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Ron Paul: End Obamacare, Abolish the IRS, Eliminate Support for Big Government

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posted on Jun, 10 2011 @ 02:15 PM
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Originally posted by The Old American
reply to post by boondock-saint
 

If telling the U.S. government "you can have what I've paid into it in the last 30 years", meant I'd never have to "contribute" another dime, I'd do it. Any takers?
/TOA


absolutely not !!!

Millions have contributed their hard
earned money to it. They would lose
every single dime they have invested
into the program. That is no different
than the gov stealing money again
from the people who contributed.
Absolutely not !!!

the people will want their money back.
They do not want to get robbed again.




posted on Jun, 10 2011 @ 02:19 PM
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boon man

my aunt never worked a day in her life and gets it she didnt pay into the system but yet reaps the benefits.

and there are millions just like her.



posted on Jun, 10 2011 @ 02:21 PM
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Originally posted by Advantage
His idea is to privatize it.


now there is the first contradiction
in Paul's ideas I've seen.

In one video Paul claims that the
SS is a ponzi scheme.

then in the next video he wants to
privatize it.

How can you privatize something
already illegal ?????
He is condoning criminal activity.



posted on Jun, 10 2011 @ 02:22 PM
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This isn't part of my plan, I would seek to phase it out over 25 to 40 years, but you bring up an interesting point.

Would you be willing to take a buyout for every cent you ever paid in, minus any benefits you have already received? A straight up refund? That might seem like a good deal to you, but in reality, that is probably the absolute cheapest way for the government to get out of this jam, and it just might work!

ETA:
If it were privatized, it would no longer be a ponzi scheme. It would be funded from a trust, and the government would no longer rob from it to support their other spending habits. It could be managed like any other investment trust.
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posted on Jun, 10 2011 @ 02:30 PM
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Originally posted by boondock-saint

Originally posted by Advantage
His idea is to privatize it.


now there is the first contradiction
in Paul's ideas I've seen.

In one video Paul claims that the
SS is a ponzi scheme.

then in the next video he wants to
privatize it.

How can you privatize something
already illegal ?????
He is condoning criminal activity.



I THINK you need to maybe click on the link...


Here it is again
www.thepoliticalguide.com...
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posted on Jun, 10 2011 @ 02:31 PM
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Originally posted by getreadyalready
Would you be willing to take a buyout for every cent you ever paid in, minus any benefits you have already received? A straight up refund? That might seem like a good deal to you, but in reality, that is probably the absolute cheapest way for the government to get out of this jam, and it just might work!


IMO, this is the only way it should work.
Treat Social Security like a stock controlled
corporation to wit everybody who has
contributed is a stockholder.

Dissolve the SS Corporation and distribute
it's assets to the stockholders in the equivalent
of what they have contributed (accounting for
cost of living adjustments and value of the dollar
when contributed).

Each contributor gets a 1 time lump sum payment
and dissolve Social Security. Forget about privatizing
it as it will only further waste the resources to do so.
Then subject SS to the history books as bankrupt.

if you have paid in nothing, then you get nothing.
And your ending dividend cannot supersede your
contributions.

You cannot deduct uses out of the dividend due
to they were paid out before the actual bankrupt
took place.

But just stopping it altogether and robbing
folks of their contributions would cause
anarchy.



posted on Jun, 10 2011 @ 02:37 PM
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the only problem social security has no assets hence the term ponzi scheme.

the cash being paid into ss right now is paid out as soon as it gets there.



posted on Jun, 10 2011 @ 02:39 PM
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Basically I like Dr. Paul but I could never vote for anyone that wants to steal my tax dollars that I have already paid into the system. Privatize....to who? Another corrupt govt. contractor like Haliburton?

Privatize SS, then privatize the VA and the Indian Health Service and all the other Socialist giveaways of my tax dollars.

God, I sound like a conservative!


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posted on Jun, 10 2011 @ 02:39 PM
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That would cut the federal budget in half. The half employed to come up with new ways to syphon our wallets dry. It makes sense, but Bildeburg would triple their campaign budget to keep people opinionated that he's unelectable. If that didn't work, assassination squad.
Boondock-saint, he wants to return the gov to the state when the american people were what made this country great. When the government wasnt regulating free market so people could succeed on their talents.Before the IRS started shutting down little kids lemonade stands and shutting down dairy farms because the amish won't dance with them. When money was valued for what it was and the government couldnt spend what it did not have.
We discovered electricity, invented flight, a 1000 other advances in technology. We cared about and helped our neighbors(we still do but fed say they will send more using OUR money, and yet things never seem to improve). I know what would have happened during Katrina had Bush not blockaded Louisiana. Had armed military not stopped and made my stepbro leave out with a donated trailer, generators and other supplies. These obvious FREQUENT incidents of criminal incompetence by the federal scream we're going in the wrong direction.

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posted on Jun, 10 2011 @ 02:42 PM
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Originally posted by boondock-saint

Originally posted by The Old American
reply to post by boondock-saint
 

If telling the U.S. government "you can have what I've paid into it in the last 30 years", meant I'd never have to "contribute" another dime, I'd do it. Any takers?
/TOA


absolutely not !!!

Millions have contributed their hard
earned money to it. They would lose
every single dime they have invested
into the program. That is no different
than the gov stealing money again
from the people who contributed.
Absolutely not !!!

the people will want their money back.
They do not want to get robbed again.


Then they can stay in. Let me and people who don't like theft to opt out.

/TOA



posted on Jun, 10 2011 @ 02:44 PM
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but you have no problems voting for people who have and continue to steal your tax dollars of which you already have paid in



posted on Jun, 10 2011 @ 02:45 PM
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Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by boondock-saint
 

the only problem social security has no assets hence the term ponzi scheme.
the cash being paid into ss right now is paid out as soon as it gets there.


so do the people suffer cuz the gov
or bankers played black jack with their
money and lost ???

there should be prison terms here and their
wealth confiscated and added back into SS.

basically it would the same exact thing that
the banks are doing to the people. But in
reverse.

The people are foreclosing this time.



posted on Jun, 10 2011 @ 02:48 PM
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Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by whaaa
 


but you have no problems voting for people who have and continue to steal your tax dollars of which you already have paid in


I admit I voted for Obama, but my support dwindled down to nothing when he sided with the neocons.

I have expressed this many times in previous posts. What's your point? Are you baiting me?



posted on Jun, 10 2011 @ 02:48 PM
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we already do and i dont consider it to be black jack at least there you have some chance

as opposed to no chance with the current system.

the fact is government should have kept it grubby hands off it but they havent

and we all are where we are because of it and people are suffering.

and it will become worse.



posted on Jun, 10 2011 @ 02:49 PM
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no man i just dont see how anyone can vote for those people who have stolen your money

and its not a left or right issue

government has stolen ss for decades both sides.



posted on Jun, 10 2011 @ 02:52 PM
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Originally posted by neo96
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no man i just dont see how anyone can vote for those people who have stolen your money

and its not a left or right issue

government has stolen ss for decades both sides.


So you haven't paid into SS then? Did you vote for a dem or GOP? Why the criticism for what is the law.



posted on Jun, 10 2011 @ 02:58 PM
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why the criticism?

because what i have paid in has been stolen what you have paid in has been stolen what we all have paid in has been stolen for decades.

and that isnt good enough they have moved on to raiding the pensions.

government greed knows no bounds when does it stop?

taking the cookie jar away from their geedy hands is the only sure way to stop it.



posted on Jun, 10 2011 @ 03:07 PM
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Originally posted by whaaa


So you haven't paid into SS then? Did you vote for a dem or GOP? Why the criticism for what is the law.



Well, IMO it shouldnt be a law.. since the money we paid in has evaporated.
What I and my husband have paid in since 1987/88 will not be available for either of us when we are of age to receive this "insurance".



posted on Jun, 10 2011 @ 03:07 PM
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Lets legalize herion and prostitution!!! Go Ron Paul!!!
www.focusfeatures.com...







Slide 8: Christiane F - City of DrugsThe eponymous Christianne F. of Uli Edel’s 1981 film was based on a real West German teenager who lived in the Neukoln area of the city. By the time she was 15, Christianne F. was a heroin addict and prostitute, working with other young junkies at the Bahnof Zoo train station. She was interviewed by two journalists researching an article on youth and drug addiction, and those transcripts formed the basis of an autobiographical book, Christianne F — Wir Kinder vom Bahnoff Zoo. The 1979 memoir was an unlikely international success, and Christianne F. went on to work as an advisor to the film, which parallels the book in not only chronicling drugged-out Berlin street kids but also the equally narcotics-drenched club scene of the time, a milieu mined by David Bowie and Iggy Pop for albums like, respectively, Low and The Passenger. Despite the bleakness of Edel’s film and its unflinching look at heroin withdrawal, it was a cult hit and Christianne became an unlikely role model. From a 1981 Time Magazine piece on the film’s opening: “As teen-agers packed theaters last week to see the cinematic Christiane F., played by Natja Brunckhorst, 14, experts on drug abuse feared that despite the film's realistic scenes of drug withdrawal, West German youths might be turning the former addict into a cult heroine and possibly a role model. Many teen-age girls have begun to imitate Christiane's style of dress and make pilgrimages to her former haunts. Complains Wolf Heckmann, West Berlin's drug commissioner: ‘The book and film have increased interest in drugs in this city. Kids who come to visit used to ask to see the Berlin Wall. Now they want to see the Zoo Station.’"


You have to be a idiot to think herion and prostitution should be legal. And you think no one will want to do it? You must be a idiot. And for those people who own businesses. Do you think you will be able to fire a employee who is doped up if the dope is legal? You can't fire a smoker.

Do you really want your kids to look like this?
www.life.com...

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posted on Jun, 10 2011 @ 03:10 PM
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yeah it wont be my mother is her late 70s

only to find out that social security is not enough to live on

and my mother is still working to make ends meet.
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