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The psychology of Homosexuality

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posted on Jun, 11 2011 @ 01:06 AM
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Originally posted by MJZoo

Originally posted by dontreally

If youre born gay - its not to remain gay - but to overcome the challenge. If due to his current circumstances i feel hes not in a position to respond ammenably to my help, then i have no choice but to tolerate this.


Yeah and what's up with all these people being born with down syndrome and not being able to overcome THAT challenge? Geez people, lets get it together.
Oh and black people. THEY MAKE SKIN WHITENERS. Dont be afraid to be white!!!

It's funny that what you have to offer him you actually consider "help" With friends like you, who needs enemies.


im liking these ideas

i say we mj all those people and get those down people up asap

i say you for president if you have any more of those gems


with that said

im pretty much against the gay thing but now that im actually thinking about it

we could probably use this to our advantage


being gay it seems is natures way of stopping dirty genes

for if youre gay, you sure wont be having kids and passing those genes on

and when you look around, we're over populated, mainly by a bunch of morons

perhaps if enough of the dumb ones turn gay and dont let the dumb genes procreate, perhaps we will have a future without gays or dumbs, what a utopian idea

i say lets find the gay gene and implant it into all morons and corrupt politicians, our world will be back in order in no time
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posted on Jun, 11 2011 @ 01:39 AM
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Desires can indeed be changed and all you have to do is look at what desires are to see how easy it is for desires to change.



posted on Jun, 11 2011 @ 02:00 AM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.



Sexual orientation is a non-issue. It's non issue politically, it's a non issue socially and it should be so in religion as well.

People need to stop giving each other a hard time for being attracted to each other. It's become ridiculous, and now it's borderline insanity.

As far as the religious part, I respect anybody who wishes to put their faith in something, but I think God has far much more to worry about then where we put our junk.

Also when you look down on people for making personal choices that don't hurt or effect anybody else but the parties involved, you are making those people less human, and therefore being a durp.

People should not be durps.

~Keeper

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.

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posted on Jun, 11 2011 @ 02:09 AM
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Originally posted by Tasty Canadian
I have a gay nephew who was effeminate from the time he was 4 years old. CLEARLY there was no "desire" or "feeling" or CHOICE involved. It is simply nature.


Please - let's not stereotype. Not all gays are effeminate.

But - yes my best friends son is gay. When he was 4 years old you could tell. Somehow you just knew. And he was not effeminate.

There was just something different. A different feeling - - which can't really be described.



posted on Jun, 11 2011 @ 02:28 AM
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ok this thread is getting really annoying. It always starts out the same majority of the time it is some religious troll who seems to think it's their personal mission in life to make other people miserable until they beg them to be saved. The funnies form of violence is that of puppetry and manipulation, it is so wonderful to see just how masterful religious people are. Keep your opinions to yourself, if people wanna be saved then they'll go to your bloody church, otherwise leave your damn religion in the pulpit or even your own personal home where it belongs, and keep it there.

I think the more aggressive a religion is in shoving their values into other people's faces, the more likely they aren't any true religion, because either all religions are right (in which case we don't have to adopt your beliefs necessarily) or only one religion is right and it certainly cannot be the more pushy, indoctrinating agressive ones.

I would ask that the mods permanently silence gay themed threads. They have no place in a conspiracy forum. Not even for this gay agenda, as far as I'm concerned this plastic disposable quick screw lifestyle is the result of a morally bankrupt society, sure gays engage in this morally bankrupt behaviour more often than not, but there are those out there who are actually in love with each other. The real threat and the real problem is that people are being divided like no other time. We are divided because marriage isn't the same anymore, it is a revokeable act and people go through several of them, and after watching the previous morally bankrupt generation this generation thinks that they may as well just skip the hassle of getting married, and gain the benefit of not being committed (or so they think). the previous generation, out of greed, lust and all those characteristics your bible describes as sin.

For me there is something important in having a bond with someone that has sancticty, and unfortunately in today's morally bankrupt society people have really ruined that I really lucked out getting settled down. Most people will get put through hell and back because there are just too many of these ignorant selfish pricks out there, and so after a few rounds even the more hardened folk who want one item of quality over a lifetime of disposible crap, begin to crack and weaken under this outright robbery of dignity,

You religious nuts fail to realize the dishonour in your ways in that you are robbing other people of their dignity as human beings with your venomous words. Is that what you feel is necessary to indoctrinate followers, is to use the most venemous words and threats you can think of to terrify people into begging your christian god for forgiveness? You're not even willing to be nice and ignore the gayness for a little while and try to lure the fags in with some honey?

How undiplomatic. Way to really try hard winning the hearts and the minds of the people, you are really effective salesman of the cause of god! Seriously I mean I couldn't have done a better job than you unless if I were actually kind to these people and didn't have the malintent that you people have.

if people go to hell what does it matter to you? You wouldn't want those people in your perfect little kingdom anyways, according to your religion there is always plenty of room in hell.



posted on Jun, 11 2011 @ 02:33 AM
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I understand you completely and am In a similar position with a friend I grew up from birth with. I never thought about it as deep as you have and I thank you and I am going to show my friend this because at the moment he is really confused and I can totally see the way society has conditioned his thought pattern and wow as of late I have noticed he's been really 'Liber'-like.

I see how people can take your message the wrong way and think you're saying being gay is a condition that needs to be cured/overcome by the individual. My friend has come to terms with his feelings with tossing the societal template out the window he has realized that it is society and the modern environment that has molded his psyche his entire life to what it was recently. He is in a position where he now is attracted to both sexes but he feels awkward expressing his new feelings because everyone is so used to him being 'downright gay' that he's suppressing his feelings because of what others stereotype him as.

All I know is whatever behind the scene ploy that has been going on here, it sure as hell is working messing with people. The modern typical human has become so deeply twisted but as of late I have been seeing the seeker spark within the average Joe more and more around me.

Goodday!



posted on Jun, 11 2011 @ 03:50 AM
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I think being gay is actually one's pituitary gland being extra sensitive to estrogen we all create, not an imbalance, just being uber sensitive. Also what's interesting is every other "gland" we've got in our body happens to be the same location as every "chakra".... so tie in the pineal gland and gonads with the pituitary gland, and I guess you've got many possibilities. Bi... Gay... Flamboyantly gay... Sex-change gay. Anyone who undergoes a sex change ALWAYS believes(mentally) they are already of that sex anyway. Look at it scientifically or mystically, but they are born this way.



posted on Jun, 11 2011 @ 05:04 AM
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You might want to watch the special before you give your impression of a story of a Boy who starting at the age of 4 was Degraded for Basic impulses and who's father was blamed for him being a "sissy boy" Who then devolved into severe alcoholism. Religion is wonderful, and I respect your beliefs However if you spend 3 weeks on a working farm, Animal rescue or just watching animal behaviors you will see that Homosexuality IS Natural. However in most cases of social mammals it is a response to over population...and before anyone has a fit over that comment, ask a cattle farmer. In Cows raise for slaughter, which are almost exclusively male, the drive to procreate with a female is all but complete gone.



posted on Jun, 11 2011 @ 05:17 AM
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its really simple: We are souls ...beings..who are not male or female..we have aspects of both in us. But we ARE not one of both Some souls decide to become gay for learning reasons (for them and for others).
Other souls incarnated as a gender they are not used in and still feel attracted to the other gender.

It can have thousand reasons to be gay..but it also can have thousand reasons to be not gay..

Both isnt what we are...in the higher dimensions such thing as gender do not really identify us...they are more like "colors" of our whole being.



posted on Jun, 11 2011 @ 05:24 AM
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To the OP, open your mind. You can't cure homosexuality. Jesus what is wrong with people




posted on Jun, 11 2011 @ 05:31 AM
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As a homosexual, I think this is BS. What gives heterosexuals the right to perform experiments, to decided why we are the way we are. I mean, homosexual occurs in nature, other animals have homosexual tendencies as well. Can't they just accept that its something normal and stop trying to find the reason "WHY". What causes people to be Homosexual?

And please dont give me "GOD's" opinion. Out species is not affected by homosexuality, In my opinion, i think its better off.



posted on Jun, 11 2011 @ 05:36 AM
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Curing homosexuality would equate to curing religion



posted on Jun, 11 2011 @ 06:15 AM
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I "overcame" religion years ago. It was nothing but a gathering of like people for group therapy. To overcome it took critical thinking, which is seriously lacking in today's society.



posted on Jun, 11 2011 @ 06:16 AM
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You are born that way. Period.



posted on Jun, 11 2011 @ 06:29 AM
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Like it or not, there are two kinds of homosexuals:

those created by nurture:

and

those created by nature:

The 'born this way' argument is half false; and the ' made this way' argument is also half false, and therefore are equally valid.

Why can't people understand there is never a single truth to any complex situation?

Any hard-liner can go F*** themselves. I don't need your validation to know the truth about homosexuality; or Heterosexuality, for that matter.

Grow up, people. Consider yourself a coin--- you could have landed on either side.

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you... right?

I ended up heterosexual. I am happy to be who I am. Would you deprive another human being the same joy because they acknowledge who they are?



posted on Jun, 11 2011 @ 06:34 AM
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Originally posted by SaturnFX
Yes
I am a liberal atheist (however, I do admit a fondness of wine).
I also, by day to day action and interaction, -appear- to have more principles and conservative values than those proclaiming themselves as conservatives.

Therefore yes, liberalism represents, to me, freedom to choose and committment to work together to benefit the whole.
no pagan gods required...(however, yes, wine does help...)

The difference between the poltical stances for social values is simple
conservatives proclaim moral superiority, and use deitys to excuse their behavior.
liberals understand human nature drives towards betterment and antisocial behaviors. aka, we don't blame the devil when we do bad stuff...we blame a lack of principles.

The dangerous part is your minor in psychology (a little bit of knowledge) mixed with pseudo-religious connections.

There is homosexual behavior in nature...the animal kingdom has approximately the same amount of homosexual animals as the human population, so stick that in your environmental factor hat...you think wolves are watching glee?


Saturn, were I not gay I'd probably want to marry you


Oh and thanks, couldn't have said it better myself!



posted on Jun, 11 2011 @ 07:24 AM
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Homophobes Want It


The authors investigated the role of homosexual arousal in exclusively heterosexual men who admitted negative affect toward homosexual individuals. Participants consisted of a group of homophobic men (n = 35) and a group of nonhomophobic men (n = 29); they were assigned to groups on the basis of their scores on the Index of Homophobia (W. W. Hudson & W. A. Ricketts, 1980). The men were exposed to sexually explicit erotic stimuli consisting of heterosexual, male homosexual, and lesbian videotapes, and changes in penile circumference were monitored. They also completed an Aggression Questionnaire (A. H. Buss & M. Perry, 1992). Both groups exhibited increases in penile circumference to the heterosexual and female homosexual videos. Only the homophobic men showed an increase in penile erection to male homosexual stimuli. The groups did not differ in aggression. Homophobia is apparently associated with homosexual arousal that the homophobic individual is either unaware of or denies. PMID: 8772014 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]



posted on Jun, 11 2011 @ 07:48 AM
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If you want to justify homosexuality, it cannot by definition be justified as a "law" of ones physical constitution, but as a moral preference. It is a moral decision at the end of the day.


Maybe it's a moral decision for you, but to the people that are born gay, it is a biological imperative, just as strong as your biological imperative to mate with the opposite sex. By your logic my rabbit use to make a moral decision when he started humping the other male in the cage as opposed to the 2 females he had to choose from.



posted on Jun, 11 2011 @ 07:49 AM
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I just want to post this here: It Gets Better



Many LGBT youth can't picture what their lives might be like as openly gay adults. They can't imagine a future for themselves. So let's show them what our lives are like, let's show them what the future may hold in store for them.


These are videos of adults (gay and straight, but mostly gay) talking to young LGBT kids who might be struggling with acceptance and dealing with the world as an LGBT youth. It's really a fantastic project and I support it completely!

Moving on...


Originally posted by dontreally
A woman can go about without a head scarf, she can have a job like a man.


And a man can stay home with and nurture the kids. It is done all the time in healthy families. Human beings are versatile like that. Adults of our species are both very capable of taking care of their children, And as you probably know, there are some species where the male takes care of the young. As humans, it is possible for men AND women to care for the young. What's your point?


Originally posted by dontreally
Ok. Follow your logic. You totally believe that, yet homosexuality doesnt undermine that dynamic? How so?


You claim homosexuality undermines the male/female dynamic somehow. You are the one making these illusive claims about dynamics being imbalanced. I hold different beliefs than you. I do not believe that the male/female dynamics is messed up at all. I believe that each of us has male and female energy counterparts within ourselves. Each person must find their own balance. And it may be more female or may be more male. It's a personal matter and not something to be measured against others in society.

If you want me to believe that homosexuality imbalances something, you're going to have to convince me. But if previous posts are any indication, you're going to have a hell of a time doing it. I don't hold the bible as any more relevant than any other book or thought... and certainly your personal interpretation of the bible isn't going to help the cause. I have read it several times myself and have my own interpretations.

So, it's not for me to explain to you how homosexuality doesn't mess up some male/female dynamic.


Originally posted by dontreally
- the morality we should live up to -


You are not the authority on morals. You can take the position of such, but you are sadly mistaken. You have no more authority than ANYONE on how we "should" behave or what morals we "should" have. These are YOUR morals and they are for YOU. Live by them. But pushing them on others is a fool's game. You seem to have convinced yourself that your opinion is right and any dissenters are wrong as if you have some kind of inside info or direct line to the ultimate authority... Well, you don't. You are a human being, just like the rest of us and have no better information than anyone else. You have opinions, just like the rest of us.



posted on Jun, 11 2011 @ 07:54 AM
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"Only the homophobic men showed an increase in penile erection to male homosexual stimuli."

That leads me to conclude homophobic men aren't homosexuals, they simply lack control over their own mind. Which I believe someone who would explore their sexuality fully (in their minds) acquires. They see genitals getting rubbed and have no inhibition since they've avoided the subject their entire life. Some only have one inhibition which is wearing clothes, people wearing clothes, there's no sex going on, no one is procreating there's no arousal. And when confronted with the subject (sex) they react in a typical manly way and get aroused because that is what everyone expects of healthy men, to become aroused when exposed to sex, that's how they have conditioned themselves. But becoming exposed by a sexual act which they would never choose to watch their brain just interprets it and reacts as if it were watching porn, since it never considered anything other which might prevent the reaction.

That is why I believe any heterosexual male should define sex clearly for themselves (as an act of procreation) and watch gay porn once in their life and tell the brain it's not really sex but just 2 naked people of the same gender rubbing themselves. Besides that the brain should be told many more reasons against homosexuality so to leave no room for any doubt. That way they'll be less uncomfortable being around gays which would lead to less conflict, then everybody can be happy.
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