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Originally posted by NightGypsy
And in reference to the T.A.P. proposal and the diagram I reference on Page 31, which is labeled Figure 5.3, it's caption reads:
Figure 5.3. Example of typical flight path executed by research aircraft in the study of oxidant formation in power plant plume in the vicinity of Nashville TN. The color code identifies the flight track of the aircraft (green) and the various point sources in the region, the direction of their plumes and the plume-crossings by the aircraft. The estimated relative magnitude of the various sources of NOx are listed in the box. From SOS (1998)
Is there anything about the words "example of typical flight path," "flight track of the aircraft," and "direction of their plumes and the plume-crossings by aircraft" that would give the impression that this is not a diagram showing an example of a flight paths of aircraft that are emitting plumes?
The Department of Energy's Atmospheric Science Program has as its long-term goal developing comprehensive understanding of the atmospheric processes that control the transport, transformation, and fate of energy related trace chemicals and particulate matter. The current focus of the program is aerosol radiative forcing of climate: aerosol formation and evolution and aerosol properties that affect direct and indirect influences on climate and climate change.
Aerosols are suspended solid or liquid particles in the air that often are visible as dust, smoke and haze. Aerosols come from a variety of natural and human processes. On a global basis, the bulk of aerosols originate from natural sources, mainly sea salt, dust and wildfires. Human-produced aerosols arise primarily from a variety of combustion sources. They can be the dominant form of aerosol in and downwind of highly populated and industrialized regions, and in areas of intense agricultural burning.
Originally posted by Monstertako
reply to post by Phage
Got a question for you, as I'm on the fence about Chemtrails, and I feel like both sides have valid arguments.
Up until recently, I lived in an arid region with maybe 350 days of sun, about 45 minutes west of Palm Springs. The commercial airlines run east to west, and west is the direction of the Ontario and Los Angeles airports, Ontario being about an hour's drive. Planes go back and forth across the sky all day and night, and they are at a height where I can make out their general shape, and the shapes of their windows, and their coloring.
Now, there are other planes which fly much higher than this, and these are indistinct specks to my eyes. These planes are shiny white or gray, leave white or gray trails in their wake, and they sometimes criss-cross the sky north and south, east and west to make a grid pattern in the sky. The trails eventually spread and cover vast portions of the sky for the remainder of the day. I have followed the path of these planes for 25 miles, as I sometimes dropped my daughter off at college, or picked her up while they were still in motion.
I am willing to entertain an explanation that it gets colder the higher it is, and the more likely a contrail will form, except for one repeated event. These high altitude planes leave a trail, then stop leaving it. They turn around in the sky, and once they've positioned themselves parallel to their previous line, the trail starts up again, like skywriting. Sometimes they kept going all the way down the horizon until I couldn't see them anymore, but many times I'd watch them making the wide turns and start their way back from where they'd first come from, and no trail whatsoever while they're making the turn. It looked a lot like a farmer tilling a field, turning his mule around, and starting on the next row back.
I've looked into cloud seeding, but doesn't there have to be a cloud first for them to seed?
The sun is always cooking out there, there is no surface water, there are no crops, there is hardly any wind for three quarters of the year, and I have no idea why something would be trailing a plane in such a way right up to the edge of a populated area, as when this condensation or chemical or whatever it is settles, it would land well into the desert.
This occurred in the eastern most corner of Riverside and San Bernardino counties, in California, and I noticed it from 2008 through 2010.edit on 6/10/2011 by Monstertako because: Oops, meant to say spread instead of disperse!
Originally posted by djcarlosa
first let me say great find by the op and it certainly makes the debunkers jobs alot harder now .
Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by bsbray11
The military is testing geoengineering schemes? Why?
reply to post by Phage
As I said, there is little evidence that individual solar cycles have much of an effect on warming and the evidence that is there is well contested.
The solar cycle, or the solar magnetic activity cycle, is a periodic change in the amount of irradiation from the sun that is experienced on Earth. It has a period of about 11 years, and is one component of solar variation, the other being aperiodic fluctuations. Solar variation causes changes in space weather and to some degree weather and climate on Earth. The cycle is observed by counting the frequency and placement of sunspots visible on the Sun. Powered by a hydromagnetic dynamo process, driven by the inductive action of internal solar flows, the solar cycle: Structures the Sun's atmosphere, its corona and the wind; Modulates the solar irradiance; Modulates the flux of short-wavelength solar radiation, from ultraviolet to X-ray; Modulates the occurrence frequency of solar flares, coronal mass ejections, and other geoeffective solar eruptive phenomena; Indirectly modulates the flux of high-energy galactic cosmic rays entering the solar system.
Originally posted by bsbray11
More means and motives validating chemtrails as a reality.
Dr Blackstock: I would quickly respond to Professor Keith’s point and say I agree with most of what he has just said. The issue that I am trying to raise is the question of how the politics play out. As he pointed out, Russia has begun doing subscale field tests, and they are extremely subscale, at a point where there will clearly be no transboundary impact. While I would agree that we want to progress our science— and we will need to do some of this subscale testing to understand the feasibility of some of these technologies—we want some international mechanism, some mechanism of legitimacy, for defining what subscale actually means to begin with, and then, before we start pushing the boundaries of what questionability of subscale, that is, I believe, where we really need to have, not just scientific, but political agreement. As Professor Keith raised before, the international grouping of national academies could be the right body for being able to make a declared statement of a subscale test being actually subscale, but there will be cases where the politics will overrun that and individual scientists, and particularly nation states supportive of subscale testing, need to be very aware of the political issues it can raise and be proactive.
Take a moment to read the caption and absorb the diagram
Where would you expect to hear about politicians discussing illegal spraying of toxic chemicals on an unsuspecting population? In the MSM?
I can't help but read between the lines, I know what you're trying to suggest.
Also, an aerosol is any particle suspended in the air. When you breathe out, you make aerosols. Dust is an aerosol. Salt spray from the ocean is an aerosol.
Look, It's ok to admit when you're wrong, I've lost count how many times I've admitted my mistakes. So come on, act like an adult and admit you're wrong so we can both move on.