LOGIC: As I see it

Have you ever wondered why a God who has all knowledge would create a negative entity?

It seems simple - look at a light bulb - a positive line grounded creates light.

We all contain the light of life. Life is composed of positive and negative.

If you do not know bad - you will not know good.

i belive that god is all things including the devil. i personally dont buy the idea that god is pure light. because if god is everything, he is both the light and the darkness.

LOL...there is no devil, not really anyway. Perhaps a negative entity

In the history of man, it always has to be an opposite to balance nature. However, like ladyV said is not such things as per say Devil.

If we only have a positive society we will not be able to survive, human mind has been condition to believe that for every good has to be a bad and for every bad has to be a good.

Heaven has never been in war only humans engage in wars; god does not have any reason to create a war or to make angels to fight wars these are human creation of myths.

Originally posted by Codemaster_01
Lucifer was once an archangel. There are only two others, Michael and Gabriel. These had far more power than other angels................ snip ............The point is that God didn't "create" Satan in the sense that He intended him to be evil. Lucifer chose to attempt to overthrow the Creator and his universal kingdom, long before man evolved on this planet.

That only holds true if you belive in that idiotology.

If "God" did all this creating, and allowing and angel to rebel and become Satan yadda yadda, I have two point I always bring up to ponder:

1) If "God" is omnipotent, alwasy was always is, knows past present and future - why did he allow all this human crap to happen? Don't EVEN tell me the "free will" bit - not buying it, as he would have already known the outcome of the sinister apple festivle day.

2) If "God" is real, man is created in his image (many know this because that book, so blindly, followed tells them so) ...... ergo - "God" is a lying cheating child-molesting raping thieveng deviante murderer.

Ouch

Heh, just noticed something in the above - at least in my upbringing in a "God's" realm, the color black has always represented sin - what color has the bible of modern man been? lmao

Misfit

Black was attribute by ancient man as darkness, light was life giving and productivity while night was danger and the unknown, men learn to relate day with good and dark with bad and evil and that’s how heaven were the life giving sun was located to evil actually the first hell was in earth dark places so people tend to refer to hell as the bowels of the earth.

Ehhh..... Darkness is only an absence of light, not an object, light however is am electromagnetic wave. Darkness is nothing so therefore God can be pure light. But I don't know if you can say the same for good and evil because techhincally neither of those are objects either.

God created Lucifer as an angel...when he rebelled against God, and took his followers with him, they made themselves devils.

A devil is a fallen angel, an outcast of heaven.

God never created them as devils, they became devils when they were stripped of their place in heaven.

Originally posted by chief_counsellor
God created Lucifer as an angel...when he rebelled against God, and took his followers with him, they made themselves devils.

A devil is a fallen angel, an outcast of heaven.

God never created them as devils, they became devils when they were stripped of their place in heaven.

How can yall keep skipping over the all-knowing , all-powerful part according to your OWN beliefs God created him with the full knowledge that he would be and to BE the devil.

aas one other person pointed out God is sop to know the furture everthing to the end of time so if God know befor hand that eve was going to want a mid day snack the question arises why he put said snack in reach.
Think on it this way to everone who has children we buy cookies and put them in a jar then were do you put the jar ? Rember the kids know you bought the cookies . You say no cookies unless I tell you its ok then put the jar right on the counter were they can just reach up and get it?
All i can say is the cookies are going long befor you ever get the chance to dish them out lol. As a matter of fact the only assured way of making sure the kids dont get the cookies with out asking is to have them in your bed room locked up .
The point is that eve was curies just like the rest of us and couldent stand the idea of no knowing what it tasted like. So if God made us with curisity and then put the snack withing reach id have to say he sure dident know his creation very well

Simcity4Rushour,

I like your reasoning is funny and you make a good point.

You cant have it both ways.........


You cannot claim god is all knowing and then turn around and say that he was suprised at what we or the angels did.

We would have been created to perform EXACTLY as we did.


You cannot have a fixed destiny and freewill at the same time. He KNEW you were going to be a childmolester, murder, rapist, etc.

As a matter of fact you were created for JUST that purpose.

Wouldnt it have been just as easy NOT to create the evil angels or humans? You would not have to not allow evil just not create it.

Or did God make a mistake?

Ony humans have the power to make mistakes and BOY!!!!!!!!!!don't we all?

The devil is just man's scapegoat.

Originally posted by marg6043
Ony humans have the power to make mistakes and BOY!!!!!!!!!!don't we all?

The devil is just man's scapegoat.

So God intended for most of his creation to burn in eternal torment?

Humans were not the only created beings which had been given a "free will" by God. His angels were also given this ability to choose. Lucifer was not created as a evil being. God would know all possible outcomes of what Lucifer would do but if he knew exactly what he would do it wouldnt really be free will now would it.

Originally posted by ShadowXIX
Humans were not the only created beings which had been given a "free will" by God. His angels were also given this ability to choose. Lucifer was not created as a evil being. God would know all possible outcomes of what Lucifer would do but if he knew exactly what he would do it wouldnt really be free will now would it.

Either you are all knowing or not you cant have it both ways.

If God doesnt know the future then ALL the prophices in the bible are just Gods guesses then,.....right?

Ya beat me to it Amuk, you must have a Sporty, quik off the line, heh.

I would also like to know -
What the hell is the purpous of this "creation".
Why make it if you already know what's gonna happen?
Why make it if you don't, but yet do know most are going to hell?
Why send those to hell when it is something of ones' own creation?

Misfit

Why even create the ones that are going to hell to begin with?

All they do is make life hard for the good people right? Its like throughing a rattlesnake in with your two year old

Would you concieve a child if you knew that child was going to kill your other children?

[edit on 8-8-2004 by Amuk]