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posted on Jun, 8 2011 @ 10:57 PM
One of the most important reasons I came to this site was to discuss why our current economic climate is something that needs to die, die and be buried very very deep. And why common sense can be hard to attain when you are purposely misled.

There are 3 premises that I start this post under.

1. America Stands for Justice!!!!!!!!!
2. America stands for Liberty!!!!!!!
3. America Stands for Revolution!!!!!!!

These are the 3 arguments that fail horribly to sum up the current trend, and seem to appease the masses. Lets start with those and work backward.

1. We need to reduce the world's ability to earn wages to prevent massive consumerism thereby depleting the worlds natural resources. This argument fails horribly because wealth is still growing, just growing unjustly in very large amounts for very few. (the US especially) This argument also fails because the actual ability to support your family on your earned wage has become almost impossible for a larger number of people. Graphs in order to be accurate need to adjust out the top 25% of wage-earners in the united state in order to actually give you a factual representation of the masses. The graphs presented today never seem to delete the wealthy, making all graphs "SEEM" rational. like this graph.......

2. We are coming out of a recession, we have created 2.1 million jobs. This argument fails horribly because just a quick check of what jobs were created, never shows the lost income potential of the jobs that were lost in the great recession vs the wages of the jobs that have been created. Mcjobs (low wage, no responsibility service jobs) don't count, and they shouldn't count. As they don't come close to replacing the possibly earnings of the population that was stripped away by financial institutions. The jobs created even during our supposed recovery were created at an average of $2.62 less per hour than the jobs lost. When you are talking 800,000 jobs plus - you can see that this is a HUGE amount of dollars less per hour over the whole span as before. And as always this also includes the super rich expanding their LARGE payrolls as well. So even a million dollar a year lobbyist job is included. And it does not include the LOSS of pensions and benefits of the jobs created. this is straight forward and in your face propaganda to keep you quiet just long enough till they can create enough laws to handle the uprising. (under the guise of protecting us from terrorists.)

3. and the best one of all. Inflation is low. its just the economy stupid. These graphs sum up that argument rather well.

In order to understand where I am coming from we are going to put ourselves into the shoes of a design engineer in 1980. His salary at that time was $85,000.00 per year. In order to match his quality of life he would need $221,000 today.inflation calculator

But wait!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I thought inflation was only like 1-2% per year, how is this even possible???????? I am dumbfounded, it doesn't seem to make any sense. Inflation over 31 years is in fact 260% a REAL AVERAGE of 8.4% inflation per year. EVERY YEAR. this would mean to retain your quality of life, your salary would need to increase 8.4% every year. Sure there are cyclical booms and busts, that distort this figure. but this is the REAL number. ( someone check my math here.)


This is where it gets interesting to me. Showing an inflation adjusted DOW JONES industrial average gives you a respectable average of 5% return on your investment. Sounds reasonable, but only if you agree with the inflation rates that have been distorted by the the NEWS. What about the S and P 500?

And the one I like the most...... the actual REAL value of the DJIA

This is using the consumer price index, as reported. Not even taking out any of the disinfo in the CPI.

I say to you now, Fiat currency is the way to FILTER all the money in one direction and is a SCAM. It must stop, and who will stop it? THIS FREAKING GUY (be sure to read the entire article the title is misleading)

In closing I will say this

If America stands for Liberty

- you cannot have liberty when the system itself defies the definition of COMMON GOOD.

If America Stands for Justice

- you cannot have Justice when the system itself defies the definition of COMMON GOOD

If America Stands for Revolution (albeit peaceful)

- then I am all in with a pair of Sixes. *poker face


Interesting Links



Banks trying to feed the world, then why can't people afford food?

To desire the common good and strive towards it is a requirement of justice and charity

Toilet Paper

edit on 8-6-2011 by no time because: added comment to make sure people read the entire editorial.

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posted on Jun, 8 2011 @ 11:08 PM
and you just lost all your money because the moneychangers have a pair of aces (and a few left up their sleeves).

But don't worry, I hear they do financing.

posted on Jun, 8 2011 @ 11:12 PM
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Down with Trade
Up with Sharing!
I can use some of that, and I also can be of use!
Cool thread Thanks.

posted on Jun, 8 2011 @ 11:13 PM
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I'll be damned, a response. I was beginning to think no one was actually here. Pair of sixes = peaceful revolution probably won't work. Which is unfortunate.

Oh and your inflation TAX is now 96.2% Gotta love central banks and fiat currency.

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posted on Jun, 8 2011 @ 11:58 PM
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I liked the article about if banks can feed the world then why can't the people of the world work to feed themselves. Makes one wonder doesn't it. How can everything right for the common good of all people be effected so wrongly, and even in our own name. We fund a revolution, the revolutionaries fight us, we drop bombs, we fix the bomb holes, we feed the country, we provide the country jobs, we go broke doing so. Yet the question remains if someone or all of us can buy food to feed other countries, why can't the other countries buy the same food or grow it themselves?

posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 12:21 AM
Thanks for the insight and energy you put in to this. Welcome to being "awake".

Regards and Nameste,


posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 12:44 AM
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Very good call on where the problem is coming from. And the more you look at it, the stranger it gets.

Politically, kicking out the Federal Reserve would be a great place to start.

But I'm personally supporting massive educational work on a range of issues that will hopefully result in enough citizens becoming enough more aware to forestall total disaster.

posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 01:55 AM
Very nice work, and very informative. I don't know why statistical information gets me going, but it does. The big question here is what do we do? Peaceful revolution? Is there such a thing? I am a pacifist, and always have been, but all of this information calls for more than pacifism can accomplish.

Being in my early 30's, I've only just begun to live "The American Dream". Just bought a house in the last year, my finances are relatively in check, I do what every American is supposed to do. Check that, almost everything. My wife and I have decided not to have children, which is the only reason we are doing well in this economic climate. But in all honesty, I've done it all for her.

Now that a little background is out of the way, everything that I've learned in the last 6 to 8 months has just made my blood boil. We are the used. Regardless of my pacifistic roots, I honestly believe that somebody has to pay for this mess. There should be an absolutely relentless search for those responsible, and I don't mean targeting the companies they work for, but the people who have implemented these farcities, and they should be prosecuted.

The officials of our government should be removed, and replaced, for I know anarchy isn't the answer. But not replaced by anybody of their choosing or affiliation. The entire system is a joke. What is the point of getting Larry out of office when Curley and Mo are the candidates you have to choose from for a replacement.

Regardless, good stuff. It makes me think, perhaps too much.


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