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The psychology of Homosexuality

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posted on Jun, 10 2011 @ 12:51 PM
reply to post by xxsomexpersonxx

In the most metaphysical terms, there is a juntion point, an energy "conversion point" that is located in the base chakra, when the channel is turned inwards then "exit" becomes "entry" - combined with the "nerve", "desire" occurs and it results in the modern "gay".

So in essence, yes, it is born, that being said, desire itself is an electrical impulse, as the ego system runs on electricity - the soul is based on sound and in the pre-ego state, we did not experience "desire" and pleasure was never anticipated - a man would feel unhappy if he did not have a child, and would feel complete when he knew that he had completed himself.

"Recreational" sex was experienced by children who were not as yet capable of producing offspring of thier own - when the time came and they had children, thier innocence turned into adulthood.

Most of all our complex emotions, and deeper emotions, have been lost to the system, most of what people experience are physical feelings, much like immature children, our spirts essentially do not function as they should, leaving most people a corrupted mess, spiritually vaccuous, desperatley pusuing pleasure without any real sense of purpose.

posted on Jun, 10 2011 @ 12:55 PM

Originally posted by dontreally
reply to post by SaturnFX

So, liberalis, and liber, have no grammatical, philosophical connection?

And im ignorant in trying to make a connection between the worship of Liber - a symbol for what liberalism represents (hence him being a god of wine - inhibition) and the word liberal?


I am a liberal atheist (however, I do admit a fondness of wine).
I also, by day to day action and interaction, -appear- to have more principles and conservative values than those proclaiming themselves as conservatives.

Therefore yes, liberalism represents, to me, freedom to choose and committment to work together to benefit the whole.
no pagan gods required...(however, yes, wine does help...)

The difference between the poltical stances for social values is simple
conservatives proclaim moral superiority, and use deitys to excuse their behavior.
liberals understand human nature drives towards betterment and antisocial behaviors. aka, we don't blame the devil when we do bad stuff...we blame a lack of principles.

The dangerous part is your minor in psychology (a little bit of knowledge) mixed with pseudo-religious connections.

There is homosexual behavior in nature...the animal kingdom has approximately the same amount of homosexual animals as the human population, so stick that in your environmental factor think wolves are watching glee?

I recommend talking to your collective peers...the people with advanced psychological degrees...psyche 101 is simply the understanding of the powerful motivations of the mind. cause and effect of environmental factors..yes, some can experiment with bisexuality in a closed environment (prison gay sort of thing), but even in those areas, with lifers, you will find they turn their "girls" girly...making them wear what passes for makeup...wearing t-shirts on their head to look like long hair, etc...basically creating the illusion of females before they can preform.

That is where psychology can come in handy, and their "cure" comes with the second a actual female is available.

posted on Jun, 10 2011 @ 12:58 PM
Thank the Gods no one has starred this crap yet.

OP, let me give you some advice: worry less about your gay cousin and more about stuff that matters. Like war, death, taxes, healthcare, etc. You should, in fact, be happy for your cousin considering he has apparently found a partner that he enjoys spending time with. We should all be so lucky...

posted on Jun, 10 2011 @ 12:59 PM

Originally posted by havok
Sexual intercourse is meant for one thing : Reproduction.
Mankind has turned it into a pleasure laden experience.

Pretty basic understanding
Food is meant for one purpose only, to sustain life...yet we do enjoy our spices.
Just saying..

And SaturnFX, why bother?
Everyone has the freedom to voice their opinion here.
Doesn't mean you have to agree!

Mostly because I am bored. There is no good alien or technology thread going, looking for something to kill a couple hours in philosophical back and forth.

about 90% of my postings on ATS comes from boredom and seeking out some sort of stimulation while I wait for the phone to ring...its either this or play minesweeper.

posted on Jun, 10 2011 @ 01:01 PM
Here are some links to read:


Dr. Drew Tackles the “Ex-Gay” Industry

Exclusive Video: Married Gay Couple Met at ‘Ex-Gay’ Ministry

You can make the choice to live a straight life - - but your whole body and consciousness knows you are living a lie - - you will never be straight.

posted on Jun, 10 2011 @ 01:01 PM
Since Psychology is in the thread title I present the following:

Karen Hooker executed the first psychological test done to test for biological determinism in 1957, on a grant from the National Institute of Mental Health [2]. The study was meant to explore the relationship between homosexuality and psychological development and illness. Hooker studied both homosexuals and heterosexuals. Both groups were matched for age, intelligence quotient (IQ) and education level, and were then subjected to three psychological tests. These three tests, the Rorschach, Thematic Apperception Test (TAT) and the Make-A-Picture-Story Test (MAPS), were then analyzed by psychologists, and the results were tabulated. The results of Hooker's experiment yielded no significant differences in answers on any of the three tests. Because both groups' answers scored very similarly, she concluded a zero correlation between social determinism of sexuality.
As a result of Hooker's finding, the APA removed homosexuality from its Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Psychological Disorders in 1973. In 1975 it then released a public statement that homosexuality was not a mental disorder. In 1994, two decades later, the APA finally stated, "...homosexuality is neither a mental illness nor a moral depravity. It is the way a portion of the population expresses human love and sexuality" [2].


posted on Jun, 10 2011 @ 01:09 PM
The OP is Judgmental of others. No amount of psychology will take away the disgust from your mind; why on earth would you think on the level of intimacy between others? You are judging others and that is a sin beyond the sinner who has the opportunity to Forgive themselves by not Judging others.

It is the classic Stone parable.

I am glad your cousin has not come out to you or your family regardless of your "Allusions", which I interpret as innuendos, towards "acceptance". I sense ruthlessness in those words as you climb toward your Maker! Shameful really, all masked in such a tidy little package! I bet you point fingers too!

No Flag No Star, get off the Homo-wagon and worry about your own imaginative self!

posted on Jun, 10 2011 @ 01:10 PM
reply to post by SaturnFX

Look at the word Idol, Idyll, and Ideal. Do not imagine that the phonetic similarities between the 3 words; the I-D-L repitition, is a coincidence (although im sure you think that).

Idol: 1st meaning: An image or representation of a god used as an object of worship
2nd meaning: A person or thing that is greatly admired, loved, or revered

Idyll: An extremely happy, peaceful, or picturesque episode or scene, typically an idealized or unsustainable one

Ideal: A standard of perfection; a principle to be aimed at

Now, of course the ignorant masses in pagan rome knew nothing of the inner meaning in the worship of the gods, but the elite, the elect, knew the metaphysical/philosophical significance.

An idol, is a person or thing greatly admired. An idol - is the physical representation - in symbol - of the thing admired. An Idyll - is the literal picture - or 'archetype', or in anthropological terms, the 'imagistic' mode, where ones experience of a particular reality is how one knows it. And the 'ideal', is "a standard of perfection, a principle to be aimed at". These all more or less express the same reality, just from different aspects.

Now, i never said you were a pagan worshipper. But at the CORE, and metaphysical/philosophical foundations of ancient god worship, what was worshipped was not the statue (although that initself is stupid) but an IDEAL. An idea which so grasped the minds, hearts and ambition of those who believed in it, that it become a virtual object of worship.

This is what the ancient philosophers meant by their mythologies. It is all metaphysical philosophy.

There is homosexual behavior in nature...the animal kingdom has approximately the same amount of homosexual animals as the human population, so stick that in your environmental factor think wolves are watching glee?

Man is not animals. An animal cannot - by definition - change or reverse its instinctual programming. A human being can - and for good reason. I can desire this pack of nerds ( like candy) but knowing its full of chemicals and other crap, i wont eat it. This is me using my reason - my enlightened understanding - against an emotional desire.
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posted on Jun, 10 2011 @ 01:14 PM
Anyone know who George Rekers is? Ya gotta read the article just to hear his excuse.

'Lucien' the escort: Anti-gay minister George Allan Rekers is homosexual who bought nude massages


The anti-gay crusader snared this week in a gay sex scandal is a homosexual who "liked being rubbed down there," the escort at the center of the flap confirmed in a new interview.

During a recent vacation on which the escort accompanied George Alan Rekers, the Baptist minister paid for daily nude body rubs, the man identified as "Lucien" told the Miami New Times. He told the newspaper Rekers created a name for his preferred massage technique - "the long stroke," a rubdown that involves complex below-the-belt touching.

posted on Jun, 10 2011 @ 01:26 PM
Returned to the board. Sorry about the slip. It happens.

posted on Jun, 10 2011 @ 01:30 PM
reply to post by intrepid


You're a godless, liberal, homosexual sent to disrupt our god-given mission to expose your kind as the abominations you really are!

posted on Jun, 10 2011 @ 01:34 PM
So how would one explain the research being done now into the minds ability to heal itself?

Ive read many articles on neuroplasticity showing research that the mind - through thought and repitition of actions - can literally alter the brains physical anatomy.

If one believes in the ability to 'heal yourself' through thought, then it follows, one could redirect his sexual energy towards the proper sex. Only if you maintain that sexual preference is a product of the brains anatomy can reversing it be considered impossible. But you cannot hold both views; that the brain can 'rewire' itself, as this article explains, but not rewire itself with regards to sexual preference. Thats just dishonest. If one can rewire the brain, then ALL emotional disturbances can be corrected.
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posted on Jun, 10 2011 @ 01:34 PM

Originally posted by dontreally

I can desire this pack of nerds ( like candy) but knowing its full of chemicals and other crap, i wont eat it. This is me using my reason - my enlightened understanding - against an emotional desire.

It doesn't change the fact it is still candy.

A person who is gay can choose not to act on it. They can choose to live a straight life.

Just as a straight person can choose to live a gay life. How many of those do you know - by the way?

It still doesn't change the fact - you are still gay or straight.

But why should a person go against their natural birth gender attraction? Its natural to them. There is no analogy comparison to a food with chemicals - - because their is nothing unnatural about being born gay.

posted on Jun, 10 2011 @ 01:36 PM

Originally posted by dontreally
If one believes in the ability to 'heal yourself' through thought, then it follows, one could redirect his sexual energy towards the proper sex. Only if you maintain that sexual preference is a product of the brains anatomy can reversing it be considered impossible. But you cannot hold both views.

Heal yourself? From what?

Are you saying you are gay and trying to heal yourself through psychology?

posted on Jun, 10 2011 @ 01:38 PM
Is it just me or anybody else thinks this way too:

All the problems in the world are caused by people who simply cannot go on and mind their own bussiness. They always have to do some meddling. This applies to the OP as well.

If someone cannot see an event/an action without a biased optics - he/she should not look at that at all.

posted on Jun, 10 2011 @ 01:41 PM
reply to post by Annee

I was making a philosophical point. Man can go against his natural, instictual impulses. This was in response to saturns statement that because some animals exhibit homosexual tendencies in nature - it gives man licence to aswell. I explained through the above example that Animals and Humans are on two different levels. Because the former possesses no ability to counteract a natural tendency, it cannot be expected to. But because Man can, it is inferred (if youre the type of person who believes the world is teaching what NOT, and what to do - since both aspects, good and bad, exist within nature. The bad exists to teach us whats good) that he should counteract tendecies that go against reason.

To go further into this would be useless. Why should male and female go together, and not male and male? I wouldnt expect someone who believes in alien races to understand.
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posted on Jun, 10 2011 @ 01:42 PM
And, just for good measure:

Psychoanalytic theory holds that homophobia - the fear, anxiety, anger, discomfort and aversion that some heterosexual people hold for gay individuals - is the result of repressed homosexual urges that the person is either unaware or denies. A study provides empirical evidence that is consistent with that theory.

Selfhelp Magazine

posted on Jun, 10 2011 @ 01:43 PM

Originally posted by dontreally
I myself have had homosexual feelings.

Um... You may be homosexual and repressed your feelings. That's OK for you. But who says all gay people WANT to be any different? Why should they? They're fine the way they are, regardless of YOUR personal beliefs. If you don't want to be gay, then go for it. Good luck to you. But gay people don't need to be healed.

If a gay person WANTS to change, then I'm all for it. But none I have ever met have had any problem with their sexuality. It's OTHER people that do. That's THEIR problem, not the gay person's.

You know what's even easier that a gay person becoming straight?

For YOU to stop judging them.

Originally posted by havok
Sexual intercourse is meant for one thing : Reproduction.

Not in my house.

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posted on Jun, 10 2011 @ 01:49 PM
reply to post by Annee

lol.... thats funny.

No. Im saying i have experienced homosexual feelings and i could if i wanted to experience them. You too aswell - if youre were thoughtful enough - could engineer the feelings. Though despite the above - i am entirely attracted to females. I just choose females because for one, i am perfectly comfortable with the intensity of my desire for them, and two, it is morally, and reasonably preferable.

This is a basically natural thing. Emotions are a lesser level of energy then the mind. Consciousness - thought and reason - are meant to direct emotion.

True, emotions exist within man before reason develops. From the youngest age we act like animals, chasing after the things we desire; and when we dont have what we want, we cry and complain. A mature adult however with a fully developed reason should recognize certain patterns and dynamics in reality.

The sky for instance was deified as the 'father' because it is 'without; and beyond. This notion is dynamically akin to the semen - which comes from without - that a man injects into the female. Who, within her womb, gives expression to a new born creation. The analogy: the sky is 'without' an abstract energy. It gives of its nourishment - rain, to the earth - the feminine (hence mother nature) who gives EXPRESSION to this potential through verdure, and the animals that feed off the verdure etc.

Life is one big massive analogy. And Humankind with the power of reason is supposed to recognize, understand and REFLECT this natural, harmonious dyanmic in our day to day life. In our socieities. In our family life. With a man married to a woman; just as we see throughout the creation. The male and female principles are at work and they are the thesis and antithesis of creation. These two poles work together. When one is too much in control, an imbalance develops, and this imbalance creates a chaotic, hyper emotional, "evil" reality in which human beings currently live.

posted on Jun, 10 2011 @ 01:50 PM
My opinion towards "the psychology of Homosexuality": The real homosexuals, meaning, those who don't do it because of the thrill or because they wondered into some extreme sub culture... the real one, are born this way. They can't help beying who they are and feeling what they feel and there is no remedy or brain-pattern altering to change that.

I was lucky to grow up with two of the most increadable good and polite boys you can imagine, one of them was my nephew who was adopted from Indonesia when he was 3 years old and is two years younger then me. The other was a kid my age living in my street.
In both of them you could just see or feel that they where going to be homosexuals, it was in their 'beying' since young age... both turned out to be gay. My nephew came out around age 18, but by that time we all already knew it, we knew long before he did because you could just tell... The boy from my street once told my sis that he felt like a girl in a boys bodie, he must have been around 12 years old when he first said that. He turned out to be a gay transvestite and is now making a living with live transvestite entertaining cabaret.
Both of them had a normal family, normal education... nothing out of the ordinary, except that they both turned out to favor the same sex relationships because it felt 'right' to them. None of them can explain why they feel this way, they just do.
One thing is for sure though, you could already tell when they where children and they hadn't learned the concept of 'gay' yet.

So my opinion, they where born this way.

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