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Libya mission has cost Canada $26M!!

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posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 02:52 PM
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$26million may as well be 26million maple leafs.




posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 03:04 PM
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Correct me if i'm wrong BUT I don't think it was a UN mandate for the Iraq war.. I think it was a 'coalition of the willing' operation?? Either way check this out.. Canadians DID participate in the Iraq 'Shock and Awe' attacks...the role was discreet but we were there!

www.wsws.org...

"Wikileaks cable exposes Canadian duplicity in Iraq war"

"A classified diplomatic note provided to the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (CBC) by Wikileaks shows that on March 17, 2003—just two days prior to the “shock and awe” onslaught launched against Iraq by American, British and allied militaries—Canadian foreign affairs officials told Washington that Canada’s armed forces could be “discreetly” deployed in support of the invasion of Iraq

The Canadian assurance was provided to an unnamed US diplomat the very same day that Liberal Prime Minister Jean Chrétien, amidst much fanfare, rose in the House of Commons to declare that Canada’s military would not be mobilized as part of President George W. Bush’s “coalition of the willing.”



See... we have a government that is decietful and two-faced!
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posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 03:15 PM
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Originally posted by Nspekta
Correct me if i'm wrong BUT I don't think it was a UN mandate for the Iraq war.. I think it was a 'coalition of the willing' operation?? Either way check this out.. Canadians DID participate in the Iraq 'Shock and Awe' attacks...the role was discreet but we were there!


You're right. We went into Afghanistan with UN sanction. We didn't in Iraq for the same reason.From your source:


The Canadian assurance was provided to an unnamed US diplomat the very same day that Liberal Prime Minister Jean Chrétien, amidst much fanfare, rose in the House of Commons to declare that Canada’s military would not be mobilized as part of President George W. Bush’s “coalition of the willing.”


Check the bold. There's a good source of intelligence.



See... we have a government that is decietful and two-faced!


Sorry dude. Tory's or Grit's, that's not news.



posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 03:20 PM
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Originally posted by randyvs
$26million may as well be 26million maple leafs.


Notion one: a Canadian Maple Leaf is a gold coin weighing in at 1 Troy ounce.
Notion two: a maple leaf is what I rake off my lawn every fall.

(info: the Canadian dollar is worth MORE than the US dollar and has been for some time now)

Which is it you're referring to and what does the
mean?

That $26M bill is doubtful as I firmly believe the Harper Government is lowballing the figure.



posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 03:21 PM
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maybe this source will provide better info?

Canada’s secret war in Iraq

www.globalresearch.ca...

"Escorting the US Navy: Thirteen hundred Canadian troops aboard Canada’s multibillion dollar warships escorted the US fleet through the Persian Gulf, putting them safely in place to bomb Iraq.

Leading the coalition Navy: Canadian Rear Admiral Roger Girouard was in charge of the war coalition’s fleet.

Providing war planners: At least two dozen Canadian war planners working at US Central Command in Florida were transferred to the Persian Gulf in early 2003 to help oversee the war’s complicated logistics.

Commanding the war: In 2004, Canadian Brigadier General Walt Natynczyk commanded 10 brigades totalling 35,000 troops. He was Second-in-Command of the entire Iraq War for that year. When Governor General Clarkson gave Natynczyk the Meritorious Service Cross, her office extolled his “pivotal role in the development of numerous plans and operations [which] resulted in a tremendous contribution… to Operation Iraqi Freedom, and… brought great credit to the Canadian Forces and to Canada.”

Helping coordinate the war: Canadian military personnel working aboard American E-3 Airborne Warning and Control System warplanes helped direct the electronic war by providing surveillance, command, control and communications services to US war fighters.

Providing airspace and refuelling: Countless US troop and equipment transport aircraft have flown over Canada, to and from the Iraq War, and many refuelled in Gander, Newfoundland.

Providing air transport: At least three Canadian CC-130 military transport planes were listed by US military to supply coalition forces during the Iraq War.
Freeing up US troops: Canada’s major role in Afghan war has freed up thousands of US troops for deployment to Iraq.

Providing ground troops: At least 35 Canadian soldiers were directly under US command, in an “exchange” capacity on the ground, participating in the invasion of Iraq


and on and on and on....Um ya.. we were there doing what we said we weren't!

I guess my main point is that, regardless of whether you think we should be in Libya or not, YOU/ME/US were NOT asked! How can we call ourselves a 'sovereign' nation when we take orders from a bunch of old boys sitting around a table deciding the fate of the world in New York?!
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posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 03:25 PM
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That's intelligence and logistics, not "boots on the ground". We committed NO troops in Iraq, there is a HUGE difference.



posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 03:26 PM
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How can you compare Libya to WWI and II? That's ridiculous.

Please, the Conservatives never supported the military at the same level as the Liberals. But don't take my word for it.

hrodden.wordpress.com...



posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 03:26 PM
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Originally posted by masqua

Originally posted by randyvs
$26million may as well be 26million maple leafs.


Notion one: a Canadian Maple Leaf is a gold coin weighing in at 1 Troy ounce.
Notion two: a maple leaf is what I rake off my lawn every fall.

(info: the Canadian dollar is worth MORE than the US dollar and has been for some time now)

Which is it you're referring to and what does the
mean?

That $26M bill is doubtful as I firmly believe the Harper Government is lowballing the figure.


Masqua I'm saying 26 million U.S. is worth any amount you rake off your lawn easy.
Get it ?
I believe the actual maple leaf may be worth more.
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posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 03:30 PM
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Please, your sourced blog even takes us back to the 50's. Let's not make this partisan. The Tory's of the 80's didn't support the military any more than the Lib's did. I'm no Harper fan, see my posts BUT he is bringing our military back.



posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 03:34 PM
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Well, you can't argue with facts. So please refrain from repeating the myth that the Conservatives support the military.

Thank-you



posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 03:38 PM
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Originally posted by TheComte
So please refrain from repeating the myth that the Conservatives support the military.


I said THESE Tory's support the military. I also said that the Mulroney PC's didn't. Get off the partisan train. It does no good and only makes one look foolish.


Thank-you


You're welcome.



posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 03:39 PM
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IMO, No.. we aided the 'coalition of the willing' secretly and discreetly. We (your money and mine) contributed to the war in Iraq, regardless of whether we had boots on the ground. Us helping to plan a war is the same as us actually being on the ground. I know its hard to admit the Canadian government isn't as sweet as pie! It's hard for me to believe! It makes me sick and disgusted that so many of us tote the fact that we didnt have anything to do with Iraq.. FAIL!!
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posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 03:41 PM
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Although Intrepid is more than capable of fighting his own battles, where does he state that Conservatives or Liberals have gutted or rebuilt our military?


This IS getting back to our roots. Peacekeeping, yes, we're good at that but when you look at Canada's military actions of the last 100 years, we are warriors when the time calls for them. We sent 1/3 of our POPULATION overseas during WW1. WW2 I'm sure you guys are more familiar with. Significant contribution. Korea, the same. It's when the gov't gutted the Forces that we became "peacekeepers". Now Harper is putting teeth back in the military. Good. It's the ONLY thing that he's done that I agree with.


Bolding by me.

When the government...the whole government, Liberal, Conservative...doesn't matter.

Now Harper...

Note that there is no use of partisan politics at all. His statement is sound. Our government, as a whole, has let our military and our people down for decades. Harper is now, just now, helping rebuild. Hopefully, successor governments will do the same.



posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 03:48 PM
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Sorry, Harper hasn't done anything to "put teeth back in" the Canadian Forces. If they purchase the F-35s they won't be ready for years. I'm not even going to mention all the problems with the plane itself.

And the Conservatives policy on veterans is not good, to say the least.

www.sootoday.com...



- The Conservatives violated the privacy of veterans’ rights activists and used private medical information to smear Col. Stogran and Capt. Sean Bruyea.


www.ctv.ca...

That particular item is pretty despicable, if you ask me.

thecanadianpoliticalscene.blogspot.com...

As I said, you do no service by perpetuating the myth that the Conservatives of any era are friends to the military.


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posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 03:54 PM
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Originally posted by TheComte
And the Conservatives policy on veterans is not good, to say the least.


Nothing changes. I'm not up for retirement yet but my Grandfather, that went overseas during WW2 before Canada joined the war, and my father that is retired Navy had to fight tooth and nail for everything that should have been easily given to them for their service. Both were disabled because of their service. This has been done under both Tory's and Grit's. I don't know how to put it clearer so that you can understand that this isn't a partisan issue.



posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 03:57 PM
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I'm not being partisan. You said Harper is "putting teeth back in the military" but I just showed you that he's actually cutting funding. I'm not sure how much clearer I can make it.

I'm not sure why you don't address the facts instead of calling me partisan. I don't know, maybe you weren't aware of what the Conservatives were actually doing, as opposed to what they said they were going to do.
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posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 04:08 PM
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For every dollar spent in your name, donate 4x that amount to a good charity devoted to anti-war causes or to a group looking to overthrow the regime you disagree with.



posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 04:12 PM
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Due to our tax structure that leaves me short about $2.

But, the theory is brilliant!



posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 04:25 PM
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The outrage! The audacity! Surely the USA can foot the bill for us, right? Right?....

Your country is right above and protected by the most advanced military power in the world, and you're griping about $26m? Are you serious? Do you have any idea how much the US spends a year to keep your country as safe as it is? Hell, there's little difference between the two countries as it is! Are you going to regale us with how much "better" Canada is, than the US, as well? Your safe haven wonderland exists only by virtue of the fact that it sits right above a nation that ISN'T a fence-sitting parasite.

-.-



posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 04:33 PM
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Tongue was firmly planted in cheek...


I was and still am totally against this NATO endeavor.. but I think most of us here are clued into why in all of the events, similar in fashion, that are occurring currently in the region, Libya was chosen as one that deserved NATO's intervention..

It's about protecting those who seek freedom.. right?




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