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But both sides have to give alittle to get peace in the region, which as long as the Isrealies feel threatened, they will not budge and as long as the harsh conditions the Palenstians live under, will not budge.
Originally posted by Skellon
reply to post by Corruption Exposed
I believe it is a great way to risk the lives of others from the comfort of our arm chairs.
Awwwwwe the poor Israeli's, how dare they be inconvenienced by bad PR.How can they expect committing piracy in international waters and execute innocent people and not expect bad PR.
As for the whole flotilla trend you mention, I believe it is a great way to get tons of aid from many different groups of people.
Israel has managed to convince most the world that they possess the right to do what they want when they want, yet at the same time they commit acts they claim to be trying to prevent. So they expect to have the world helplessly watch aid trickle in from these other available crossings that are governed with so much red tape and bureaucracy that the amount of aid from these flotillas is much more than any amount of aid that could come in at these other crossings.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with people setting up these flotillas, if Israel doesn't like it they can go suck a rotten egg.
This immature comment only deserves a reply of the same nature.
Awww the poor activists, how dare they be stopped upon reaching a naval blockade enforced by an armed navy when they are asked to dock at ports (in Israel and Egypt, to their choice) and still refuse. "Innocent" people will keep getting "executed" as long as they choose this idiotic way of "transferring aid" into Gaza, which is clearly not something that is in their prime priority.
Strange. The UN is delivering aid into Gaza from Israel for years now, and now they can do it from Egypt as-well. Care to do alittle comparison of how many tons of aid reached Gaza through UN's way of transferring it from Israel, between how many tons of aid reached Gaza from stupid flotillas? Easy comparison.
There you go again being immature. There is absolutely nothing wrong with IDF navy stopping unrecognized rouge ships coming at Gaza wanting to break it's blockade, if the activists don't like it they can keep going back and forth forever for all we care. Keep in mind that the whole attitude of "if Israel don't like it they can go X..." is wrong because there is nothing you can do to stop the enforcing of the blockade, illegal or not, until a sane government exists in Gaza. Until that happens, it is you who can go "suck a rotten egg" as you put it, and whine about it as much as you'd like.
Originally posted by Truth4Thought
I find it weird that people still fail to realize that this blockade is just plain illegal and that it should not matter which entry the aid is to be delivered at. If the groups delivering the supplies would rather do it by boat which would be the most effective way, they should be aloud to do so. The aid would take much longer to deliver through the other two available options.
Most of the discussion is moot because people are discussing under the pretenses that Israel has the right to stop these aid flotillas and suggesting other options to deliver aid.
And to those who suggested or indirectly implied that any flotilla members who get hurt had it coming to them, get a grip! That is an absurd way to look at an already messed up situation.
Originally posted by sdcigarpig
reply to post by backinblack
Yet you miss the point to my posting. It does not matter if they are being invaded or not. What people look at is the military hardware that they are using to repel what they would view as the invasion. And to make matters worse, there are times that they actually start the conflicts. This is not the actions of an oppressed people nor is it one of refugees, rather it is the desperate attempts to gather support for their cause, using terror and fear as a weapon. As long as they continue to use military hardware to attack, as long as they keep the violence up, they will never have the support that they truely need to get anywhere and will keep the cycle of violence going.
Put it into a different context: If they did nothing, and used peaceful means to resist, no violence, no military hardware, nothing, then there would be an outcry from the world and Isreael would have to find a peaceful solution.
The even solution of the pre 1967 boarders is not only a slap in the face, but offers no real viable solution for either side, cause eventually one side or the other would want more. And further more, instead of taking any peace agreement the Palenstinens reject just about any and every peace agreement presented to them. They are the victims of their own making.
Originally posted by sdcigarpig
reply to post by backinblack
Funny how you are under the belief that I am pro either group over there. I blame both groups for the problems and ultimately believe that both sides need to have all support cut off and force them to compromise. That means that all support for the Israelies and the Palenstinans need to halt and stop. No more aid to either side, no more supplies, no nothing, then and only then will peace comes around.
It is when they are forced to deal with the other, that they will have to come to a compromise. However, the question is who will control Jersulaem? Both sides lay claim to it, three major religions have ties to it. If anything if the Palenstianians were to give up claims to it, then Israel may turn around and give up claims on other lands to where both sides start to compromise.
Originally posted by backinblack
reply to post by sdcigarpig
Israel could simply stop the Illegal settlements..
Why do you guys REFUSE to accept that is about the MAJOR hurdle to peace and is 100% Israel's fault??
So how can anyone in their right mind blame israel for wanting to inspect anything shipped into the Gaza strip? Its simply not fair. Hamas doesnt acknwledge Israel right to exist; its in their charter. They repeatedly launch attacks on Israel.
Originally posted by Corruption Exposed
Since when were factual observations immature content. Don't blame me if you don't like the way I deliver the real deal. Do you expect me to sugar coat it for your obvious sensitivity to this issue?
Once again, who are you to decide who gets aid and how it is delivered?
Also, who put you in the position to decide whether or not a method of delivering aid is "idiotic"?
So once again you indirectly imply that these "innocent" people deserve to get "executed" due to their "idiotic" method of delivering aid just because Israel does not condone their method, yet most of the world does.
May I also ask what makes you properly informed on their prime priority.
Their prime priority is clearly to deliver aid.
To assume that they are probably wanting to smuggle arms and or similar materials or any other type of foolishness is evidence that you are brainwashed by the Zionist propaganda machine and that there is really no point discussing this matter with you, yet I will continue.
First of all, are you even aware of the UN aid that has been delivered into Gaza over the last few years?
A member left a link of allowed materials earlier in this thread. I suggest you view their link.
UN aid to Gaza must first be analyzed by Israel which means most of it does not make it through.
We're talking building supplies to rebuild much needed infrastructure such as plumbing, electricity grid, schools and hospitals...etc.
Regrettably I do not know exactly how much aid has been allowed through these crossings, but the reports have been very evident that the amount of aid is minimal.
A flotilla of 10 well equipped boats would easily be capable of delivering more aid than a few truck loads crossing the other available land crossings via Israeli inspection.
Your request to compare the amount of aid from the Egyptian and Israeli crossing versus those of flotillas is plain stupid. There has been virtually no aid allowed into Gaza via these flotillas due to Israeli interference. I can't believe you even asked me that question. I am beginning to lose my patience with your lack of logical thought.
That's the second time you have called me immature in one post, you're on a roll buddy
As for you defending IDF navy ships committing piracy in international waters, I will let that one be and let you wallow in your own embarrassment
I will admit that the government in Gaza is not the top model of a perfect government, but they were elected by their people.
I would not call the Israeli government's actions "sane" either. The Israel government has been the root cause of most conflict in that region for well over 60 years now.
So let's not get off topic and start pointing fingers at which government has more skeletons in their closet, if we were to play that game Israel would surely come out the loser.
BTW I was telling the government of Israel to go suck and egg, and for you to counter that and tell me to go suck an egg, tells me you are a member or supporter of the Israeli government which leaves me no choice but to question your moral values and many other things. Good day sir