Countdown to carnage: Syria slides towards civil war as Britain and France call for UN

Countdown to carnage: Syria slides towards civil war as Britain and France call for UN

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Thousands of elite troops and convoys of tanks have surrounded towns in northern Syria as refugees continue to flee unrest in the authoritarian country.

Syrian forces have lost control of large areas of the northern province after 11 weeks of violent protests calling for an end to President Bashar Assad's 40-year rule.

Pro-government newspaper Al-Watan reported fighting in Jisr al-Shughour between loyalist troops and defectors in a rare admission of cracks in the regime's tight grip.

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Some 1600 civilians have fled into Turkey during the past days as reports came out that Assad is sending the military to a town where supposedly 120 security personnel were killed by rebels.

Most of the refugees were too frightened to speak to our correspondent.

But one man, who spoke on condition his identity be concealed, said he had made a three-hour trek from Jisr al-Shughour, dodging Syrian soldiers along the way.

"The circumstances there are very difficult," the man told our correspondent. "They are killing children, women, and now they are planning to invade."

He said an estimated 30,000 Syrian soldiers were massing in a nearby village - but added that hundreds of soldiers had also deserted and were also gathering on the border hoping to make an escape into Turkey.

It said troops faced an estimated 2,000 gunmen backed by many young men from local villages, allegedly known for religious extremism.

Another massacre, another reason for NATO to bring some democracy and put more oil on the already raging fire. The Middle East is one big hell and it wouldn't surprise if the conscripts are soon send in to stabilize the region.

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It will be entertaining to see the VERY SAME people who have been asking why the UN hasn't done anything in Syria yet along the lines of Libya now claiming this is uncalled for western interference.

Syria is a lil different. Intervention there would mean War with Iran (Syria is its biggest Ally) and probably Russia (which has its biggest Naval Base there).

Something will happen there,sure. But how will it End?

If Russia won't support aww well let it slide to civil war thats how its going to resolve itself. The people want a new govt. and Assad wants to remain in power.

reply to post by incrediblelousminds


Because going into Libya there was no threat of a major nation standing in the way.
But going into Syria, thats like kicking the hornets nest ... while we're down!

And thats why Assad is so brazenly cracking down on the populace.. No ones going to risk a world war for Syrian protestors.

reply to post by Agit8dChop


I think you missed my point. I'm not asking why the UN isn't interfering in Syria. I'm saying I've seen a lot of people who are critical of the Libyan invasion asking why we arent we in Syria If we did engage there, he would then criticize the move. thats my point.

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But wouldn't crackdown just cause more anger and more Syrian people to join the rebellion?

I say America should do a draft, attack Iran, Syria, Yemen and Libya with ground troops, while extending the debt ceiling by 5-6 trillion $!

Do that, and prepare for massive riots!!

But of course, they could still pull it off if they pull a false-flag... a big one. Like a dirty bomb or a chemical bomb attack...

reply to post by deltaboy


yeah for sure, but then it comes a battle of syrian protestor resolve.
you need people who are willing to sacrifice themselves against the army..
without weapons, assistance.. no one will be willing to waste their life because tanks and commando's always wins over unarmed protestors.

reply to post by Agit8dChop


Kind of like what happened in Iran. But you think it be like Egypt when the protesters succeeded in peaceful means to get rid of the govt. Just need to get the military to join their side. Soldiers not willing to kill their own people.

Originally posted by Agit8dChop
reply to post by deltaboy

 

yeah for sure, but then it comes a battle of syrian protestor resolve.
you need people who are willing to sacrifice themselves against the army..
without weapons, assistance.. no one will be willing to waste their life because tanks and commando's always wins over unarmed protestors.

news has been reporting that there is serious conflict within syrian military

reply to post by incrediblelousminds


The new Caliphate will be based on Turkish leadership, Iran and Turkey are cosying up together as we speak - wouldn't be surprised if they get together to push Assad out.

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and that would be hardline muslim brotherhood or wahabi sharia ... I dont want that .

Most of the protesters are sunni.Well, 70% of the country is, aswell as 70% of the syrian army.Assad tribe, the allavites, are like 20% of the population.Elite troops are all with Assad, while the army is overwhelmingy againts it, especially after the crackdowns in north-west, who are almost exclusevely sunni areas.

Doesn't this sound EXACTLY like Lybia? Elite troop pro ghadafi, army defectors pro rebels.OR, yes, Yemen.Same thing, elite troops support the president, army the rebels.

Anyway, Syria is next.Russia can't do squat about it.What they gonna do, start a nuclear war? Because conventionaly, even my countrys military (Romania) can kick their asses if proportionate numbers of soldiers/planes/tanks.

So, Syria, and imo, Yemen, will be next bombed.What will be after...i have NO IDEEA.WW3? World peace?Alien invasion?

Originally posted by USAisdevil
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and that would be hardline muslim brotherhood or wahabi sharia ... I dont want that .

Do you base that on any in-depth analysis of the situation? an you provide some of it? Thanks in advance!

Originally posted by Shenon
Syria is a lil different. Intervention there would mean War with Iran (Syria is its biggest Ally) and probably Russia (which has its biggest Naval Base there).

Something will happen there,sure. But how will it End?

The International Atomic Energy Agency has just reported Syria to the Security Council over its alleged covert nuclear programme, to receive a stern 'rebuke'. Wrist slap anybody!!

UN Nuclear Watchdog Refers Syria to the Security Council

Now if a brutal crackdown on protesters is not enough reason to launch military operations against Syria, then this should be! Syria are not complying with inspections and is suspect in developing a plutonium reactor capable of building nuclear weapons. This is the exact same reason the west invaded Iraq. Let's wait and see.

So if this is the justification for support to attack and "regime change" Syria would they sit back and wait for Iran to avenge or take out Iran at the very same time as Syria to avoid them potentially retalitating?

It would surely be the largest air bombardment campaign since Vietnam or WW2 taking on both of them at once.

That would surely rattle Russia and China more so than any actions to date against anyone else.

Originally posted by Melbourne_Militia


That would surely rattle Russia and China more so than any actions to date against anyone else.

perhaps. depends on how many of the spoils of war they get.

russia changed their feigning objection on Libya as soon as they saw access to resources they wanted.

Erdogan: Syrian troops barbaric, 'don't behave like humans'

Syrian troops begin crackdown operation in town where 120 Syrian forces were killed, state TV says; Gates: Assad's legitimacy questionable after "slaughter of innocents"; Turkish PM says can't support Syria in UNSC.

In an escalation of rhetoric towards Syrian President Bashar Assad yet unseen from Ankara, Turkish Prime Minsiter Recep Tayyip Erdogan called the Syrian crackdown on protesters "inhumane," and described it as barbaric, Turkish newspaper Today's Zaman reported on Friday.

As some 2,500 refugees have fled to Turkey in recent days from Syria's northern region where troops and tanks are amassing ahead of an expected offensive, blasted the tactics employed by Syria's elite army units, led by President Assad's brother, Maher.

"Sadly, they don't behave like humans," Erdogan said of the Syrian army's 4th Division, commanded by Maher Assad, according to the report. "Now the barbarity... [soldiers] pose [for a photo] in such an ugly way at the bedside of women who they killed," the Turkish prime minister added, "these images cannot be digested."

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Turkey is often criticized on this forum, but it seems that the Turkish government is the least malicious in a region full of barbaric regimes such as the Israeli government, Hamas, Gadaffi, the Royal House of Saud, and Assad.