Originally posted by SpaDe_
reply to post by Butterbone
Nice story, and sorry your family had to suffer hardships, but tell me where I said everything was better back in the day. I didn't, what I did say
is people did what needed to be done just like your grandfather did. He didn't sit around and get a handout to take care of his family he went out
and did what everyone else did at the time, and that is work! I am sure he was proud of every bit of what little he had just for the fact that it was
his, and he didn't have it handed to him. I understand that it wasn't right for the coal company to come in and buy up all the land, but that
didn't happen in every depression era community.
My point is people today (not all, but the numbers seem to be growing) think they should just have their 3 meals a day handed to them and not have to
work for it.
I don't need a history lesson either, because for every good story there is always a bad one on the flip side. The point is people were different
then than they are today. Simply put they just had more pride.
edit on 6/9/2011 by SpaDe_ because: worded wrong.....
Well I don't agree with your assertions.
Saying people had more pride "back in the day" is saying that things were better. Because people had more pride. And I think that is rose colored
The idea that people have less pride and that the number of prideless lay abouts is growing is a cynical view being handed out by specific groups of
people. It's a spoon fed simplicity that just doesn't exist in reality.
Given the option to work, the majority will work. Without options, people choose to do whatever it takes to survive, and in a culture where we
constantly advertise the good life, people, even of no means, will try to achieve the good life even if it isn't in an honest fashion.
Society teaches them their value is based on their consumption. If you take large groups of under and un educated people and deny them the ability to
reach the levels of consumption that they are told is normal, and desirable then they will seek out new means of getting "theirs".
Have you been to a food stamp office? Have you ever collected months and years worth of paperwork and waited for 10-12 hours talking to 5-7 different
cases workers in a day just to get an EBT card that might feed your family of 4 for 8 days? Then gone the next day with more paperwork for more hours
so that your rent can get paid, and medical, and school clothes, and electric and gas??? Being looked down on and talked down to constantly during
Probably not. So constantly assuming that being on public assistance is some kind of gravy train where you don't have to wake up until 3 pm and then
just saunter off to the grocery store with your magic gubment credit card is a cynical fallacy that has been taught to you by someone else.
I'm not telling you that your opinion is wrong. I just think that you should consider the source from which you are taking information and forming
your opinions. I certainly disagree with your point of view, but I cannot say that my point of view is more right. It's just from a different
Now I stay supplied and armed, and honestly, I don't have any plans of starting some kind of homeless shelter for people who couldn't plan ahead and
didn't conceive that their government assistance would someday fail.
But at the same time I don't just write them all off as lazy moochers who won't do anything for themselves. I just think that they are under
educated in the realities of the world they live in and without the benefit of understanding history and the complex systems that drive the world
around us, they are simply doing the best they can with the little they have absorbed and processed about the world. Yes, most of it is their own
fault. But that doesn't affect my opinion about their character. Just the process they use to make decisions, and ignorance should not be considered
shameful. You don't look down on someone for simply not understanding something that in all honesty, they have been told repeatedly and for
generations that they shouldn't try to understand cause it won't make a difference in their life anyway.
The people who will be the most dangerous if there is a systemic failure of government and law and order in the US will be the ones with the
strongest will to survive and the lack of resources already available. They will be inner city people who realize quickly that there is nothing left
for them inside the cities. They will move outward as quickly as possible and probably try to attach themselves to more prepared groups and most will
be humble, and helpful. As the groups close ranks and shut out new people, those "recent" new people will become the real threats. The ones who
started out of the cities earlier will be viewed as "clever and helpful" and their contributions will be recognized.
Very quickly, the later people to come along will be dehumanized by all the groups, and that is where conflict will come from.