HAARP Connection to japan Earthquake goes Viral!

I don't believe some people question the power of HAARP.

Alaska HAARP may or may not cause the earthquake in Japan but the HAARP located elsewhere could make it happen...

Some people are so naive, they trust their leaders, crazy leaders...

Did you know that New Zealand experimented with creating tsunamis almost 100 years ago?

technology advances you know and military technology advances big time...

Originally posted by alfa1
1. Do you stand by your assertion that it was not magnitude 9?
2. Do you stand by your assertion that it took "hours" to become known as a magnitude 9?

Prediction: you'll back off with tail between legs. Disowning it. "not me, its the youtube guy" you will cry.

The argument made is that the actual natural earthquake itself was not that unusual for Japan, but that the tsunami was produced artificially and was too large in comparison. The numbers had to be revised to make the facts fit appearances. It is worth considering if you were to take the time to look into the proposed scenario. There is seismic data readily available that certainly appears to lend credence, like the actual data from Sendai and nearby prefectures . A point is also made that the damage that the tsunami could have produced in the reactors does not fit with what came later. It has now been widely stated that there was a company that gained access to the reactors in preceding months, and this company was quite capable (and had motive) of installing the well known stuxnet virus, which could have been used to shut down the automated fluidics cooling systems. I believe the argument to be quite compelling.

Personally I'm still on the fence, but I believe an open-minded person might want to consider the points. This is, after all, one of the largest disasters in human history, and we do know that there are rogue elements committing atrocities on the planet, with God only knows what kind of technology at their disposal. If this was one of them, would you not want to know? If not, I can understand!

Originally posted by Chevalerous
reply to post by alfa1

 

Yeah, but to fair - the HAARP in Alaska is not the only HAARP in the world!

Well, yes, it is. HAARP is the name of a particular research installation in Gakona, AK.

What you MIGHT be trying to say is, there are a number of ionospheric heater research installations that are somewhat like HAARP in function. They're mostly unrelated - run by other countries, for example, although there are more than one of them in the US. There's a really small one not far away from Gakona at PFRR, for example.

Originally posted by Videot
A freelance journalist going by the pseudonym Jim Stone (to protect his identity), and who claims to have above-top-secret clearance in electonic warfare and experience in industrial control systems and advanced electronics, has come up with some (seems to me) very valid points about the Fukushima storyline.

Ugh. Why do these guys make these wordy, boring, lengthy videos? Just summarize it! ARGH

Before I dive off into this dreck for entertainment, you should know that there really isn't "above top secret", once something hits TS, there are various flavors of TS for different situations, which is where you get into compartmentalizations that are really aggressive like, say, Polo Step used to be, vs others that are still tight but not so much that you don't hear hints dropped about them from time to time and that declass pretty quickly.

Usually, too, you get a guy that's a SCADA systems guy, they're sort of the low end mechanics of the electronics world, and are rarely if ever designers.

Both of those are sort of tainting my perception of this guy - I can't wait to see how bad this is.

Well, there's 45 minutes of my life gone.

Video 1:

00:18: Worked for NSA in electronic warfare? NSA doesn't DO electronic warfare, unless you've got a really broad definition that includes support measures like SIGINT. NSA is signals intelligence and crypto, not electronic attack or protection. And he didn't have "above top secret" clearance, because there isn't any. Once you hit TS you get more or less stringent compartmentalization but there's not a "super duper TS". Even if you figure in NATO mods (NSA doesn't do NATO), COSMIC is still a TS clearance.

00:26: "industrial automation" or SCADA is the bottom feeder of the EE world, below power systems design. You don't do "advanced electronics" in industrial automation. Most SCADA is 8 or 16 bit stuff that uses ladder logic programming - sort of like non-structured BASIC

10:28: "there's no way it could blow up...powered down at the time" - actually if you accept that it was a hydrogen explosion, this is a reasonable thing to happen. If the facility as a whole is filling up with hydrogen and it's collecting in any high structure, the offline reactor's containment shed would fill and possibly detonate, blowing the flimsy tin roof to bits.

11:47: Subsonic explosions are what we call "heaving" or "breaching" charges, and you use them to destroy buildings, as opposed to high brisance charges which are used to cut steel. If I was taking down a building, a subsonic explosion would be what I'd choose. FAE charges for destroying buildings like SMAW/NE are by intent subsonic, and work better than C4, which is better for cutting or causing localized damage.


12:35: "...those white stacks, this hydrogen stack was installed after TMI"

They're normally closed. When the power fails inside the plant, the control system can't open them automatically, and the hydrogen is not vented.

Video 2:

2:48 "...the top ground acceleration measured during the earthquake was registered at MYG004 and was a seismic intensity of 6.67, which means that there was no 9.0"

My god, what an idiot. Ok. He's saying that onshore in Japan, the highest reading was 6.67 Richter. No duh, sherlock. Again, this is either an attempt at a magic trick where he spits some numbers at you to confuse you, or he's a fool. The seismic intensity of ANY earthquake diminishes as you move away from the epicenter. Otherwise, any earthquake anywhere on the globe would be the same everywhere on the globe. You know that's not true, right? So the farther you move from the center of the quake, the less the intensity. The quake took place beneath the ocean floor to the east, 24 miles away, where it WAS a 9.0. You would not EXPECT the seismic intensity to be the same at MYG004 as at the epicenter. If it was, it would be the most screwy earthquake ever in history. I bet it's even less on the west coast of Japan! WOW!

This is his proof? That the seismic readings diminish as you move away from the epicenter?

Here's a nice site that has maps of the peak seismic activity, along with some explanations of other data. WOW! The peak seismic activity DOES diminish as you move away from the epicenter! That must mean it was satellite death beams! Oh, wait, that's normal.

Most of the rest of the second video shows that he doesn't understand the various modes of shock propagation. It's actually tricky to correlate all the numbers and derive the epicenter location and force at the epicenter, because what shows up at the various seismological stations is data conflating surface waves, shear waves, p waves and whatnot. There's a whole branch of science involved in picking this stuff to bits and understanding what happened.

03:41 "before the tsunami, there's no damage in the photos" Oh, well, then, I would expect that an earthquake prone area wouldn't build the buildings to sort of withstand that sort of thing as much as possible. Must be a conspiracy! This proves that a tsunami hitting them should also cause no damage!

video 3:

03:08 various discussion of why a 9.0 earthquake should cause more damage on land - again, it didn't happen on land, and as he shows from MYG004, the peak seismic intensity on land was 6.67, which is not that big.

03:19 "this area of Japan has no history of really bad seismic activity" Actually, the entire Ring of Fire area is a fault zone. This statement is like saying "my uncle had no history of getting hit by a car, until it happened, so it must be a conspiracy".

05:54 "if you pull even 0.8G in an earthquake, you're going to have widespread devastation" Untrue. What you have to look at is the product of acceleration and time. We g-test systems all the time for military equipment - the test device looks like the world's largest subwoofer - and can easily get "g forces" into hundreds of not thousands of g's, as long as they only last for a number of milliseconds. This is called "shock", and while rated in g's, is different from "acceleration", which is what you get when you apply the force for a substantial period of time. A flight data recorder might withstand 1500G of shock, but only a few dozen G of acceleration.

By the same token, if his 0.8G was only for a few milliseconds, then you really wouldn't expect to see total devastation from it. As you didn't.

This guy either doesn't know it or is again lying to you.

10:39 "it's kind of hard to have a nuclear explosion when it's not running"

Idiot. There WERE no nuclear explosions, it was a hydrogen explosion. When your entire complex is full of hydrogen, it'll go where it wants and blow up there. It's not like it hovers around where it was produced.

11:12 "the nuclear firing device (?what) looks exactly like the camera" Ah, jeez, the guy's going to try to explain this as a nuclear weapon?

11:48 picture "bears a striking similarity to a nuclear blast" ANY ground level explosion that produces a ball of hot gases can create a mushroom cloud. Most particularly, a gas flash explosion (like a hydrogen explosion) tends to produce mushroom clouds. Look at film from any FAE.

11:48 area - Gun-type weapons (no one makes these anymore), even the very first one, are nowhere NEAR this height or diameter. This is beyond spurious. "oo, look, something that's cylindrical, it PROVES IT'S A NUKE!" Geez. Israel is WAY past gun bombs. Hell, even Pakistan is.

Let's recap - the guy claims to have worked in electronic warfare at NSA (a lie), have "above top secret" clearance (a lie), to be an industrial automation specialist (a scada guy - the lowest form of engineering life), doesn't understand explosives, doesn't understand or is lying to you about ground acceleration, doesn't understand shock from acceleration even though they're both in g's, and is trying to say it was a nuke, although the damage doesn't resemble that of that sort of explosion and no one makes that sort of weapon, and hasn't for years.

What a waste of time. He doesn't even meet a minimum standard of plausibility, he's sort of like that daffy Judy Wood and her dustifying satellite death lasers.

Originally posted by Videot
The argument made is that the actual natural earthquake itself was not that unusual for Japan, but that the tsunami was produced artificially and was too large in comparison. The numbers had to be revised to make the facts fit appearances. It is worth considering if you were to take the time to look into the proposed scenario. There is seismic data readily available that certainly appears to lend credence, like the actual data from Sendai and nearby prefectures

As described in the post above this, there is NO data that lends credence to this idea. An earthquake of magnitude 9 is registered on EVERY seismometer in the world. Every single seismologist in the world would have to be on the conspiracy.
Here for example is the earthquake being detected in Australia, throusands of miles away...
G eoscience Australia

And the same is true of every other organisation. In China, in North Korea, in New Zealand, in Italy, in South Africa, in Russia, in France. You cant hide these things. And its not just organisations. There are a large number of private individuals who have built a seismometer for themselves. They're not that complex. All these people would have to be in on the conspiracy as well.
You cant fake an earthquake size.

reply to post by alfa1


I'll take Your word for it. [smile] Now, are any other possible arrays lined up?

www.abovetopsecret.com...

(Thanks, zorgon!)

Of course HAARP is impossible (or near impossible) if you merely consider the conventional transverse EM realm. It looses most of its power over distance.

Instead, research and consider the scalar (aka longditudinal) electromagnetic realm where it does most of its operation - ULF scalar em like Tesla experimented with for many years; nearly anything is possible. Plasma bottling, vibrating, sudden cooling/expansion (explosion/implosion), modification of properties of matter, nearly anything.

Of course we can debunk HAARP when you only look at one part of the physics involved (transverse em).

Check out into massive, hundreds of kilometer wide glowing balls witnessed by Japan Air and many pilots flying over/around the former USSR at night. These are plasma bottle up tests for protection from conventional projectile weapons of all kinds. Look at massive thermal exhausting over Novaya Zemlya, which is a near abandoned nuclear test site, this is excess energy being dumped from a scalar em system.

Its the difference between 2d and 3d... conventional and quantum. It has surrounded you your entire life but you have been edu-cated to never consider it.


Deny ignorance.

Originally posted by GhostR1der
Of course HAARP is impossible (or near impossible) if you merely consider the conventional transverse EM realm. It looses most of its power over distance.

Instead, research and consider the scalar (aka longditudinal) electromagnetic realm where it does most of its operation - ULF scalar em like Tesla experimented with for many years; nearly anything is possible. Plasma bottling, vibrating, sudden cooling/expansion (explosion/implosion), modification of properties of matter, nearly anything.

All Bearden babble. The problem is, there ARE no scalar EM fields. It's a weak attempt by Tom Bearden to get back to an aether model. He wants the whole thing to be longitudinal. But it's so demonstrably not that it's laughable.

reply to post by Bedlam


Okay if you dismiss things that quickly, you'll first need to debunk all the experiments around the world which have detected EM waves inside a faraday cage.

edit: and if scalar EM didn't exist, where would the atoms you are made of get the energy they require to be an electron orbiting, perpetual motion machine? Same goes for magnets, powered by electron spin. Again conventional transverse physics has no explaination for this, because it would violate the 2nd law without a vacuum source.

If vacuum energy didn't exist, neither would life. Tough pill to swallow but I'm yet to have a physicist debunk the above two statements.

Originally posted by GhostR1der
...where would the atoms you are made of get the energy they require to be an electron orbiting, perpetual motion machine?

Electrons dont actually orbit. Thats a childs simplistic view of the actual situation and leads to the unfortunate misunderstandings that you have. Electrons just "exist" as standing waves and neither create energy nor use up energy while in this state. They dont need to "get the energy" as you say. They dont "require" it, as you say.
And yes, they can be called "perpetual motion" machines if you like, but NOT for the simplistic reason you think so.
Similar argument with magnets. I'd argue this further except there is very little point if you dont know the basics of it.

Originally posted by GhostR1der
reply to post by Bedlam

 

Okay if you dismiss things that quickly, you'll first need to debunk all the experiments around the world which have detected EM waves inside a faraday cage.

Depends on who did the experiments - if it was you, I'd say you don't know how to make a proper cage. Second, EM can pass through a Faraday cage - depending on the cage's opening sizes and the wavelength of the EM. Third, the H-field component of an EM field can pass a cage, if your instrumentation isn't properly done, you'll pick that up instead. Fourth, if you do your testing in the near-field you can get both e and h field components passing the cage. I'd say 99.9% of the "researchers" in the "scalar is real" camp are tyros at RF plumbing. I've seen some of the crap they come up with.

BTW, your boy Bearden's MEG doesn't work either, because another thing you guys don't get right is how to measure pulse power, or pseudo-sinusoids where you're trying to use an RMS meter.

Like I said to Tom's face once - if all EM is longitudinal, how do polarizers work? Tom at least gets the implication.

If vacuum energy didn't exist, neither would life

Vacuum energy and "scalar EM" are not identical. I know you guys also like to resort to claiming vacuum energy for any and every thing you don't measure correctly, with no mechanism.

Originally posted by GhostR1der

edit: and if scalar EM didn't exist, where would the atoms you are made of get the energy they require to be an electron orbiting, perpetual motion machine?

Well, they don't really "orbit", they have orbitals, but let's look at THAT anyway - do you think that the Earth requires energy to orbit around the Sun? Basic Newtonian physics here.


ETA: Instead of just saying "Scalar! What a magical, wonderful term! I think that sounds all sciency!", why not ask yourself "What does scalar mean in terms of physics?" and "Can a force that forms dipoles BE scalar?" and you'll have your answer.

i Fu****** new it... they use haarp alot...

It was written in Alice Bailey's Externalisation of the Hierarchy that both Japan and Germany would be 'sealed in an occult way' for their parts in the second world war. Well, looks like Japan got theirs, if I were the Krauts I would be #ting myself right now.

One thing you can be pretty sure of and that is that US scientists are monitoring the stress levels in all of the fault lines that are close to US towns and cities. As soon as they reach critical action will be taken to offset or relieve this stress by 'loosening' up in other less dangerous or insignificant regions.

Originally posted by Chadwickus
reply to post by SecretNebraska

 

That's what happens when someone doesn't understand something.

They fear it.

Thats what happens when your Government is full of secrecy in everything they do.
* Enormous 'Black budgets'
* a proven track record in conducting experiments on its own citizens and those of other countries,
* a documented desire to control all aspects of the weather for warfare
* Documented evidence proving that they believe that having the ability to produce earthquakes would be the ultimate weapon as you could attack an enemy and nobody would know.

If HAARP has nothing to do with earthquakes, they have nobody to blame but themselves for everyone believ otherwise. Who gives them the right to conduct such experiments on the ionosphere regardless of what they are doing without giving full disclosure to the global community?