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Up to 75 years in prison for recording a conversation with a police officer?

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posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 09:51 PM
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Yep. Apparently if you are being abused by the system and try to get proof, it will come back to bite you.




When Chicago police answered a domestic disturbance call at the home of Tiawanda Moore and her boyfriend in July 2010, the officers separated the couple to question them individually. Moore was interviewed privately in her bedroom. According to Moore, the officer who questioned her then came on to her, groped her breast and slipped her his home phone number. Robert Johnson, Moore's attorney, says that when Moore and her boyfriend attempted to report the incident to internal affairs officials at the Chicago Police Department, the couple wasn't greeted warmly. "They discouraged her from filing a report," Johnson says. "They gave her the runaround, scared her, and tried to intimidate her from reporting this officer -- from making sure he couldn't go on to do this to other women." Ten months later, Chicago PD is still investigating the incident. Moore, on the other hand, was arrested the very same afternoon.


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FYI I'm never sure if I'm posting things in the right area unless it's blatantly obvious. So please move this if needed!




posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 09:56 PM
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So what's your problem exactly. The illinois law states that it's illegal to record people without their consent and last time I checked police officers are people.

Why you are choosing to single out cops when this law applies to everyone in the state has me confused.



posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 10:01 PM
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I'm not singling out cops. I think if you are being abused in ANY way by ANY person and the only proof you can get is by recording a conversation, you should be able to. Or at least get some sort of help from someone. What's a person to do? Who can you go to when the police don't help?



posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 10:01 PM
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Originally posted by kro32
So what's your problem exactly. The illinois law states that it's illegal to record people without their consent and last time I checked police officers are people.

They are people when they take their uniform off
While on duty they are public servants



posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 10:03 PM
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Originally posted by ModernAcademia

Originally posted by kro32
So what's your problem exactly. The illinois law states that it's illegal to record people without their consent and last time I checked police officers are people.

They are people when they take their uniform off
While on duty they are public servants


Yes but the law does not differentiate in that regard so it still applies to public servants.

And as the op knows this lady is making this up to get a lawsuit in. Not saying that's the case but it always bothers me when people automatically assume the worst about police officers with no proof.



posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 10:04 PM
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Originally posted by kro32
So what's your problem exactly. The illinois law states that it's illegal to record people without their consent and last time I checked police officers are people.

Why you are choosing to single out cops when this law applies to everyone in the state has me confused.


Obviously a cop lover! What about the hundreds if not thousands of cameras & audio recorders the police use on the people every day without THEIR CONSENT????

edit: "Recording an on-duty police officer in Illinois is a Class 1 felony, the same class of crimes as rape."

If they have nothing to hide, why make it a crime to record?
edit on 9-6-2011 by greenovni because: Cops BS never ceases to amaze me!



posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 10:09 PM
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Originally posted by kro32

Originally posted by ModernAcademia

Originally posted by kro32
So what's your problem exactly. The illinois law states that it's illegal to record people without their consent and last time I checked police officers are people.

They are people when they take their uniform off
While on duty they are public servants


Yes but the law does not differentiate in that regard so it still applies to public servants.

And as the op knows this lady is making this up to get a lawsuit in. Not saying that's the case but it always bothers me when people automatically assume the worst about police officers with no proof.


Read the entire article. It's not just about this one lady. It's multiple accounts of this. And wasted tax dollars and un-deserving people facing almost life sentences for trying to get help.



posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 10:10 PM
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Well,there was the Miami incident recently,when an officer at GUNPOINT ordered a citizen to hand over his phone,after police killed a citizen. How many years should this LEO be given for an incident like that? Public servants,I say servant because they are there to protect and serve,should be held to higher standards. Most LEO's,good LEO's would agree.



posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 10:13 PM
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I did read the entire article and every case they mention is about someone breaking the Illinois law. The government there is doing nothing that the law doesn't allow them too. Instead of people trying to go around the law than complaining when they get in trouble for it perhaps they should vote for politicians that would make this law go away.

People need to try working within the system before they go around it.



posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 10:15 PM
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Originally posted by kro32
So what's your problem exactly. The illinois law states that it's illegal to record people without their consent and last time I checked police officers are people.

Why you are choosing to single out cops when this law applies to everyone in the state has me confused.


Hypothetically...

So when I am pulled over and a camera is running which I have not given permission to, "they" can use that against me, however, I am unable to use the same type of recording against "them".

The argument does not fit the situation. I am sure that "they" are not walking up to people being pulled over and stating..."I have turned the camera on in my patrol car, please tell me now if you do not want any of this recorded..."

I am sorry to be so forth right, and am not personally calling "YOU OUT" for an argument, however, it does not "add up".

Regards and Nameste,

-Chung
edit on 9-6-2011 by ChungTsuU because: (no reason given)

edit on 9-6-2011 by ChungTsuU because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 10:19 PM
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Originally posted by kro32
Not saying that's the case but it always bothers me when people automatically assume the worst about police officers with no proof.


That's the problem of this article though, the lady cant get any proof to fight this because here getting proof is illegal.



posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 10:20 PM
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Originally posted by ChungTsuU

Originally posted by kro32
So what's your problem exactly. The illinois law states that it's illegal to record people without their consent and last time I checked police officers are people.

Why you are choosing to single out cops when this law applies to everyone in the state has me confused.


Hypothetically...

So when I am pulled over and a camera is running which I have not given permission to, "they" can use that against me, however, I am unable to use the same type of recording against "them".

The argument does not fit the situation. I am sure that "they" are not walking up to people being pulled over and stating..."I have turned the camera on in my patrol car, please tell me now if you do not want any of this recorded..."

I am sorry to be so forth right, and am not personally calling "YOU OUT" for an argument, however, it does not "add up".

Regards and Nameste,

-Chung
edit on 9-6-2011 by ChungTsuU because: (no reason given)

edit on 9-6-2011 by ChungTsuU because: (no reason given)


I've been pulled over many times and don't ever recall a cop walking up to my window with a camera so I am curious to know what your experiences are regarding this.



posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 10:28 PM
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No,I haven't seen an LEO with a hand held camera,but dash cams are the norm. So,why do Officers have the right to record,but not the citizen who pays his salary??? Hmmmmmmm Illinois residents,need to rescind those type of laws,so its a two way street.



posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 10:41 PM
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Originally posted by kro32

Originally posted by ChungTsuU

Originally posted by kro32
So what's your problem exactly. The illinois law states that it's illegal to record people without their consent and last time I checked police officers are people.

Why you are choosing to single out cops when this law applies to everyone in the state has me confused.


Hypothetically...

So when I am pulled over and a camera is running which I have not given permission to, "they" can use that against me, however, I am unable to use the same type of recording against "them".

The argument does not fit the situation. I am sure that "they" are not walking up to people being pulled over and stating..."I have turned the camera on in my patrol car, please tell me now if you do not want any of this recorded..."

I am sorry to be so forth right, and am not personally calling "YOU OUT" for an argument, however, it does not "add up".

Regards and Nameste,

-Chung
edit on 9-6-2011 by ChungTsuU because: (no reason given)

edit on 9-6-2011 by ChungTsuU because: (no reason given)


I've been pulled over many times and don't ever recall a cop walking up to my window with a camera so I am curious to know what your experiences are regarding this.


Cameras in the cars...do you not watch television! Have you not seen the interior of every police vehicle in "America"... Many ride-along's for myself. I have seen it all. "They" gloat about what can be brought up!

Do your own ride-along, watch, ask...

You are over thinking this. I never said "the officer approaches me with a camera...".

Go back, please think it out.

Regards and Nameste,

-Chung
edit on 9-6-2011 by ChungTsuU because: spelling



posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 10:42 PM
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Originally posted by sonnny1
reply to post by kro32
 


No,I haven't seen an LEO with a hand held camera,but dash cams are the norm. So,why do Officers have the right to record,but not the citizen who pays his salary??? Hmmmmmmm Illinois residents,need to rescind those type of laws,so its a two way street.


I assume this is addressed in the law somehow stating that those are legal but if the cop carried a video camera up to your car that would be illegal. Remeber that the police officer, probably against his wishes, is also being taped by that dash cam.

I have not read the whole law but only the part that is relevant to the original post.



posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 10:49 PM
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Originally posted by kro32

Originally posted by sonnny1
reply to post by kro32
 


No,I haven't seen an LEO with a hand held camera,but dash cams are the norm. So,why do Officers have the right to record,but not the citizen who pays his salary??? Hmmmmmmm Illinois residents,need to rescind those type of laws,so its a two way street.


I assume this is addressed in the law somehow stating that those are legal but if the cop carried a video camera up to your car that would be illegal. Remeber that the police officer, probably against his wishes, is also being taped by that dash cam.

I have not read the whole law but only the part that is relevant to the original post.


Might I suggest reading the entire law, and apply it across the entire spectrum of possibilities. Those seen and not foreseen. Is this not why we elect people that represent "US".

Please remember I stated "hypothetically", you have jumped to conclusions about me.

That is not good my friend.

Please take your "EGO" out of this.

Regards and Nameste,

-Chung



posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 11:02 PM
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Originally posted by ChungTsuU

Originally posted by kro32

Originally posted by sonnny1
reply to post by kro32
 


No,I haven't seen an LEO with a hand held camera,but dash cams are the norm. So,why do Officers have the right to record,but not the citizen who pays his salary??? Hmmmmmmm Illinois residents,need to rescind those type of laws,so its a two way street.


I assume this is addressed in the law somehow stating that those are legal but if the cop carried a video camera up to your car that would be illegal. Remeber that the police officer, probably against his wishes, is also being taped by that dash cam.

I have not read the whole law but only the part that is relevant to the original post.


Might I suggest reading the entire law, and apply it across the entire spectrum of possibilities. Those seen and not foreseen. Is this not why we elect people that represent "US".

Please remember I stated "hypothetically", you have jumped to conclusions about me.

That is not good my friend.

Please take your "EGO" out of this.

Regards and Nameste,

-Chung



What ego are you referring to? As far as the topic goes the people this article is referencing are clearly breaking the law of Illinois. Why the police can use dash cams I have no idea but it's irrelevant to the subject at hand. The law states that people cannot be recorded without their permission so the people are on the wrong side of this arguement. If they want to take the police to court for using dash cams that is certainly up to them but doesn't change the fact that they were acting against the law.



posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 11:03 PM
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Cop cars have a built in camera in the rearview mirror....it's totally admissible in a court of "law" .....but if you record them, it is a FELONY?



posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 11:09 PM
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Originally posted by CaptChaos
Cop cars have a built in camera in the rearview mirror....it's totally admissible in a court of "law" .....but if you record them, it is a FELONY?


That is apparantly what the law states.

Sounds like the law certainly needs to be changed but until it is people are subject to it however unfair it is and the people mentioned in the article were given warning not to do it so it's not like they didn't know and ended up in prison.



posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 11:17 PM
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Originally posted by kro32

Originally posted by ChungTsuU

Originally posted by kro32

Originally posted by sonnny1
reply to post by kro32
 


No,I haven't seen an LEO with a hand held camera,but dash cams are the norm. So,why do Officers have the right to record,but not the citizen who pays his salary??? Hmmmmmmm Illinois residents,need to rescind those type of laws,so its a two way street.


I assume this is addressed in the law somehow stating that those are legal but if the cop carried a video camera up to your car that would be illegal. Remeber that the police officer, probably against his wishes, is also being taped by that dash cam.

I have not read the whole law but only the part that is relevant to the original post.


Might I suggest reading the entire law, and apply it across the entire spectrum of possibilities. Those seen and not foreseen. Is this not why we elect people that represent "US".

Please remember I stated "hypothetically", you have jumped to conclusions about me.

That is not good my friend.

Please take your "EGO" out of this.

Regards and Nameste,

-Chung



What ego are you referring to? As far as the topic goes the people this article is referencing are clearly breaking the law of Illinois. Why the police can use dash cams I have no idea but it's irrelevant to the subject at hand. The law states that people cannot be recorded without their permission so the people are on the wrong side of this arguement. If they want to take the police to court for using dash cams that is certainly up to them but doesn't change the fact that they were acting against the law.


The "ego" I am speaking of is just what you are displaying. This is not personal. Look at the facts, the "laws". You are an intelligent person and can figure this out!

I am not attacking "you". I am asking you to let go of what you have been "programmed" to think!

Take a step back and think...I like the 3 day rule... stop defending let others post. Take 3 days to digest and then get back to the OP.

Only a suggestion, my approach may not work for you.

Regards and Nameste,

-Chung



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