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I Dislike Myself When I Engage In Partisanship... However...

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posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 06:42 PM
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I thought it was important for me to make this thread, just so I can make my case in today's reality
One of the biggest problems we are facing today is partisanship, both parties support the same corrupt initiatives, nothing changed, Goldman Sachs has been in power for how long? Cronyism has been around for how long?
Mass corruption and the federal reserve have been around for how long?

Both parties are guilty for continuing the "sameness" to the point where they can be diagnosed with political autism
So I really dislike myself when posting partisan posts.

However..not participating in partisanship is somewhat like vegetarianism, sometimes you can't be a full vegetarian, maybe once upon a time but not these days. There's gelatin in yogurt, insect blood in some candies, lard in many microwavable foods, animal fat in many dishes. Sure there's always an organic garden and never eating out, but as a vegetarian I consider myself a vegetarian and not an ascetic, also another poster here on ATS made a very good argument regarding the killing of living entities in everyday agriculturalism.

Same thing is with politics sometimes.
I will admit I am a conservative, somewhat more towards the libertarian side however not completely, I do not agree with it 100%, maybe that's okay since only sith lords speak in absolutes


One other reason why I really dislike partisanship is because when I think of the United States I think of a place where every topic on the face of this planet the U.S. is the most divided on it, the U.S. is the most divided nation under the sun bar none! I do not like to be a participant in that schema.

But it is difficult not to call out the left on being socialists especially while a Dem is in power.
Many say Obama is not a liberal but a neocon but then they'll turn around and support him anyhow.
Many in the left were anti-war during Bush but now have all disappeared, some of them remain somewhat anti-war but they will still vote for Obama nonetheless, this is not everyone but an extremely large majority imo.

But if you look at my posts before Obama was in power they weren't so pro-republican, not that I am pro-rebulican now, but I do support the original republican platform that Robert Taft and Ron Paul believe in, which is a limited govt. with a free market system, anything else is mass theft!!
I sincerely wish more people would realize this, please understand this point ATS.

The one of the two-party system is the better one only while in opposition, this is what I have learnt.
The one in power is the more corrupt. But I will admit i'm very against Dems saying that this is free, that is free, this is free, that is free all while taking from the people but all we see are newstitutes trying to expose Fox News and I don't ever see anyone exposing MSNBC, not even Fox News themselves.

So I do admit, I do lean on the right more than the left or center, sure, i'll admit it
But I thought I should make this thread so everyone knows that anyone who engages in partisanship doesn't necessarily believe in it.

I did like Alan Grayson while he went against the FED until he became a complete idiot talking head.
I did and somewhat still do like Dennis Kucinich, he endorsed Obama and advocated universal healthcare but I still do like him more than I dislike him.

Thx for reading




posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 06:45 PM
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Im like Ron Paul and he is gaining more support. I hope this time he can make it and get some Air Time to explain to the people that he is not for ligalizing drugs but is for dismantling unconstitutional laws.Theres a difference.

One of his major fall backs was everyone saying he was pro drugs. Thats not the case.
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posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 06:51 PM
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Two words: Power Corrupts

They really are all the same. I could say I agree with this ideology or that one but when it comes right down to it, until such time as there is freedom to sue the sitting president or congress for breach of contract (lying to get elected), they can say anything to get elected... and do. Even good men with the best of intentions, given enough power for long enough will become corrupted.

I know it is cliche, but money (and the resulting greed) really is the root of all evil. What's the best way to get money? Power. It's a viscous circle.
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posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 06:53 PM
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to thine own self be true man.

you didnt make the current situtation you are a victim of it just like the rest of us.

instead of being a sheeple and tow the party line you pick the opposite side for a reason.

while both sides are the same they are not the same one pushes and harder than the other.

ideally a third party or at the very least both parties revert back to what they were orginally meant to be.

instead of serving the public they serve us up for dinner

i myself lean right i cant stand one side and i do have problems with the party i side with

what i want is this nations survival and prosperity be the number 1 cause in peoples hearts and minds

and not the self serving selfishness that is the cancer destroying us.

a restoration of our souls and hearts instead of the greed and power and lust of things we dont have.



posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 07:10 PM
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People that participate in bi-partisanship have no principles, because if they did they wouldn't compromise in the name of bi-partisanship. The same applies to those that call themselves "Moderates". All a Moderate is is someone that can't make their mind up, or are scared of voicing their opinion.

The reason both parties are the same is because both parties have been infected with the cancer known as Progressivism. They are two sides of the same coin, with the same agenda. The difference is that they have different methods of achieving that agenda.
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posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 07:12 PM
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Actually it's bipartisanship, partisanship is unwavering support for your chosen party.

But anyway you are correct, it has been this way for a long time, and will only get worse as capitalists/corporatists/globalists gain more and more control of the worlds governments. The agenda is economic not political, politics are just used to keep us the people from realising what is really going on.
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posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 07:19 PM
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Originally posted by OptimusSubprime
The same applies to those that call themselves "Moderates". All a Moderate is is someone that can't make their mind up, or are scared of voicing their opinion.

That is so untrue
I am an agnostic, are you saying that I am undecided because i'm neither religious nor an atheist?
Because I am decisively an agnostic.

If I wanted I could have decisively been a moderate too
You can't say those who participate in partisanship have no principles when you let the same powers that be categorize you as a moderate.



posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 07:45 PM
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Originally posted by ModernAcademia

Originally posted by OptimusSubprime
The same applies to those that call themselves "Moderates". All a Moderate is is someone that can't make their mind up, or are scared of voicing their opinion.

That is so untrue
I am an agnostic, are you saying that I am undecided because i'm neither religious nor an atheist?
Because I am decisively an agnostic.

If I wanted I could have decisively been a moderate too
You can't say those who participate in partisanship have no principles when you let the same powers that be categorize you as a moderate.


This has nothing to do with religion. No one should categorize what you are but you. You should know what you stand for and NEVER waiver from it for any reason. Screw TPTB.



posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 08:40 PM
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So, you're essentially saying that the good cop bad cop routine s working on you, and your dislike of Obama/Dems has made you support the Republicans?



posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 08:43 PM
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Originally posted by OptimusSubprime
reply to post by ModernAcademia
 


People that participate in bi-partisanship have no principles, because if they did they wouldn't compromise in the name of bi-partisanship. The same applies to those that call themselves "Moderates". All a Moderate is is someone that can't make their mind up, or are scared of voicing their opinion.


That's only true to someone on either 'extreme'. "Moderate" means, essentially, 'not extreme'. Only an extremest would say it's someone who cant make up their mind.



posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 08:58 PM
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Originally posted by incrediblelousminds
So, you're essentially saying that the good cop bad cop routine s working on you, and your dislike of Obama/Dems has made you support the Republicans?

Nope, I even said in this thread "not to say i'm pro-republican now"

for example i'm not a fan of McCain, perhaps the old McCain but not today's McCain
I don't like Huckabee too much either nor Giuliani or Romney

I may not be fond of the party but I am fond of their original platform because there are double-agents, which Ron Paul today represents

sad truth is there are not many fiscal conservatives in the republican party



posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 09:08 PM
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i ma "right winger extremist" who also doesnt like huckabee or romney with the addition of cain and newt



posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 09:18 PM
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Originally posted by ModernAcademia


sad truth is there are not many fiscal conservatives in the republican party


And there haven't been, ever, really.

Just like the Dems have never REALLY been anti-war.



posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 09:21 PM
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Originally posted by incrediblelousminds
And there haven't been, ever, really.

Just like the Dems have never REALLY been anti-war.


Somewhat true, but not completely
There are voting records available and CSPAN

People don't look at voting records typically, which is INSANE in today's climate
It's an economic state of emergency, you HAVE to look at voting records

Foreigners need to sing the anthem to get citizenship, I say they should understand the need to look at voting records instead!



posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 09:30 PM
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Originally posted by ModernAcademia

Originally posted by incrediblelousminds
And there haven't been, ever, really.

Just like the Dems have never REALLY been anti-war.


Somewhat true, but not completely
There are voting records available and CSPAN

People don't look at voting records typically, which is INSANE in today's climate
It's an economic state of emergency, you HAVE to look at voting records


Ture, for every Paul there is a Kucinich. But we all know they are the minority within their parties.



posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 09:34 PM
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Originally posted by Iamonlyhuman
Two words: Power Corrupts

They really are all the same. I could say I agree with this ideology or that one but when it comes right down to it, until such time as there is freedom to sue the sitting president or congress for breach of contract (lying to get elected), they can say anything to get elected... and do. Even good men with the best of intentions, given enough power for long enough will become corrupted.

I know it is cliche, but money (and the resulting greed) really is the root of all evil. What's the best way to get money? Power. It's a viscous circle.
edit on 9/6/2011 by Iamonlyhuman because: (no reason given)


Not true at all..George Washington walked away when he could have been king.

A little history does a mind good.



posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 09:38 PM
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kucinich sold his soul on obama care

cant say the same for paul

i beleive that is what looking at the voting record means.



posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 09:49 PM
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Originally posted by neo96
kucinich sold his soul on obama care



how so?



posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 09:51 PM
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because all it took was an air force one ride to change the so called man of principle into voting yes to something that is unconstitutional.



posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 09:55 PM
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Well you can consider me the Yin to your Yang to make you feel better. My socialist ass supports Ron Paul so maybe that will balance things out.


If people consider Bush and Obama are called the great "dividers" then, by that rationale, Dr. Paul is the "Uniter"*.



* I know I capitalized that like it was a pronoun but I couldn't help it; he's pretty rad.
edit on 9-6-2011 by Cuervo because: gettin' tired...



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