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Court: Dad can paste daughter's face on porn photo

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posted on Jun, 10 2011 @ 12:55 PM
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So, if your daughter is an "amazing looking" 13 yr old, you'll have NO CHOICE but to be sexually attracted to her?
Come on man! Stop being stuborn... Your plain off the page on your thought process on this one!

I felt dirty even typing that.... I truly hope your just trolling... If not, seek help
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posted on Jun, 10 2011 @ 12:56 PM
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Yep, quite a heated debate this one, with many strong views.

I myself remain unconvinced that this guy is innocent. I think he is a pervert, and no, the 'state' didn't influence my decision.

If you do think his behavior is acceptable, I simply ask this: would you allow this guy to take pictures of your child? Would you leave her in his company unattended? What if you found out your husband or partner was getting upto this? I couldn't sleep at night knowing it was going on.

He is a pervert because he not only thought about viewing a child - his own child - in a sexual way, but he further indulged his sick fantasy by physically portraying it, for the purpose of what I can only consider to be sexual arousal. By carrying out this act he has made his intentions clear: he wanted to view his daughter that way and get off on it.

If he wanted to just mess about with a paint program, then why not simply use a package that has suitable templates as done by the vast majority of mature, loving parents? Now look at the effect of his actions on that kid, at such a young age.

He may get away with this in the (current) eyes of the law, but in the eyes of many including myself he is quite frankly, a vile dirty b*stard who doesn't deserve to be a father.
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posted on Jun, 10 2011 @ 12:58 PM
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Originally posted by ShaunHatfield
So, if your daughter is an "amazing looking" 13 yr old, you'll have NO CHOICE but to be sexually attracted to her?
Come on man! Stop being stuborn... Your plain off the page on your thought process on this one!


No I don't like the incest angle of this anymore than you do I expect, but it's silly to think that anyone who might be sexually attracted to her is some sort of disgusting deviant.

When a girl reaches reproductive maturity it's natural that Men will begin to find her attractive.


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posted on Jun, 10 2011 @ 01:02 PM
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Originally posted by ShaunHatfield
reply to post by SevenBeans
 


So, if your daughter is an "amazing looking" 13 yr old, you'll have NO CHOICE but to be sexually attracted to her?
Come on man! Stop being stuborn... Your plain off the page on your thought process on this one!

I felt dirty even typing that.... I truly hope your just trolling... If not, seek help


You don't get to choose who you are attracted to... you get to choose whether you act on those. If those actions directly affect the well-being of another individual by fault of the perpetrator, it is a crime.

I'd better be careful, though, this might be off-topic for unexplained reasons after throngs of questioning PMs.



posted on Jun, 10 2011 @ 01:07 PM
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He should be jailed for a longer sentence for video taping/taking pictures of her undressing, and the drugs. You can't stretch the law to give someone extra time, especially if it's setting precedence for future cases.

Honestly though, the 14 year old girls that "pranked" that 11 year old boy, have done a worse crime than this man has done.



posted on Jun, 10 2011 @ 01:07 PM
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Originally posted by SevenBeans

Originally posted by ShaunHatfield
So, if your daughter is an "amazing looking" 13 yr old, you'll have NO CHOICE but to be sexually attracted to her?
Come on man! Stop being stuborn... Your plain off the page on your thought process on this one!


No I don't like the incest angle of this anymore than you do I expect, but it's silly to think that anyone who might be sexually attracted to her is some sort of disgusting deviant.

When a girl reaches reproductive maturity it's natural that Men will begin to find her attractive.


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It's because you used the word "sexually" with attractive. They don't see how they can be one in the same, it's all gray area, and it depends on your perception & outlook.
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posted on Jun, 10 2011 @ 01:08 PM
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Answer the question.. You are saying that there is no control mechanism when it comes to sexual attraction. Either retract that, or admit you'll be powerless over your sexual attraction to your daughter.

Or are you saying that the incest is enough to keep the sexual attraction at bay?



posted on Jun, 10 2011 @ 01:09 PM
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So you are saying you would be sexually attracted to your 13 yr old daughter, just not act on it?



posted on Jun, 10 2011 @ 01:15 PM
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Originally posted by ShaunHatfield
Answer the question.. You are saying that there is no control mechanism when it comes to sexual attraction. Either retract that, or admit you'll be powerless over your sexual attraction to your daughter.


LOL.

Attraction isn't a conscious choice, you can't "decide" who will attract you. If you can please let everyone know how as I'm sure that ability would prevent many of the world's problems.

Having said that I think that being a Father to a girl from her infancy brings the relationship to a place in which developing a sexual attraction is very unlikely. I scared the monsters from this little girls closet, changed her diaper, bathed her, cleaned her puke etc. etc. etc.

It sounds to me as if this Father hadn't been a part of his daughter's life until recently and perhaps that had some effect inside his . that altered to some extent his perception of what was appropriate and inappropriate behavior with a daughter.
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posted on Jun, 10 2011 @ 01:16 PM
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Originally posted by ShaunHatfield
reply to post by TheOrangeBrood
 


So you are saying you would be sexually attracted to your 13 yr old daughter, just not act on it?


I'm baffled that my posts that were not even attacking you personally got censored when they actually had a point, something your posts seem to be void of. Yes, if I was attracted to my 13 year old daughter, I would be attracted to my 13 year old daughter. That would be that, it would not be my decision, much like every attraction I have ever had to anyone. I'm not sure how this question needs answering at all. Thankfully I have never been attracted to someone who is not the same age or older than me. All I can say about that is, lucky me, glad I'm not these people who have to deal with this crap going on inside of their .s constantly and having society pressure them and call them disgusting even when they are abstaining! Then we wonder why they can't just assimilate?


**SNIP**


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posted on Jun, 10 2011 @ 01:24 PM
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You can totally control who you are attracted to. Even if you get the blush of attraction to someone, you don't need to keep it going.

You can become attracted to people, and you can lose attraction to people. Just like a man might meet a pretty woman, and then when she speaks be repelled. The "she ain't pretty she just looks that way" is an application of this human trait.

If one decides to entertain, to nuture attractions it isn't because they can't control it. It is because they CHOOSE not to.



posted on Jun, 10 2011 @ 01:26 PM
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All of your pics there of fourteen year olds all look fourteen. The only one who is exceptional is Kardashian.



posted on Jun, 10 2011 @ 01:27 PM
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Maybe I don't even recognize the mental fight that must take place in a sickos .. I have always had such a clear cut outlook on this subject.

I do feel that you have control over who you are attracted to.... We are not talking brunette or blond... we are talking about children. With that being said, no minds will be changed and no problems will be solved at this rate.

Have a nice day folks! I have exhausted my patience discussing this subject. I would like to end my work day thinking about a full day of wake boarding with my kids tomorrow... NOT, thinking about all of the broken humans that are only an action away from violating my babies.



posted on Jun, 10 2011 @ 01:28 PM
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Originally posted by Aeons
You can totally control who you are attracted to. Even if you get the blush of attraction to someone, you don't need to keep it going.


Blush of attraction is attraction.


Originally posted by Aeons
You can become attracted to people, and you can lose attraction to people. Just like a man might meet a pretty woman, and then when she speaks be repelled.


Sure, it still isn't a conscious choice though, and you can be physically attracted to someone even though you find their personality, beliefs etc. etc. repugnant.
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posted on Jun, 10 2011 @ 01:31 PM
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You can't be attracted to something you think is repugnant.

This is the factor that those with corrupted social boundaries don't get.



posted on Jun, 10 2011 @ 01:45 PM
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Sarah Palin is proof in point, that you can be physically attracted to someone you find repugnant... She is a total moron, people still think she is hot.



posted on Jun, 10 2011 @ 01:47 PM
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Originally posted by Aeons
You can totally control who you are attracted to. Even if you get the blush of attraction to someone, you don't need to keep it going.

You can become attracted to people, and you can lose attraction to people. Just like a man might meet a pretty woman, and then when she speaks be repelled. The "she ain't pretty she just looks that way" is an application of this human trait.

If one decides to entertain, to nuture attractions it isn't because they can't control it. It is because they CHOOSE not to.


You should probably let all the gay teens who make an epidemic point to kill themselves because of the lack of social acceptance about this. I'm sure they'd quit being attracted to the same sex in a heartbeat.

If these people could actually choose who they attracted to, why would they choose anything other than the norm? Because you said so? Sorry, not good enough; apparently they think killing themselves is an easier way out than changing who they are attracted to.

But go a. and dictate how other people feel and condemn them based on your own fabrication. That's real cool. "Save the children", right? Yet I wonder how many more children will be raped now that pedophiles are getting less and less outlets for their sexual frustration, and less and less ways to remain sexually stable and assimilate. I guess your punishment defeats your premise, no matter what your "opinion" is.



posted on Jun, 10 2011 @ 01:52 PM
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Originally posted by boondock-saint

Originally posted by Exuberant1

Originally posted by boondock-saint
In the Bible...

Yeah, let's bring the Bible into this.
Let's quote ancient books and pretend to not be off-topic whilst doing it.


the Bible is the rule and guide
of my life. Everything else is
man made.



You are aware that the bible was man made. men decided what was to be read and what wasnt. and this man is worse than a 13 year old kid because he is doing over his own daughter.



posted on Jun, 10 2011 @ 01:56 PM
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This is one of many reasons the bible is not what I refer to as, a moral compass.

"Now as they were making their hearts merry, behold, the men of the city, certain sons of Belial, beset the house round about, and beat at the door, and spake to the master of the house, saying, Bring forth the man that came into thine house, that we may know him. And the man, the master of the house, went out unto them, and said unto them, Nay, my brethren, nay, I pray you, do not so wickedly; seeing that this man is come into mine house, do not this folly. Behold, there is my daughter a maiden, and his concubine; them I will bring out now, and humble ye them, and do with them what seemeth good unto you; but unto this man do not so vile a thing. But the men would not hearken to him; so the man took his concubine, and brought her forth unto them, and they knew her, and abused her all the night until the morning, and when the day began to spring, they let her go....and her lord rose up in the morning, and opened the dorrs of the house, and went out to go his way, and behold the woman his concubine was fallen down at the door of the house, and her hands were upon the threshold....and when he was come into his house, he took a knife, and laid hold on his concubine, and divided her, together with her bones, into twelve pieces, and sent her into all the coasts of Israel." (Judges 19:22,29)

When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

Death for Fornication
A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)

Kill Nonbelievers
They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)



Midianites
Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the people went to meet them outside the camp. But Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle. "Why have you let all the women live?" he demanded. "These are the very ones who followed Balaam's advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the LORD at Mount Peor. They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD's people. Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.
Murder, rape, and pillage at Jabesh-gilead (Judges 21:10-24 NLT)



posted on Jun, 10 2011 @ 02:23 PM
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Damn.... this debate is still raging huh?


Well obviously the guy is sick and a pervert.... He gave his daughter drugs and asked her to strip so he could take pictures, he then edited a picture of another woman's body and put his daughters . on it, and masturbated to it.

The guy is a sick freak.... he should be locked up.


I obviously see that the debate has also moved on to who finds who attractive and what age and so on... now this is a very delicate area but some of the responses have been candid and fascinating.
It's obviously a very emotive topic too and think some people are really letting emotions cloud their thinking.

Oh well.... back to the sidelines.




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