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Physicist Stephen Hawking denounced for believing...

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posted on Jun, 13 2011 @ 06:23 PM
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Totally and completely. This and with the EBE publicity twice so! Where is Carl Sagan when you need him? Oh yeah...so sad we are without Sagan.

As it relates to Steven I cannot even imagine the mood I would be after years in a wheelchair listening to people with half my IQ. Nonetheless that is no excuse for lashing out at people. For God's sake sequester yourself until you get a grip!

Steven! That being said, the rage is oozing from your pores and you are wacking people out. Your math isn't even holding up anymore. Your need for a 50's reality is stunting your growth and scaring the sh*t out of the kids. Grow up!

The comment about EBE's being more intelligent than humans really p*ssed me off. You could not be more off on that one. Maybe they are more intelligent than you...since you gave up on your math. Get back in the game dude! You were never like this...whats happened to you! You drank the KoolAid man!

Thanks Daryl...your comment just brought it out. Obviously it has been building up inside of me. Its so sad when scientists sell out.




posted on Jun, 13 2011 @ 08:02 PM
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It is interesting from a scientific point of view to try to find the physical piece of free will however logically it (free will) does undeniably exist.

Even attempting to remove the responsibility of decision is in and of itself a decision.

Free will and consciousness are one in the same.

What separates us from a "biological robot" is feeling.

Of course, I'm only assuming you all have feelings...because it can not be proven scientifically to exist.
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posted on Jun, 13 2011 @ 11:41 PM
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Originally posted by Jrocbaby

Originally posted by bigrex
Poor Mr. Hawking, it must be boring to live in the barren, infecund spiritual world of this sad little man, good thing he has the brilliance of his work to fall back on since his moral commentary is stunningly lacking. Keep your day job Steven and leave the spiritual prognostication to the pros.


I could say the same to you friend, it must be boring to live in a world where god is the answer to the great mysteries.

I would say his version of life is vastly more realistic than what you or I could even imagine.

Just remember, as spiritual and special as you think you are, babies still get killed in drive-by shootings and people still starve, things that would not exist in a god influenced world. Or are you special enough for him to take care of you?


This is the age old debate, suffice to say God is bound by human freedom of choice, we have to have an environment totally free of choice, where we can choose good or evil for ourselves. We must be enticed by one or the other. Before we came here Satan proposed another plan apart from God's plan, and that was that all would be made to do what was right, the only caveat? -That God must give Satan his power, all the glory to him AND we would have no libre arbitre (freedom of choice in the matter). We would have learned nothing with Satan's original plan, we would be no more than robots taking commands from him, we could have never progressed as we do here.

Whether you like it or not, God said, I will send the first (Christ) and he preserved our freedom of choice and Christ would be our Savior that would provide a sacrifice to atone for our misdeeds, IF we would stop those activities and mend our ways. We see incarnations of Satan's plan played out on earth through socialism and in more extreme forms, communism. Dictatorships, benevolent or not, are also in that same camp. No, the God I worship let's us do whatever we want, good or bad, we are free to choose our own path, but we are not free to choose the consequences, whether immediate or eventual of that path. Many erroneously think they can do whatever they will with little or no consequence, but they will have to face an account of their own deeds in the next life, and the consequences either in this or the next life.

All suffering, every tear of sorrow, all pangs of loneliness, etc. will be met with a blessing in the next life. Babies thrown up and harpooned on bayonets, poor aborted children who represented future blessings of parents to be, the child who dies of polio, all go back to a better place than we have here. On the flip side, we learn many things from opposition, temptation, etc. in this life; how to better appreciate the sweet with the bitter, how to cherish life after the horror of war, how to succor the weak and afflicted (if we choose to do so) when they are in need. These are all opportunities to grow as a human being, or on the inverse proposition, damn ourselves to the current reality.

Satan has a very strong grip on this world, he has forces in all mediums, among every people, his work even figures prominently among many religions. Unfortunately, as you have noted, he is the god of this world, the god of lust, fame, fortune, greed, avarice, pride, abuse, pain, you name it. -That is the great conspiracy of our planet. Satan became bitter and the father of all lies, the fallen angel, if you will, spoken of in the Book of Revelation. Nevertheless, these two opposing forces must remain a compound in one during our earth life.

I hope I have explained something that may be of value to a few here, even if you do not agree with it, or with much of it. Maybe I could have summed it up in one reworded and expanded old adage, "If life is a test of service, whom or what will you serve? Are you passing or failing the game of life? Prove it! Prove it by your deeds."
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posted on Jun, 13 2011 @ 11:59 PM
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Well apparently these scientists live in a world where they think they're on an elevated platform and are allowed, able to treat humans, as if some lab rat, or something under their control, and do this with impunity because they're psychotic. I have no respect for anyone in any position that sells out the human race or disassociates from humanity elevating themselves, they are very immature toddlers, and so completely alien and negative it's like being in the presence of someone bordering on narcissism, and nazi-ism, with the will to harm that would make a common serial killer look like small fry.

Every person is inviolate, and counts more than anything, and no one has any of these rights. So this man, belongs in this very same group, privileged to information, a gatekeeper, who needs to wake up and come clean.
And until he does he stands for the phantom in the nightmare.


Pentagon Eugenics Alter DNA breed out Religious impulses via FunVax Vaccinations & Aerosol

He belongs to this set of individuals.

And look at what they want to do to civilians now.

Now the swine flu which had few casualties yet the vaccinations makes sense, for it seems they're altering our bodies deliberately.[

I consider it abuse, violence, torture, assault and they should be imprisoned for life.
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posted on Jun, 14 2011 @ 07:27 AM
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Physicists are limited to their own proper field of expertise.

Don't expect a cook to explain consciousness with vegetables.



posted on Jun, 14 2011 @ 08:13 AM
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Originally posted by D1ss1dent
Physicists are limited to their own proper field of expertise.

Don't expect a cook to explain consciousness with vegetables.


what an excellent thought.
What has Mr. Hawking done on consciousness? One who believes so strongly on science probably never had time to find his real self.



posted on Jun, 14 2011 @ 09:01 AM
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Originally posted by rudeboyrave

Originally posted by D1ss1dent
Physicists are limited to their own proper field of expertise.

Don't expect a cook to explain consciousness with vegetables.


what an excellent thought.
What has Mr. Hawking done on consciousness? One who believes so strongly on science probably never had time to find his real self.


That's a very slippery slope. Tread very carefully!.

If a bunch of scientists "study" consciousness and come to the same conclusions in peer reviewed papers, would you then accept it?

There cannot be any "experts" on the nature of consciousness, since there exists no objective way to study it. Any person's opinion on it is just as likely valid/invalid as anyone else's.

Remember all it takes to become a "scientific expert" on anything is to get enough funding to conduct a scientific study of the matter and publish peer reviewed papers. If you are willing to be convinced that you are an automaton provided some "experts" pronounce it, you can bet your last penny there will be enough experts who will pronounce exactly that!



posted on Jun, 14 2011 @ 09:27 AM
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Scientists and black ops have already studied consciousness and induced Obe's and even transferred souls into containers. They've done some very questionable, unethical, obscene studies, along with those that are very innovative too. They know 100% that we're souls driving a kind of technology advanced robotic body. They're just NOT SHARING this, for the reasons I've mentioned above, and there is going to consequence on a soul level for themselves should they not join with humanity and start to share information and work for an equal, abundant world. This school either regresses the soul if they chose power or greed, or to not work on themselves, or progresses the soul. Ie. from golf ball size to infinite progression, Beyond this universe hologram, to Star Size.

Being a physicist, Stephen Hawking should be very interested in metaphysics/spirituality, for the truth is more akin to Quantum Science/Metaphysics, and takes studying and contemplating the nature of Holograms (technology) and Infinity, (the platform) and what Infinity Implies and how higher ups utilize it. Ie. Infinity has no measurement, no up/down, back/forward, bigger/smaller, except as perception. As a physicist he should understand what perception means and how we perceive everything including movement, like a computer pulling the signals in and programmed to a certain "reality" or "channel" in the station. As a physicst he should start to grasp that without measurement except as perception, there is the same equal endlessness/infinity within an atom, as without, within a grain of sand, as without, within a star, as without and they're = to each other too!

I know he knows, he just speaks what he's told to speak, the propaganda.

So you take a 30 foot advanced cosmic craft, which may be a craft or it may really be something organic, or an organism that is used as a craft. To our eyes, the definition of "size" is 30 feet. But within, there is an infinite space that can be utilzed or formatted any way they wish, so its much larger.

We are not in the world we think we're in. And he, as a physicist knows this very much. He is just being their performing pet, and lying. A bought of fnazi!!!
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posted on Jun, 14 2011 @ 10:13 AM
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Damn, there are some really great comments in this thread!

I don't have anything else to add really....even among the theists...no slight intended.



posted on Jun, 14 2011 @ 10:34 AM
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What is extremely alarming is that more and more people don't trust their own consciousness anymore. They say to themselves: "Mr. x, y or z told this or I've heard this on tv or I've read this somewhere so it must be true.". They confuse speculation with truth.
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posted on Jun, 14 2011 @ 10:42 AM
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Oh my God!!!!
That video is really, really scary, that is real horror!
I see exactly what is happening, i saw it a few years back but after seeing that video, well what can i say. They aren't gonna chip us, just lobotomise us by vaccine.
Hawkins does know what he's doing, he (like Darwin) is trying to kill God. It's all part of the agenda, the big agenda.

He knows that without awareness nothing can be. He knows about waves of potentiality and the conscious observer collapsing them into apparent particles.

I smell a rat.



posted on Jun, 14 2011 @ 10:54 AM
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It is alarming because most don't even know what awareness of the self is. It has never even crossed their minds, they are distracted and told that image is everything. How do i look from the outside? How do others see me? Am i doing it right? Aways basing our knowledge of ourselves on other peoples opinions and beliefs.
We unconsciously build an image of what we should be!!!!
Everywhere you go you are told to be better, to improve, to become what we Should be!
Until we see what we are, we will believe that we are not enough, that science can improve us
What are we really though?
Don't build images, have a look and see what you really are.
We are not machines, machines are made of matter and there is no matter, no particles, just virtual particles that appear to appear and disappear.

We (as consciousness) are what sees the virtual particles appear and disappear, this body, this mind (thoughts) are part of the appearing/disappearing act, everything that is seen appears and disappears.....in and as consciousness itself.
There is nothing but consciousness.


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posted on Jun, 14 2011 @ 11:38 AM
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Originally posted by Itisnowagain
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We (as consciousness) are what sees the virtual particles appear and disappear, this body, this mind (thoughts) are part of the appearing/disappearing act, everything that is seen appears and disappears.....in and as consciousness itself.
There is nothing but consciousness.

That is profound. I'll meditate on that this afternoon.



posted on Jun, 14 2011 @ 11:48 AM
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Are you conscious that you are conscious?
Do you know you are?
What else is there but your experience?

I highly recommend a book called 'The Transparency of Things, Contemplating the nature of experience' by Rupert Spira.
I have just veiwed the book description on Amazon. I think this thread is a perfect place to present it.

The purpose of Rupert's book is to look clearly and simply at the nature of experience, without any attempt to change it. A series of contemplations lead us gently but directly to see that our essential nature is neither a body nor a mind. It is the conscious Presence that is aware of this current experience. As such it is nothing that can be experienced as an object and yet it is undeniably present. However, these contemplations go much further than this. As we take our stand knowingly as this conscious Presence that we always already are, and reconsider the objects of the body, mind and world, we find that they do not simply appear to this Presence, they appear within it. And further exploration reveals that they do not simply appear within this Presence but as this Presence. Finally we are led to see that it is in fact this very Presence itself that takes the shape of our experience from moment to moment whilst always remaining only itself. We see that our experience is and has only ever been one seamless totality with no separate entities or objects anywhere to be found.
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posted on Jun, 14 2011 @ 12:04 PM
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Itisnowagain,

I often say that it's within silence that everything can be found.

Thanks for the recommendation. I'll read this book as soon as I can.



posted on Jun, 14 2011 @ 12:53 PM
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What an ignorant thing to say.

Its not even logical.

First, this doesnt resolve the "which comes first question" of do we percieve reality, or does reality cause us to percieve it.

No doubt there are laws and a consistent logic in reality. There are chemicals, species, and a great deal more "science" about how the physical world works. But in the end, our feeble minds cant fathom which came first. You can only guess. Only ones personal philosophy can choose. Thus, Free will.

Personally, i think a divine intelligence is responsible for how the world appears and frankly only a philosophical ignoramus would think otherwise (being a student of philosophy, both western, eastern and jewish, i can make this statement knowing full well its validity)...

You can hardly see the difference between the tone we see today and the Tower of Babel story (when understood as allegory). We live in the tower of Babel generation. People seek to dethrown G-d; to set themselves up as the arbiters of truth; the conquerers of creation. Its just sad they dont understand that fundamentally, we are unable to play the creator.



posted on Jun, 14 2011 @ 01:35 PM
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Originally posted by Unity_99
Scientists and black ops have already studied consciousness and induced Obe's and even transferred souls into containers. They've done some very questionable, unethical, obscene studies, along with those that are very innovative too. They know 100% that we're souls driving a kind of technology advanced robotic body.


There is something to this. I think what you are talking about will eventually put us in a society like the one described in the novel, Dune. Basically, certain science fiction movies and novels have put their finger on an emerging trend, that is, the co-opting of heretofore hidden spiritual practices by the technologically advanced controllers of our world.

People have always done black magic and rulers have always had recourse to good and bad religious allies, but that the scientifically minded, "materialistic"
ruling elites of our time should be so assiduous in putting down spirituality, is a sign that they would like to wipe all spiritual practitioners that they don't control off the board.

Are we looking at another massacre of the witches, similar to the one's that took place in the middle ages? If so, this massacre will be initiated by people who are spiritualists themselves and a far cry from the Stephen Hawkings and Richard Dawkins's of this world.

People should wake up to the fact that anyone allowed to babble on "primetime" is carrying a message approved by the elites, by and large.

Are the elites rational materialists, beyond all that religious and spiritual hocus pocus? Not by a long shot.
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posted on Jun, 14 2011 @ 03:24 PM
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Originally posted by Unity_99
Scientists and black ops have already studied consciousness and induced Obe's and even transferred souls into containers.


Please prove this case....I highly doubt this transferring of souls into containers worked. What souls? What containers? This had better not be some ghostbusters phenomenon.






posted on Jun, 14 2011 @ 03:27 PM
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Too many hypothesis spoils the pot



posted on Jun, 14 2011 @ 03:33 PM
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So you take a 30 foot advanced cosmic craft, which may be a craft or it may really be something organic, or an organism that is used as a craft. To our eyes, the definition of "size" is 30 feet. But within, there is an infinite space that can be utilzed or formatted any way they wish, so its much larger.


Wow, just wow...this has to be the biggest nonsense I read on these boards today. You talk about perception a lot, but completely ignore the FACT that our perception is seriously flawed. Just look at optical illusions! That's why use technology to make up for those shortcomings.

As for the rest of your nonsense, you make a lot of crazy claims but don't post a shred of evidence in support. In short, until you back up your claims with solid evidence, you're just like the crazy guy on Times Square holding up a "the end is near" sign asking people to repent



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