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“The difference between me and an atheist is basically this: It’s not about the existence of God. It’s: do we believe that there is room for the use of the word ‘God’ in some context? And a thoroughly consistent atheist would say, ‘No...”
“If not believing in a supernatural, theistic god is what distinguishes an atheist, then I am one too.”
“If God is God, he’s big enough; he can handle any questions I’ve got. Well, he didn’t. He didn’t measure up!”
“The love stuff is good. And you can still believe in that, and live a life like that. But the whole grand scheme of Christianity, for me, is just a bunch of bunk.”
“…like many students, I became agnostic – I didn’t believe any of it. I wasn’t reacting against it; I wasn’t abused, as many I talk to are. But I just said, ‘there’s nothing much there.”
“Oh, you can’t go through seminary and come out believing in God!”
“Just stick with what you’re doing; it pays good. It --- you’re not harming anybody, I don’t think [chuckle]. You’re doing good in your community; you’re respected. But it’s just gnawing away inside.”
“I think I’m doing it now because financially I don’t have a choice. I could quit and go in there today and say today, ‘I’m not coming back.’ But it would cause a huge financial burden on me. I mean, how would I continue to make my house payment and support my family?”
“. . . there are a lot of clergy out there who --- if you were to ask them --- if you were to list the five things that you think may be the most central beliefs of Christianity, they would reject every one of them.”
“One can be initiated into a conspiracy without a single word exchanged or secret handshake; all it takes is the dawning realization, beginning in seminary, that you and the others are privy to a secret, and that they know that you know, and you know that they know that you know. This is what is known to philosophers and linguists as mutual knowledge, and it plays a potent role in many social circumstances. Without any explicit agreement, mutual knowledge seals the deal: you then have no right to betray this bond by unilaterally divulging it, or even discussing it.”
“I went to college thinking Adam and Eve were real people. And I can remember really wrestling with that when my Old Testament professor was pointing out the obvious myths and how they came to be. And I kind of joked at the time that I prayed my way all the way to atheism.”
2 Thessalonians 2:3
“Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition”
Originally posted by klarkowski67
Interesting study and not at all suprising. Funny that the preachers call their congregation a flock as in sheep.
One was a comment credited to Henry Kissinger that the church had been infiltrated long ago. Whether there is proof that he made such a comment, I don’t know.
Originally posted by Klassified
reply to post by SaberTruth
Would you agree that the church as a whole would be better off shunning the christian educational system in favor of those who have studied on their own, and have shown a solid understanding of biblical doctrine and interpretation in order to preserve traditional beliefs?
Originally posted by LHP666
IMO it doesn't matter if he says it or not. It's the same bible. You cannot infiltrate a book.
Their problem is that too much information is coming out that shows christianity to be crap.
You're always going to have the True Believers. They're idiots imo.
I am grown now however and i have studied the Holy Bible for myself, i now have my own views. In retrospect i was introduced to Christ by a preacher who wasn't a believer. I however do believe because i've studied for MYSELF.
As for studying on their own, many of us do that. But who cares? Nobody listens to a nobody, regardless of the strength of argument or documentation. I've been working on a Greek/English interlinear and commentary for years, but I doubt more than a few dozen people will ever read it, much less take it seriously, because I have no credentials. But what if I happened to get an insight on something? You never know. It's like that lowly intern who insisted that all the medical authorities had been wrong for a long time, all over the world, about stomach ulcers; he insisted that his research showed heliobacter pylori as the cause, yet "conventional wisdom" said no bacteria could live in the stomach long enough to eat a hole in the lining. They were all wrong, and the intern was not arrogant. I don't claim to have achieved any great thing, but I sure am learning a lot just by doing the project, because I'm using sources that often conflict.
Don't know if I answered your question though.