Chemtrail Plane Crashes in California

Originally posted by crayzeed
As for nobody coming forward who has seen the planes with the equipment to spray anything, how many times must you be told and shown evidence of companies doing irrepairable damage to your enviorenment and only know about it from them getting caught at it. You never hear from those employed by those companies doing the damage.

AHH, there is the rub. You know about those companies because someone blew the whistle. Someone, somewhere, didn't like what was going on and they leaked information. (that is how they get caught)

So while it's possible yet unlikely that chemtrail planes are littering the skies above the entire US and most other countries, no evidence has been provided. So until then, I stand by my story of Bigfoot having a tawdry affair with The Donnald.

reply to post by Hillbilly123069


Yeah - what's the actual problem?

Originally posted by Hillbilly123069
Omega Air and Evergreen International teamed up to launch the joint venture Global Airtanker Service
www.samizdata.net...
MARKETS:

• Firefighting
• Oil Spill Containment
• Weather Modification
• Biochemical Decontamination

www.evergreenaviation.com...
Anymore dots needing connected?

wait, did you just link a blog to be used as proof of something?

Sigh, ahh summer vacation is back. I guess we have these things to look forward to until mid August.

Originally posted by firepilot
A 707 can carry lots of fuel, and probably have internal fuel bladders added. They probably acquired the two of them quite cheap, since they have very little commercial value anymore.

Here's what Omega says about their 707's:

What is the K-707's fuel capacity and how is it different from a KC-135?
Omega’s 707 fuel tank system is basically the same as a KC-135, without forward and aft body tanks. Both Omega and a KC-135 have two reserve tanks, two outboard main tanks, two inboard main tanks, and a center wing tank. Omega has larger wing and fuselage tanks, but without body tanks, Omega’s total fuel capacity is less. With a full fuel load, Omega can carry between 156k and 160k, depending on fuel type and temperature. At maximum landing weight, Omega can land with about 100k of fuel, so unless the flight is very short or has a low planned offload, Omega can usually takeoff with full fuel. On a 10,000 ft. sea level runway, Omega can takeoff with full fuel up to about 85 degrees F.

- from Omega Air FAQ

From the graphs below this answer it looks like they have about 85,000 lbs of off-loadable fuel

Originally posted by Hillbilly123069
Omega Air and Evergreen International teamed up to launch the joint venture Global Airtanker Service
www.samizdata.net...
MARKETS:

• Firefighting
• Oil Spill Containment
• Weather Modification
• Biochemical Decontamination

www.evergreenaviation.com...
Anymore dots needing connected?

Plenty, you have no idea, yet again, what you are talking about. What you are linking to, was a proposal between Evergreen and Omega air, to convert DC-10s into refueling tankers for the Royal Air Force, and that article was from 2004. Since the RAF has no such airplanes, obviously the proposal was never accepted.

And what does that single 747 that Evergreen has modified for firefighting, have the slightest thing to do with the 707 and DC-10 that Omega have?

Actual link of the Evergreen/Omega merger. I apologize some of this data is over the heads of a few. Not trying to insult anyone, but if you cannot see this, you're not wanting to. I was a skeptic. Amazing what 1 google search can produce if you want to learn something. Good day.
Omega Air and Evergreen International teamed up to launch the joint venture Global Airtanker Service
www.airforce-technology.com...

Originally posted by Hillbilly123069
Actual link of the Evergreen/Omega merger. I apologize some of this data is over the heads of a few. Not trying to insult anyone, but if you cannot see this, you're not wanting to. I was a skeptic. Amazing what 1 google search can produce if you want to learn something. Good day.
Omega Air and Evergreen International teamed up to launch the joint venture Global Airtanker Service
www.airforce-technology.com...

so not an actual merger at all then - but forming a 3rd company jointly owned by them as clearly stated by you - a joint venture.

Why do you say this is a merger??

Edit: And come to think of it, even if they did merge that'd be cause for a great big "So what?"

2 small companies merging, both specialising in charters and niche markets, with a combined fleet of about 20 aircraft....how would this be "proof" of something nefarious anyway?

Edit again - here is Global Airtanker's home page: www.globalairtankerservice.com... There is no mention of Evergreen on it (if there ever was) - it looks like the company now has just the 1 KDC-10 tanker, although you can find references on the web to them having had plans to make as many as 15 back in 2004.

dunno why EG isn't mentioned - perhaps they decided they didn't really want to be operating a tanker when the sizeable fleet wasn't a commercial success, perhaps some other reason - there appears to be nothing on the 'net.

Does the US have a public share register so you can look up who holds the shares??

3rd Edit:

Compare these 2 photos - this one is the KDC-10 at Farnborough in 2004 - note the Evergreen and Omega Air company logos on the forward lower fuselage

www.planepictures.net...

Now check the one on the GAS KDC-10 home page - www.globalairtankerservice.com... - note the Evergreen logo is not there any more. Don't know the date of this one tho.

And another addition: The a/c in the planepictures photo above is N852V, and is currently registered to Omega Air - registry.faa.gov...

Photos of it are at www.planepictures.net... - the latest there is from 2007 and shows it laid up in storage at Pinal Air Park and carrying both EG & OA logos.

there's also a photo of it at Pinal here - www.airteamimages.com... taken 1 May 2010 along with a 3rd DC-10 apparently registerd to GAS - N469V - it is deregistered and owned by Wells Fargo Bank - registry.faa.gov...

there is another one N974VV registered to Wilmington Trust Co Trustee - registry.faa.gov..., but it carries Omega Air Services Markings - eg see these photos - www.planepictures.net...

reply to post by Hillbilly123069

Enjoyed the link...especially to Evergreen and on that site under 'news' a story "Evergreen partners with Prioria Robotics" from June 2010. Your find on the plane crash has yielded some new (to me) information - thanks for that.

reply to post by adeclerk

Please don't chop up my posts and extract from them and expect me to reply. You just want to argue which is ok. Again...how could I possibly know which government agency is commanding weather modification when in todays' world there is multi-tasking within government agencies, i.e. NASA and their Muslim outreach program, and when everything is available for outsourcing. Perhaps the command function itself has been outsourced - makes sense in Economics 101 as you, yourself, put it.

OMEGA does that not represent END,THE END,HORSESHOE DOWN , Bad sess 111111

1 down,149(spray planes) to go....

reply to post by Homedawg


How do you know there were 150 of them??

Originally posted by Homedawg
1 down,149(spray planes) to go....

Thats sick, people could have easily died in that crash but luckily no one did. A "Spray plane", obviously you read the same chemmie sites as the OP.

Originally posted by luxordelphi
reply to post by adeclerk

 

Please don't chop up my posts and extract from them and expect me to reply. You just want to argue which is ok. Again...how could I possibly know which government agency is commanding weather modification when in todays' world there is multi-tasking within government agencies, i.e. NASA and their Muslim outreach program, and when everything is available for outsourcing. Perhaps the command function itself has been outsourced - makes sense in Economics 101 as you, yourself, put it.

So where's the evidence the money went into weather modification operations, as opposed ot research of weather modification techniques? It would be pretty obvious if weather modification was occurring as widespread as you are insinuating. Meteorologists everywhere would take note. Or are they part of the conspiracy too?

Originally posted by luxordelphi
reply to post by adeclerk

 

Please don't chop up my posts and extract from them and expect me to reply. You just want to argue which is ok. Again...how could I possibly know which government agency is commanding weather modification when in todays' world there is multi-tasking within government agencies, i.e. NASA and their Muslim outreach program, and when everything is available for outsourcing. Perhaps the command function itself has been outsourced - makes sense in Economics 101 as you, yourself, put it.

it is one thing to speculate on things that might happen.

But if you delve into the realm of saying that they ARE happening then it behoves you to have some actual evidence to support your conclusion.

Even if it is not HARD evidence, presumably you have some reason to think what you think?

if it can be shown that your reasons are wrong then you should change your conclusions - that's what I will do if anyone can actually show me good evidence that chemtrails exist.

reply to post by network dude


What about all the flights from Mcarren International Airport in unmarked planes with windows blacked out that go back and forth to area 51? For over 30 years at least and probably longer and can't recall many coming forward or talking about the planes until George Knapp filmed them leaving and coming in did anyone know anything about them but nobody that emptied the crapper came forward.
Ever get any of these people to talk?
What about all the people that fuel these planes and empty the crapper did they ever say what was going on?
I think it was more than just a few that kept quiet.
What would the gov't or any corporation have to gain from being truthful?
And hey Bush said it was ok for companies to not disclose what they are dumping in the water but hey they would never do anything harmful to their own citizens so drink up.

reply to post by lastidealist


That would be the Janet planes, passenger planes that fly in to Area 51.

No big secret really, got any photos of the blacked out windows?

Janet

Originally posted by lastidealist
reply to post by network dude

 

What about all the flights from Mcarren International Airport in unmarked planes with windows blacked out that go back and forth to area 51? For over 30 years at least and probably longer and can't recall many coming forward or talking about the planes until George Knapp filmed them leaving and coming in did anyone know anything about them but nobody that emptied the crapper came forward.
Ever get any of these people to talk?
What about all the people that fuel these planes and empty the crapper did they ever say what was going on?
I think it was more than just a few that kept quiet.
What would the gov't or any corporation have to gain from being truthful?
And hey Bush said it was ok for companies to not disclose what they are dumping in the water but hey they would never do anything harmful to their own citizens so drink up.

More hysteria and exaggeration.

They are not blacked out, nor are they unmarked. I have even seen job openings posted for them, they are not all that secret. And it has nothing to do with the chemtrail religion either

So that air refueler can carry 160k of fuel....but to land it has to have 100k or less of fuel...can't land if it's too heavy.


So there, it's a "chemtrail" sprayer. If they took off with 160k of fuel and had something go wrong they would need to spray out the rear 60,000 lbs of fuel before they could attempt a landing.

Makes it a "chemtrail" sprayer....spraying jetfuel out it's rear to lose 60,000 lbs of weight to attempt a landing

reply to post by Pervius


Just like every other a/c that has to dump fuel before landing - it happens a lot - it's not secret, it's not done (only) by military a/c either.

Are you one of the people who thinks that any chemicals coming from an a/c = a chemtrails? How about their invisible exhaust then - is that a chemtrail??