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Originally posted by blend57
I think the whole issue started with the old man. It sounded as though he didn't give the kid an opportunity to be a decent neighbor. What the kid said is "were you the guy who flipped me off the other day?" To me this sounds as though the old guy didn't bother to have a conversation with the kid asking him to not walk the dog on his property in a respectful manner.
Maybe he did and this is a continuation of something that is on going and we only saw what the kid wanted us to see. But if the old guy didn't ask him politely, like he would have any other neighbor/person, than he is at fault and started the confrontation.
I think the girl was video taping from her cell phone, and the kid said they were at the pond first and the old man walked up, which the old man agreed was the case. So, I don't get the feeling it was a set up other than maybe a few minutes prior when they saw him comming.
In any case, this is something that could have been handled with better communication and some common decency on both sides
Originally posted by wolfwood290
The old man flipped him off when all he did was walk around the neighborhood. So if I walk in front of a neighbor's house down the street I would be accused of trespassing? There is no "DO NOT TRESPASS" sign in their area otherwise there would also be a fence of some kind. The old man swore at the black dude first when he just talked in a mild manner towards him. That is ridiculous because the old man is clearly overly defensive and looking for a fight (since he's retired). If he had discussed the situation with the black dude calmly there would be no need for violence.
Originally posted by mescalito83
reply to post by FurthestStar
They are both wrong. Why does anyone have to side with either of them. The old man was rude and acted shamefully. The kid was acting like a punk and should have not even confronted the man in the first place. It's not a racist thing. I can hate people no matter what color their skin is. I think both of these people are perfect examples of the dregs of humanity.
I see your point, makes sense. I guess I would have to agree then, putting it that way.
Originally posted by Exuberant1
reply to post by hotbakedtater
Just because someone uses a word does not mean they are a racist.
Say the n word out loud - are you now a racist? Or did you just say the n word?
When I go to record someone for possible evidence I am going to be polite and on my best behavior on camera too. Notice his polite act did not last very long.
Originally posted by TheEndIsNear421
Wow I am honestly ashamed to be a member of this site at the moment. I can't believe it took a post like this for all the true bigots to come out from under the rocks they have been living under. The comments I am reading are worse than the mindless racist babbling I see on youtube. I watched the ENTIRE video (which obviously a lot of you did not ) and I thought that kid was very polite and approached it in a mature manner. If some old man flipped me off I would ask him the same question. Old dude had to take it to the next level and get skin color involved, did he expect the kid to just take it and his fishing buddy to agree with him and have his back? The kid had way more patience than me. It's funny, you could see the exact moment the kid got serious and that old man backed down like a PUNK. What did the old guy expect? If anybody (regardless if they are older than me), pushed me like that, (twice!) he would be lucky he only got pushed. Don't dish it if you can't take it, didn't we learn this in 1st grade?edit on 11-6-2011 by TheEndIsNear421 because: Emiticon mistakeedit on 11-6-2011 by TheEndIsNear421 because: missing words
Originally posted by dumpaling
It's pretty obvious to me it is the old mans fault. First of all, the kids did not seem to be looking for trouble. Next, by the tone is the kids voice you can tell he did not really believe that he was walking the dog on the mans yard; so it is safe to say that the yard had no fence around it. It is reasonable to assume that he had no idea he was on the mans yard in the first place. The kid then tells the man he was not very polite in the way he said to stay out of his yard. I think from that it is safe to assume that it was the first time the kid was walking his dog on the mans yard. It was an innocent mistake and I think everything could have easily been avoided by politely letting the kid know that was his yard and he did not want the dog on it.
Next, the old man clearly had no respect for the kid. If there's one thing I hate its old people walking around like assholes and demanding respect. It's one thing to respect your elders, but that does not give them the right to walk around being rude to people and then expecting respect back. I think the old man initiated the conflict by being rude, and escalated the situation by getting in the kids face and pushing him. Even after his racist comment and the first push, the kid did not retaliate. In fact, he seemed pretty calm until the old man got in his face once again. The old man got what he deserved.