests of protecting my security. Yes Mr Govt Man, feed me you doctored BS as I baaa baaa like a sheep. Yes Mr Govt Man, bend me over and take me roughly as a smile and welcome the New World Order"


Right on well said!
peace Spot

posted on Jul, 29 2002 @ 07:12 AM
I live in the UK and I saw a commercial along the same lines as yours on digital.

What made me laugh was the fact that all these "extremists" were plotting the downfall of the US/Western world saying how evil etc. we all are and how we sold them their weapons. Thing is, I could go out and buy a gun that was made by "us" but you don't see me going around and shooting people in the name of religion.

It's a question of how civilized we are, the majority of "westerners" wouldn't dream of killing someone, these people just aren't civilized enough to decipher right from wrong. And before anyone goes off on the religion tangent, think about a quote I once heard (can't remember who sorry)

"Kill a man and youíre a murderer. Kill a thousand in the name of religion, and youíre a saint.'

posted on Jul, 29 2002 @ 02:28 PM
This of course is the FDD (from your spelling of "defence" you are clearly a Brit, Dave -"English" such a tricky word now)
It sprang into life full-fledged from nowhere ( a sthe ancients believed worms, mould and fungus did) after 9-11.
It is a Zionist organisation, and it's odd to think that- no matter what amount had been paid -the Palestinians could not have had air-time for an anti-advert, as it were.
It's a bit of a read; but a good indication of the quality of this stout assembly of freedom-lovers can be had from the "Crossfire" transcript at this link.
"May" ( Clifford May - leader of the Defense Boys) is the speaker to watch.
It's a long piece but a telling index of the way the matzoh rolls.

pass especial attention to the man's inability to either speak the truth or lie convincingly (the Sharon school of Rhetoric, methinks).

posted on Jul, 29 2002 @ 05:44 PM
It seems all the woes of the Palestinians are placed on the shoulders of the Israelis, but in doing that, alot is being ignored. The fact that they never "owned" one inch of land, or that their own "brothers" treat them like a disease, except when it comes to using them as a tool against the Israelis. Jordan expelled them from her land a few years ago. What has Egypt done for them, or Saudi Arabia, or Syria? They have no claim on Israeli territory, any more than Syria's or Egypts, but of course, its the Israelis and their pityful amount of land that is expected to give Palestinians a homeland. All this anti-Semitic crap is bogus.

Does that mean I don't have compassion for the Palestinians? No; I'm afraid I have more pity for the distressed children than their Arabic brethren in that region.

But let's not forget, while we talk about this over the internet in the comfort of our respective homes, the Palestinian children are being taught to see the Jew as subhuman. and that their will be no peace until the subhumans are exterminated. PLO sponsored schools teach them this, and who funds the PLO with millions/year? You got it; the American tax-payer.

posted on Jul, 29 2002 @ 09:21 PM
i have those pals living next door to me (my nextdoor neighboors)! theyre nice! they know alot about computers! dont hate their race and religion just because they see the truth in how messed up this country is!

posted on Jul, 29 2002 @ 11:38 PM
Look structure, don't get sucked into them. Get a pest exterminator out right away and clear those varmints out of their house. If you let them breed they will infest the whole street ...

posted on Jul, 30 2002 @ 06:13 AM
There is only 1 democratia in this area. And it's Israel. All country arround Israel aren't democratic.

Those country do not care with the Palestinians peoples, TC has right.
They are pro-palestinians only for their own purposes.
That's why the former Jordania King fired almost all the Palestinians from his Kingdom. Don't tell me it's not true, I had a palestinian friend in my former job, and he was coming from Jordania. I can't remember how many times he asked me why we were supporting Arafat. He knows that Arafat is an Evil man who don't want peace. He knows that Palestinians & Jews will have peace ONLY when Arafat will be dead, or fired.

Israel gaves to palestinian authority all what they wanted to the Oslo Agreement.
But Arafat refused. he didn't accept coz he knew it was over for him.

Arafat isn't a democrat. This guy is the guy who did many terrorist attacks in 1970/1990.

If a peace agreement ( a real one ) is done with the Israelians, he will loose his power. But he want to keep it, at any prices. He don't care about his own population. Arafat is a WarLord. And Warlords don't like peace. WarLords want the power !

The best things for the both side, it's firing Arafat. Palestinians needs a real democratic government.

In 1967, just after the " six days war ", Israel gaves back the Temple Mount to the Mosleems Authority. It was nice from them. They didn't have to do it, but they did it.

Since 1948, Israel, this " little country with just 5 millions peoples " had to suffer many wars & attacks. Israel is the defender, do not forget it. And before Israel, palestine was just an dry desert. Who did everything ? The Israelians...

Who can think that a 5 millions country want to do many wars with his numerous neighbors ? It's sound stupid, because it's stupid!

Until the middle-east nations will not be democratics, we will not have peace. It's not possible. Dictatorships & democratia don't do a good mix !

It's not Israel who attacked them.Looks what's happened before. Egypt, Jordania, Syria did a coalition, and started a war against Israel when it was Yom Kippour. For them, YK is Holly, like Ramadan for the Muslims. What will happened if Israel start a war against his neighbors when it's Ramadan ? You can be sure, we will heard all the nations shouting against Israel. Israel is alone and fight for staying alive, is it so hard to understand ?

They are really lucky to have the A-bomb. They can protect themselves from their crazy neighbors.

And for your tax dollars, some of you are upset, coz your dollars have to go to Israel. Me, I'm upset because my Euros Tax have to go in Palestine, to support their " Holly War ", their fuc=*] Djihad !!! Their terrorists acts against civililans.

posted on Jul, 30 2002 @ 06:58 AM
Not sure the point isn't being mssed on this one: surely this is about the Western media; not about the in's and out's of Israel post 47-48.
Comments on nobody wanting the Palestinians largely true, historically at least; but worth remembering that Jordan and Egypt were at the mercy of a triumphant US-backed Israel at the time. But why would that be relevant? There must be all manner of minorities that "nobody wants" -so that removes their human rights?

As to the original posting here:
If you search ìFDD+Washington Postî, or something similar, you should get the text of May, launching the Foundation, just after 9-11. Itís interesting enough to have stayed in Estragonís enfeebled memory. Apart from the utter lack of any journalistic analysis, comment or criticism (surprise, surprise in the WP), youíll get Mayís ìdefinitionî of ìterrorismî. From memory, this is close to: ìthe premeditated killing of innocent civilians to further political or military ends.î
Now, beyond the sheer fatuity of such a ìdefinitionî ñHiroshima, Nagasaki, just about the whole of the RAF USAAF strategic bombing in WWII, lots of other more recent unpleasantnesses, one will spot the weasel words.
In an age of total warfare, nation states ñ just who is a ìcivilianî? On the other hand, in a half-century where just about every Western-involvement conflict has been an ìundeclaredî war: who isnít a civilian?
If the ìenemyî have no ìstateî ñthen what sort of political or military ends can they pursue? They cannot formally declare war; they cannot formally negotiate politically.
What is ìpremeditatedî? Who cannot say: ìOoop, we thought they were all Al-Qaida.î
And who defines ìinnocentî? Is a munitions worker ìinnocentî? Is someone harbouring an alleged terrorist ìinnocentî?
Indeed, was it not GWBís apprehension at such definitions that made him decline to follow Slick Willyís lead and sign up to an International agreement on just such matters?
Just one more example of the manipulation of the US media (not that much is needed) and of the gullibility of a public fed more and more of less and less.

posted on Jul, 30 2002 @ 08:05 AM
two points:
1, Surely it is about education and culture or rather a balanced informed education and culture.

The US media presents one general bias, hence ppl like SetiPsychic going all gung ho and the Oceanic / Europcean media presenting another ala Alien's points of view, we are all misinformed, it just depends upon the view you want to hold.
The problem with the western media is that its all focused around politics, the ground is being prepared to invade Iraq again and this is merely the precursor to a more rigourous campaign that will attempt to polarise the western public at large into those who support it and those who don't.

2, If you look over the history of events Israel has grabbed more land for itself since its inception from the palestinians. They build settlements in those areas with all amenities and then regulate the water and electricity supplies to the surrounding palestinians. There is no attempt to even help or integrate. This is no war of religion, its about mindsets and fear of the other.

Unfortunately, Israel seems to be copying the US too much in thinking that by dominating everything they will be able to control everything, the more they impose themselves, the more they build up hate against them.

I can't help thinking that if both countries were left to fend for themselves that a satisfactory outcome would be reached much quicker, the more other countries meddle the more divides seem to be built. Both ppl are good ppl at their heart, unfortunately their leaders are not always blessed the same.

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