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In jail for being in debt...indefinite incarceration for 300$...arrested for 85$

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posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 02:26 PM
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Once again what you have there is the basic money game. Did you also know that I think for around $90 you can go to the county clerk and have all that sealed. So no one short of a judge has access to it. That's how it is in Cali anyway. Check into it also how long before they fall off you're record. I know things are getting worse. Their basically trying to kill us.

Be a good little cyborg citizen for the camara. OR DIE!!!
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OP I would love to Star and flag your thread. But the guidelines for posting call for two paragraphs of your own thoughts in the OP. You didn't even try. Lazy fingers or what?



Get a clue your thread should include you.
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posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 02:38 PM
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That would be a great thing, but according to this site, MNCourts.gov, it says:

Serious crimes like murder, aggravated assault, driving while intoxicated, and sex offender crimes are never expunged.


It's a sick twisted world we're living in today.



posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 02:46 PM
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I'm not sure I understand your post. Are you saying those crimes shouldn't remain on someones record? Help me out here ?



posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 02:48 PM
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What about jailing or incarceration for not paying or not being able to pay a fine?
Isn't a fine and a debt pretty much the exact same idea with a few letters changed out?
Is there any bit of hope left for the miserable moneyless masses?



posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 02:48 PM
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In Illinois and southwest Indiana, some judges jail debtors for missing court-ordered debt payments. In extreme cases, people stay in jail until they raise a minimum payment. In January, a judge sentenced a Kenney, Ill., man "to indefinite incarceration" until he came up with $300 toward a lumber yard debt.


So, when a global company defaults on its $1B in junk bonds, will they put the CEO & CFO in prison until they come up with the money they don't have?

Of course not.

If you are really rich, you can get away with actual financial felonies (as opposed to breach of contract, i.e. a bad debt) and not go to prison.



posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 02:52 PM
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Originally posted by armtx
Boy, there are some real out of the box thinkers on this one?!?

If you stole a pair of Nikes from the mall and their worth was 125.00 dollars, guess what, you get arrested and thrown in jail.

The principal is the same, you owe money and since you are not willing to pay it, the "government" is going to treat you like a criminal.

I guess you are all fine with stealing?


No no no no no! The first is a crime and the second is not. Both parties entered into a voluntary agreement, and breach of contract has certain defined penalties (like your house will be foreclosed upon if you don't pay). That's it. An unsecured loan (like a credit card) is indeed officially secured by no property at all. The people who extend you the loan knew this, and that's why they charge interest accordingly.

It is not the place of the criminal courts to enforce ordinary civil contracts with extraordinary criminal punishments.

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posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 02:54 PM
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Hay I'v got an idea..... don't get credit and not pay. Just do without....



posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 02:58 PM
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Frade Knot ! In California they used to put you in jail for an FTP. They found out that didn't work because it filled the jails. Now it goes to a collection agency and I just laugh when they call . The systen is about to explode midsection.

armtx

You're wrapped up way to tight in that box you're in guy. One is suppossed to be a civil matter the other a crime.
No wonder Washington gets away with murder.

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Plotus



Hay I'v got an idea..... don't get credit and not pay. Just do without


You have it ass backwards my friend. I just got a capitol one credit card a few months ago . that gave me a chance to rebuild my credit. I maxed it out bent it and chucked it in the trash. On my skin. They called for like a month. Thinking they were going to herass me. what a joke . I told 'em the only use I have for a bank is to rob one. They quit calling.
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posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 04:06 PM
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Awesome!! I wish you did it to somebody else, though, Capital one is the only company I'm happy with. They've treated me well.

These collection companies are out of hand. I financed a car 10 years ago for my ex, and we broke up. Well, I was dumb enough to leave my name on it and let her keep it. She ended up crashing it without insurance a year later and I didn't find out about it until it had already been repo'd. Bill collectors kept calling me about it, and I would tell them the same thing- tow the car over into my driveway, and I'd gladly catch up on the payments. They didn't want to do that, so I would hang up on them. Then, one day at work, a man with a middle eastern accent called me at work. Same story. He began to belittle me and ask, do you think you can buy something and not pay for it? You need to pay your bills. Well, I called him every name in the book, used a lot of profanity and even used some derogitory slurs, laughed and hung up on him. Never heard from them again!! Just waited it out, and after a few years, the account had changed hands so many times that nobody had the original paperwork!! Just disputed it with all the credit companies, and since they could not furnish the proper evidence of the account, it all got removed.

Bill collectors are the scum of the earth, and they should get real jobs. That's what I tell them!!



posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 04:12 PM
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My opinion is like this...... Why put people in jail for not being able to pay a debt... What about all the other MAJOR crimes that are going on in the world, like terrorism for instance... Or people that are out there killing, raping, robbing, terrorizing people for no good reason... They all use the excuse that they dont know any better, or thats the way they were brought up. I'm sorry to say people, but we live in a MUCH more violent world than throwing people in jail for not paying debts...

Another thing, isn't our jails over crowded in the first place? Why continue to crowd them up even more with something small like people in debt. The concept of debtors prison is just plain stupid. Keep the police doing their jobs the way they are supposed to be doing them... Catching REAL criminals and putting them behind bars, and leave the debtors alone.

I think its about the STUPIDEST thing in the world.... If they are really that worried about paying off a debt, then the government and companies need to put more jobs out there, so we can go to work and start paying off what is owed, without the fear of going to jail for a stupid debt......

Thank you for listening.....



posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 04:17 PM
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This entire sub-industry should be shut down. When a bank or other creditor charges off a debt they can use this as a deduction when figuring their income tax liability. So the govt is already subsidizing their loss thru this offset and spreading that bad debt across the public, before they issue any judgements or arrest warrants.

creditors, as the article suggests, then sell the right to collect said debt to 3rd party agencies, usually this is 5-10% of the debt in question- so the creditor gets to benefit from laws on both sides on the deal.

One of the most common practices for the bottom feeder agencies is to sue someone without rendering proper service of the lawsuit. I've run into this countless times dealing with my clients. The collector will hire a low-rent process server (the less integrity the better) who will attest to serving the lawsuit without ever handing it to the debtor in person (required by law). of course, if you dont respond to a lawsuit within the required time period (usually 30 days), the collection agency can file for default judgement, get an execution order from the judge to drain your accounts, all without you ever knowing you were sued. I ran into one instance where the process server would just guess what the defendant looked like based on their last name and use this description to substantiate proper service. it backfired when a client with a hispanic last name turned out to be a blond/blue eyed fellow and the process server noted they were a "short mexican looking man." That Collection Agency was ultimately forced to settle for over 80k with the client.

However, for the most part, the court system rubber stamps these default judgements due to the shear volume of suits to carry through due process. Not unlike the mortgage market, the debt collectors are successfully BURYING courts with so much paper work the justice system, funded by the very people these agencies victimize, is rolling over and giving them whatever they want. sickening.



posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 04:17 PM
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I didn't say anything of the sort. According to that same site:

Expungement is the process of going to court to ask a judge to seal a court record. It is important to remember that an expunged record is Not destroyed. The police, FBI, immigration officers, and other public officials may still see sealed court files for certain purposes.


The other crimes are serious and shouldn't be expunged but a misdemeanor DUI isn't a serious crime unless damage occured. Anyway this is going off topic.

I found this Wall Street Journal article from earlier this year: Welcome to Debtors' Prison, 2011 Edition

More than a third of all U.S. states allow borrowers who can't or won't pay to be jailed. Judges have signed off on more than 5,000 such warrants since the start of 2010 in nine counties with a total population of 13.6 million people, according to a tally by The Wall Street Journal of filings in those counties. Nationwide figures aren't known because many courts don't keep track of warrants by alleged offense. In interviews, 20 judges across the nation said the number of borrowers threatened with arrest in their courtrooms has surged since the financial crisis began.


I thought debtor's prison was outlawed in the US? According to even the Minnesota Constitution it's illegal.
From Wiki:

Most state constitutions, including Minnesota's, have clauses dating to the 1850s that expressly prohibit the jailing of people for their debts.



posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 04:32 PM
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I thought debtor's prison was outlawed in the US? According to even the Minnesota Constitution it's illegal


I believe that's the Democratic or more so the Republic of the U.S. Not the present facade of democracy that
since 1963 has been ran buy a socialist cabal of bankers that only remains in the closet for fear of the american people. They have only gotten bolder as the technology has progressed. They are the worst kind of
cowards.
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Dee
I have no mercy for any of them
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posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 04:48 PM
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dear police sir you are attempting to deliver false warrant and are trespassing - if you do not leave the premises immediately I will take the appropriate action in dealing with a armed and hostile intruder.



posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 04:50 PM
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well if americans in debt were able to get a job they could do a thing called pay their bills i know i know its unheard of but maybe just maybe if there were opportunities to make money people would be able to pay their bills. but instead employers are now able to make a hiring decision based on your credit score now ladies and gents answer me this HOW THE **** CAN YOU PAY WHEN YOU CANT GET HIRED + being in a recession that will likely become worse than the great depression.



posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 04:51 PM
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not true, they can still say you owe them and convert the debt to a money only account, which if you don't pay could get your drivers licence suspended, and add another 7 years of oh dear onto your credit score.



posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 04:52 PM
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I am keen for debtors prison FOR ME (not you guys), as long as the companies pay for it.
Same with taxes, I say lock me up!



posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 04:53 PM
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All they have to say is they thought you might be destroying evidence and they do not need a warrent ... see recent supreme court ruling .... have a lovely day .....perhaps donuts would help.



posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 04:54 PM
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haven't you guys heard? It is now illegal to not have money! Soon they will be ushering the homeless into internment camps. Of course what they won't mention is that they will make as many of you homeless as they can manipulate into. They'll fine you until you can't pay then claim ownership over you and that'll be it for you, surfs.



posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 05:05 PM
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Okay, lets lock up everyone that's in debt in America. Which would be more then 50%. Then we'll pay for their prison terms. Does that make sense to anyone else but the government?

And how the hell could someone pay you back when they lose their jobs because they've been incarcerated and couldn't show up to work? It just doesn't make sense...



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