Originally posted by MrXYZ
reply to post by Wanders
The problem is, a lot of religious people use their belief as an excuse to affect other's people's lives. And that MUST NOT happen as long as those
beliefs aren't based on rationality and logic.
I agree to a degree. If you think of it like this.
You see your children running on the highway. You tell at them 'do not play on the highway, its dangerous'. fair enough right
Next you see your neighbors children running on the highway. Do you have the right to tell them not to play on the highway?
Its a moral dilemma for many religious people because they see danger that the children do not see. But they are somebody else children who may feel
that kids are fine playing on the highway. They may even think that its not a highway, maybe its just a sidewalk for them, maybe they just dont care
about their children, or maybe the children should be allowed to make up their own decision as they can always get off the highway if a car is coming.
This is how some religious folks feel about things. Of course you can always look at it the way it has been done in the past.
In order to control somebody, ill make them guilty for acting on their natural urges and demand they obey me or they will burn in hell.
I would submit that people on this forum who advocate religion are less likely power mad and more caring. I would also contend that individuals who
are only interested in control and manipulation are atheists and do not believe they will be judged for their sins ie, making up lies or quoting
sections of the old testament of the bible that are clearly made redundant in the new testament.
To give you an example: stem cell research
This field of science could cure MILLIONS suffering from various birth defects, AIDS, cancer, and a ton of other diseases...yet research is as good as
forbidden because the religious right claims "god doesn't want that".
I cant say for a fact but i believe currently this is an issue relating to money and a definition of human life in an embryo.
Its cheaper to use a human embryo than to use adult stem cells i think. I think that a lot more factors than religion come into play here, but i
concede your point to a degree.
and they still refuse to acknowledge it just because of a 2,000 year old book that clearly isn't based on facts, and in certain cases demonstrably
wrong. And hell, even then I'd allow them to believe whatever they want, unicorns, spaghetti monster, Allah, whatever...but they have WAY too much
influence on the rational/logical citizens.
The new testament is 2000 years old. The old testament is much older, (The Torah for example, the first few books in the old testament is at least
3300 years old), the book that predicts Jesus first coming (Isaiah) has been dated at around 700 BC, etc.
I'd go as far as demanding people against stem cell research and condoms should be put to death with the very same people they condemn to death by
stopping scientific progress...
edit on 17-6-2011 by MrXYZ because: (no reason given)
If TPTB wanted the surfs to have a science because it would make things easier for them, they'd have it, religion or no religion. You certainly like
to make religion a fall guy for the old world order/new world order dont you!
edit on 17-6-2011 by Gravity215 because: Messed up the quotes