I want to be dragged back! And, as for the 11% that don't have ID, I suggest they get some. It's pretty simple. Voter fraud should be something that concerns ALL Americans. Besides, how many of those 11% that don't have ID actually vote anyway? I think the actual numbers that this would impact is quite low. The only people against this are people who want voter fraud to continue, and want illegal aliens voting. Period!

I'll volunteer to drive 10 poor people to get their photo ID's and I'll even pay the fee. How's that?

Drag me back...enough of the anyone can vote bs.....you're either a US citizen or you're not, prove it. Funny how the left always seems worked up about this issue, I wonder who has the most to gain from no ids?

Originally posted by adifferentbreed
, I wonder who has the most to gain from no ids?

?..who?...The dim/libs of course...they are the only ones against it...them and the ones who dont want to pay 2 dollars for an ID

Originally posted by Antiquated1

Originally posted by mishigas
I cannot think of a reason why someone would oppose Voter ID, except if they planned on using voter fraud to rig an election.

Because they do not have an ID but still want to exercise their rights as an American citizen?

How about a legit social security card and number?

If the person does not have an ID, they can always use other forms to prove their identity. Birth certificate? Social security card? Driver's license? College ID? High School ID? Etc...

Originally posted by Homedawg

Originally posted by adifferentbreed
, I wonder who has the most to gain from no ids?

?..who?...The dim/libs of course...they are the only ones against it...them and the ones who dont want to pay 2 dollars for an ID

Actually, anybody who wants to uphold the Constitutional right to vote would be against paying for it. If they truly wanted prove somebody's citizenship, then provide a free way of doing so.

I was able to legally change my name, register to vote, and get a driver's license all without photo ID. If it is good enough for all of those institutions, it is good enough to vote.

So you know how we know this is just an attempt to prevent access to the poor and elderly? Because it is so obviously an attempt to prevent access to the poor and elderly!

Lol, I love this thread... its getting nowhere fast!

I always thought that politicians and their ppl were the ones that "rigged" the elections. Not Joe Average Guy that vote on behalf of his dead grandmother??

IMO it's a total non-issue..

In Illinois the price for an ID card is $20 and a DL is $30 .... I for one am pretty set against forcing people to pay to vote.
And here's a thought for you. Ever lost your wallet or had it stolen?
Be a damn shame if that happened the week of the election and you suddenly couldn't vote anymore wouldn't it?

The current system is fine.... register and show up and have your name checked with the list. Some things don't need to be expedited. So what if it takes a little longer to vote. That's part of the privelege and sacrifice of getting to mark your opinion on that piece of paper. (which by the way, we should maybe go back to since so many people are crying "foul" over electronic voting)

As I see it, making photo ID required to vote is a small step on a slippery slope of only letting select groups of people vote. And that's not a path I'm willing to travel down yet.

Originally posted by Advantage

Absolutely.. I agree.. however, from my post above, exactly how does someone not have an ID these days?

My son was born in a mobile home.
After his cord quit pulsing, I clamped it in two spots and severed between.
I delivered him to his mother's breast where he fed for two years.

I was born and raised here in this land. My ancestors came here legally.

My son works on family land and barters with neighbors for labor and goods.

Welcome to the land of the free.

...this day and age...

Time is a grand illusion.

Sri Oracle

OMG It would be Soooooooo hard for the poor! Wont somebody think of the poor!

Screw them. They can save up 20 bucks. If they can't manage to save up 20 bucks in 2-4 years then they can deal with it. Fine upstanding, tax paying citizens have been paying out the billions to them for long enough. We subsidize their homes, we give them cell phones, food stamps, free education. If they can't make $20 by themselves in 2-4 years then they don't deserve to vote. Have some personal responsibility for once in their miserable lives.

This is nothing but a scam from democrats to keep whole graveyards voting for their candidates. Nothing more nothing less.

Deal with it.

Originally posted by Cuervo

Originally posted by Homedawg

Originally posted by adifferentbreed
, I wonder who has the most to gain from no ids?

?..who?...The dim/libs of course...they are the only ones against it...them and the ones who dont want to pay 2 dollars for an ID

Actually, anybody who wants to uphold the Constitutional right to vote would be against paying for it. If they truly wanted prove somebody's citizenship, then provide a free way of doing so.

I was able to legally change my name, register to vote, and get a driver's license all without photo ID. If it is good enough for all of those institutions, it is good enough to vote.

So you know how we know this is just an attempt to prevent access to the poor and elderly? Because it is so obviously an attempt to prevent access to the poor and elderly!

And what about those of us interested in only American Citizens Constitutional right to vote, not illegals or the dead.....hmm what a quandry.

Have any of you pro ID people ever considered that the "illegal immigration crisis" has been manufactured to gain your consent to be numbered and tracked.

Have you considered how similar your plea is to "please number and tag me and my family so the illegals don't take over!!!"


Founding fathers aside, could you imagine this paradigm you preach being understood from a native american perspective?

Its truly ridiculous,

Sri Oracle

Originally posted by rle4lunch


$14. Enough said. That's the cost of an effing ID in the highest price state of New York. They're $4 in Arizona.

That is NOT AN EXCUSE not to have an photo ID.

So the homeless and hungry should choose ID over feeding their children if they wish to be heard in the free democracy?

"Give me your tired your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
... but only if they've got 14 bucks.

Sri Oracle

There seems to be alot of people arguing over different issues, that are all in all I think most of us will agree on.

1. You should NEVER have to pay to vote.And you don't, If a state requires a Photo ID to vote they are also required to supply a voter ID with one at NO charge to the individual directly (yes a tax payer will pay to subsidize the card, but its all party of the taxes we already pay to have elections, those ballots are not free to print either) If a state did not offer the free voter id alternative and try to charge for an ID to vote it would be thrown out by any court in the country in moments and the state would have to stop charging.

2. The political parties both use code words and we fall for them all the time. Poor\black illegal\hispanic voter-fraud/democrat .....My Grandmother was an illegal alien, she was Canadian. My Aunt is poor and would probably send money to the KKK if she had spare change. One of my friends voted 8 times for John McCain, three under his own name. A illegal who wasnt hispanic? A poor person that is not only white as white can be but also racist? A republican that steal votes? OH MY!!!! When you let the powers that be define the language you let them control the conversation.

3. Voter fraud happens and yes it decides elections, problem is its like MAD, for every instance of fraud by one canidate theres three or four of there colleagues or opponents. I have worked in several Republican (full disclosure here) state wide office campaigns..... some were close enough that fraud was a major factor in losing the elections but they were told to not contest cause it would lead to a more important district being contested. Saw a state senator vote for himself 4 times. (absentee (sent at the last possible moment so he knew it would not be recieved by the election day) in person ,,,, absentee for his dead father (dead one year) and dead mother (several) so although HE didnt have a margin big enough to have effected... the probate judge election got illegal votes that pushed them over..... the locla rep was just inside a runoff election margin which he won the second go around but probly would have lost without the margin of illegal votes. While I never saw it I have been told of people simply voting for people they knew where out of town. We are talking WHITE MIDDLE CLASS americans in New England..... and the ones I ran into were Republican, the democrats im sure had there fair share as well




This isnt playing the race card. Or the poor card, or the wild card of your choice. Its about makeing sure that every vote counts and counts equally. When my neighbour votes four times and i vote once its not fair, and this simple law does not impede my personal liberties but slows the rate at wich my say in the government is erroded by people with lower standards. Its sad we have to jump through an extra hoop sorta speak to vote.... but to be honest.... its worth it.... And doing it once lasts what? at least 8 years.....trust me the effort will be much less than the driving to the polls. and it is or will be free.