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reply posted on 9-6-2011 @ 04:34 PM by King Seesar

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The technology being imployed in alot of these mind control cases mimics schizophrenia such as auditory hallucination and synthetic telepathy that is on purpose as it hides the experimentation, way to many people are coming fourth with these claims heck even two moderators on here are TI's (targeted individuals) now i already showed you proof that this technology is not a myth you heard it right from the horses mouth Donald Rumsfeld and who do you think there gonna test these weapons on Santa Claus? Just like when they were testing the after effects of nuclear weapons they used human beings as they have with all experimentation even on the unsuspecting as in MK-Ultra.

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reply posted on 9-6-2011 @ 04:44 PM by bhornbuckle75

Originally posted by King Seesar
reply to post by bhornbuckle75

The technology being imployed in alot of these mind control cases mimics schizophrenia such as auditory hallucination and synthetic telepathy that is on purpose as it hides the experimentation, way to many people are coming fourth with these claims heck even two moderators on here are TI's (targeted individuals) now i already showed you proof that this technology is not a myth you heard it right from the horses mouth Donald Rumsfeld and who do you think there gonna test these weapons on Santa Claus? Just like when they were testing the after effects of nuclear weapons they used human beings as they have with all experimentation even on the unsuspecting as in MK-Ultra.
edit on 9-6-2011 by King Seesar because: (no reason given)

To argue that the experimentations themselves may mimic schizophrenia, and that this is, in fact done on purpose to help cover it up, is of course a valid argument. I disagree that 'too many people' have come forward for it to be fake....Schizophrenia is actually more widespread than most people realize, and could easily account for the numbers of people coming forward.

The point I was trying to make, though wasn't to attack the possibility that this could be real...I believe that, at the very least, it is certainly possible that such a thing could be going on....I am only suggesting that 'testimonies' like these will never prove anything. If the MKULTRA tests only had testimonies like these then it would still be a secret! Also the simply fact that there are theories, and even some real world technology that could be used for such experimentation is no proof either. There is an awful large gap between it being possible, and it being real....For instance if I had a gun, then it would be possible that I have shot someone. I have that capability. That doesn't mean that I HAVE shot anyone, however.

reply posted on 9-6-2011 @ 04:55 PM by Hijaqd

I would recommend the book - The Franklin Cover-up: Child Abuse, Satanism, and Murder in Nebraska by Former NE Senator John W DeCamp, it exposes quite a bit in regards to utilizing ritual sexual child abuse to fragment the mind allowing the implantation of "programming", in this case the trail went so far as to involve George HW Bush, and almost every single investigator involved died in suspicious incidents. John DeCamp, who wrote the book, won't even discuss the case anymore.

The book is not for the faint of heart though, but it holds a ton of information on how this sort of programming is used, from a tool to Blackmail politicians to programmed assassins.

A relevant excerpt about Project Monarch, a subsequent program developed from MKUltra:

Some Codes and Assignments

The disclosures of Paul Bonacci, which cohere with reports of MPD professionals in other cases, point to a particular artificially induced mental structure as common to many victimized children. Space permits only the briefest treatment of this here; this is intended mainly to begin to "blow the circuits," so to speak, when followed up by professional therapists and investigators. These are some of the widely occurring separate "persons" which have been formed under torture, and the corresponding "triggers":

. General personality-accessible under the code name ALPHA, with possible Alpha-001, Alpha-009, etc. "persons" with distinct task orientations.

. Sex programs, accessible through code name BETA; particular programs (and thus commands) are for pornography, acting, oral sex, etc.

. Assassination programs, utilizing very specific modes, and espionage, accessible through code DELTA.

. OMEGA, self-destruction programs, ranging from self mutilation to suicide by many different specific possible acts.

. GAMMA, system deception, amnesia and disinformation programs. Under this or 'other codes are track-covering false origins for the structure, giving the child memories of tormenters dressed as space aliens or Mickey Mouse or in Wizard of Oz costumes.

There are said to be such other personality levels as Master Programmer, Black Master, and different mental levels of backup programs. There are reported to be personnel who have large numbers of child-victims' assignments and triggers neatly filed in their little computers.

As to previous posts about alien abductions, I would point out the GAMMA program : giving the child memories of tormenters dressed as space aliens.

The sad part in this case is that almost every victim was ridiculed and even had charges brought against them, some are still in jail today, however in the case of Paul Bonacci, they couldn't get anything to stick against him and his story was IMO the most compelling and informative of all the victims.

Or if you would like, Conspiracy Theory with Jesse Ventura touched on this sort of thing as well in Season 1 Ep 6 - Link

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reply posted on 9-6-2011 @ 05:09 PM by King Seesar

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The fact they have the technology one would assume they would test it or have tested it or they would have never created them in the first place, also the fact the president ordered this commission would seem to dictate that he knows something or suspects something is going on, while the testimonies of the victims might not be the final nail in the coffen of such black op programs but it is a start to get people thinking and could very well cause a domino effect where more proof is presented....

For instance there's two separate cases where two TI's went to the police with the claims of gang stalking and electronic harassment and in both cases the police officers knew of the crime and thought it was legit and are now in the process of investigating the crime, so you see people are starting to realize this is a true crime.

But i get what your saying, your not so much a skeptic but your looking at it through your logical perception of the mater which is fine...

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reply posted on 9-6-2011 @ 05:19 PM by Riposte

Sounds like a kundalini awakening to me, not a government mind control experiment. This person probably has no idea what's happening to him/her and trying to come up with a reason.

reply posted on 9-6-2011 @ 06:46 PM by darkest4

I'm a huge skeptic and demand to see evidence for any "theory" and tend to disbelieve 99% of the junk on this site to be honest. Trauma based mind control and the like is actually one of the very few "conspiracy theories" I suspect might be very real. And I don't mean the fact that there were some experiments done which yes is fact, but that there really are shattered "mind controlled" sex slaves and the like from monarch programming etc. Its probably the single scariest and most disturbing "conspiracy theory" if its real and yet it often gets overlooked in favor of silly sideshows like big foot and fake grey alien interviews etc

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reply posted on 9-6-2011 @ 07:17 PM by NephlimKilla

Wait a second, you mean they are having hearings about this? I THOUGHT MKULTRA WAS A CONSPIRACY THEORY THAT HELPS SCRIPT THE MEN WHO STARE AT GOATS?? Just joking....This is amazing though...Too bad they will never admit it or will only when someone gets publicly hurt or dies from it. Just like when the CIA was putting drugs in the water (I forget the area, just learned about this incident in my Drugs and Behavior class) to see if it was plausible that another country could poison our supply and have us hallucinating and such...Smh, the federal side of the government really is the dirtiest when you read everything in my opinion.

reply posted on 9-6-2011 @ 08:00 PM by MemoryShock

Originally posted by King Seesar
heck even two moderators on here are TI's (targeted individuals)

I have no idea what you are talking about...

The links in my signature are there for a reason.

I wish I could have been there...

reply posted on 9-6-2011 @ 08:11 PM by King Seesar

reply to post by MemoryShock

Hey MemoryShock it's been a while i hope your doing well, yea a few months ago back in March when i talked about the committee that was formed on the unethical treatment of human beings this is the committee i was talking about, didn't have that much info at the time but added info as i got it and i'm glad somebody made a thread about the meeting in May and it's getting a good amount of flags which means more awareness is being paid attention to on the subject and i'm with you i wish i could of been at either the March or May meetings myself.....anyway good to hear from ya.

reply posted on 9-6-2011 @ 08:15 PM by MemoryShock

reply to post by King Seesar

It has been awhile...real life has been very interesting in 'normal' ways for awhile...but the topic and memories are still close to me...

One Day...

reply posted on 9-6-2011 @ 08:28 PM by bhornbuckle75

Originally posted by King Seesar
reply to post by bhornbuckle75

The fact they have the technology one would assume they would test it or have tested it or they would have never created them in the first place, also the fact the president ordered this commission would seem to dictate that he knows something or suspects something is going on, while the testimonies of the victims might not be the final nail in the coffen of such black op programs but it is a start to get people thinking and could very well cause a domino effect where more proof is presented....

For instance there's two separate cases where two TI's went to the police with the claims of gang stalking and electronic harassment and in both cases the police officers knew of the crime and thought it was legit and are now in the process of investigating the crime, so you see people are starting to realize this is a true crime.

But i get what your saying, your not so much a skeptic but your looking at it through your logical perception of the mater which is fine...

edit on 9-6-2011 by King Seesar because: (no reason given)

Right....that's more or less what I'm doing. I like to to try to examine all of the possible assumptions in an arguement and see how much legitimacy there actually is in a claim. People often misread me as being an ardent skeptic, when really I'm just trying to discover the truth. I try to stay open minded...and to me, being open minded means being open to skeptical possibilities as well. There is (however) some subjects that I am strongly skeptical of...simply because I've looked at all the evidence and have found nothing but wild speculation backing it up....This isn't one of those subjects, though. I wouldn't be too terribly shocked if there is some real legitimacy to these claims. Hopefully if they are true..then some conclusive and damning evidence will come forward.

Also I did hear about a case of electronic harrasment that was taken quite seriously by the courts recently. I think in the case I read about (it may be one of the ones you are speaking of) that the party accused of doing so wasn't necessarily the Government nor some group associated with the Government.....Hard to believe that any group other than the Feds could get a hold of technology like that.....Then again I suppose the group in question probably wasn't just some street gang...but something more akin to the Mafia....I'd be curios to know more about that case actually. I'll have to do a bit of research and find out more about it.

reply posted on 9-6-2011 @ 09:22 PM by King Seesar

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Funny because i posted a analysis about a week ago talking about how i approach topics and the like and we do it the exact same way almost, kinda funny.

Anyhow unfortunately the voice to skull elements of direct energy weapons are becoming more and more commen and what i mean by that is about six months ago some one posted a topic about a stereo system that beems the waves directly to your head through the use of satellite so no one can hear the music except the listener (tried to do a ATS search but couldn't find the thread sorry) he linked to a article on the topic and it checked out and i have no doubt that some of these weapons that are used by black ops or rouge groups utilize much of the same technology that the stereo company came up with...

reply posted on 9-6-2011 @ 09:33 PM by B.Morrison

Originally posted by bhornbuckle75
reply to post by TechNoir

The problem with these testimonies is that they seem to be exactly the sort of delusions one finds in Schizophrenic people....Many of these people may indeed be telling the truth, we do know of Mind control experiments in the past....but simple testimony about what you believe is happening to you is not enough. MKULTRA was exposed not from by testimony like this but by actual documents, and other verifiable evidence. A bunch of people hypothesising that they are the victims of 'microwaves' or 'hypnosis' is interesting but it's really not proof of anything. I've known some schizophrenic people in my life and they all had similar sorts of elaborate delusions. For instance one thought her ex-husband's friends were constantly following her. They come across as more or less normal much of the time, so it's really impossible to say how many...if any...of the people testifying are actual victims of experimentation..They are just as likely victims of their own faulty brain chemistry.

"there is no such thing as a mentally healthy person, only differring degrees of pathology" - Dr. Chris Hyatt.

which means that there is no model of perfect mental health that a doctor can point to and say 'that is how you should be' even your doctor is crazy in one way or another.

I just thought that might be interesting to mention.

Peace,
-Bob

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reply posted on 9-6-2011 @ 09:37 PM by B.Morrison

Originally posted by bhornbuckle75

Originally posted by King Seesar
reply to post by bhornbuckle75

The technology being imployed in alot of these mind control cases mimics schizophrenia such as auditory hallucination and synthetic telepathy that is on purpose as it hides the experimentation, way to many people are coming fourth with these claims heck even two moderators on here are TI's (targeted individuals) now i already showed you proof that this technology is not a myth you heard it right from the horses mouth Donald Rumsfeld and who do you think there gonna test these weapons on Santa Claus? Just like when they were testing the after effects of nuclear weapons they used human beings as they have with all experimentation even on the unsuspecting as in MK-Ultra.
edit on 9-6-2011 by King Seesar because: (no reason given)

To argue that the experimentations themselves may mimic schizophrenia, and that this is, in fact done on purpose to help cover it up, is of course a valid argument. I disagree that 'too many people' have come forward for it to be fake....Schizophrenia is actually more widespread than most people realize, and could easily account for the numbers of people coming forward.

The point I was trying to make, though wasn't to attack the possibility that this could be real...I believe that, at the very least, it is certainly possible that such a thing could be going on....I am only suggesting that 'testimonies' like these will never prove anything. If the MKULTRA tests only had testimonies like these then it would still be a secret! Also the simply fact that there are theories, and even some real world technology that could be used for such experimentation is no proof either. There is an awful large gap between it being possible, and it being real....For instance if I had a gun, then it would be possible that I have shot someone. I have that capability. That doesn't mean that I HAVE shot anyone, however.

you will find the proof you desire, send your jack russel into the sewers and have it bring you back some rats...

-Bob

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reply posted on 10-6-2011 @ 02:19 AM by bhornbuckle75

Originally posted by King Seesar
reply to post by bhornbuckle75

Funny because i posted a analysis about a week ago talking about how i approach topics and the like and we do it the exact same way almost, kinda funny.

Anyhow unfortunately the voice to skull elements of direct energy weapons are becoming more and more commen and what i mean by that is about six months ago some one posted a topic about a stereo system that beems the waves directly to your head through the use of satellite so no one can hear the music except the listener (tried to do a ATS search but couldn't find the thread sorry) he linked to a article on the topic and it checked out and i have no doubt that some of these weapons that are used by black ops or rouge groups utilize much of the same technology that the stereo company came up with...

Wow..that's fascinating.... Definitely send me the link to that if you come across it! I've heard of some similar things...I know they have a purely acoustic device that can send an audible signal to one person in a crowded room...I saw a show on the Discovery channel (I think it was Discovery anyway). I liked the answer the scientist gave for when the interviewer asked him how such a device could possibly work...He said "Ah...well that's easy. First you take a 10 million dollar grant from the Military...then you mix that with 9 years of research!"

(paraphrasing from memory of course...but it was words to that effect)

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reply posted on 10-6-2011 @ 02:28 AM by bhornbuckle75

Originally posted by B.Morrison

Originally posted by bhornbuckle75
reply to post by TechNoir

The problem with these testimonies is that they seem to be exactly the sort of delusions one finds in Schizophrenic people....Many of these people may indeed be telling the truth, we do know of Mind control experiments in the past....but simple testimony about what you believe is happening to you is not enough. MKULTRA was exposed not from by testimony like this but by actual documents, and other verifiable evidence. A bunch of people hypothesising that they are the victims of 'microwaves' or 'hypnosis' is interesting but it's really not proof of anything. I've known some schizophrenic people in my life and they all had similar sorts of elaborate delusions. For instance one thought her ex-husband's friends were constantly following her. They come across as more or less normal much of the time, so it's really impossible to say how many...if any...of the people testifying are actual victims of experimentation..They are just as likely victims of their own faulty brain chemistry.

"there is no such thing as a mentally healthy person, only differring degrees of pathology" - Dr. Chris Hyatt.

which means that there is no model of perfect mental health that a doctor can point to and say 'that is how you should be' even your doctor is crazy in one way or another.

I just thought that might be interesting to mention.

Peace,
-Bob
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True enough, but at the same time a person who suffers from certain mental diseases such as Schizophrenia are at a much deeper level of pathology than the average person. Though I don't think you were trying to cast doubt on that fact. I'd probably agree with that quote, in the sense that we all have certain levels of pathological issues to deal with....having none at all would basically mean you weren't human!

reply posted on 10-6-2011 @ 02:29 AM by bhornbuckle75

Originally posted by B.Morrison

Originally posted by bhornbuckle75

Originally posted by King Seesar
reply to post by bhornbuckle75

The technology being imployed in alot of these mind control cases mimics schizophrenia such as auditory hallucination and synthetic telepathy that is on purpose as it hides the experimentation, way to many people are coming fourth with these claims heck even two moderators on here are TI's (targeted individuals) now i already showed you proof that this technology is not a myth you heard it right from the horses mouth Donald Rumsfeld and who do you think there gonna test these weapons on Santa Claus? Just like when they were testing the after effects of nuclear weapons they used human beings as they have with all experimentation even on the unsuspecting as in MK-Ultra.
edit on 9-6-2011 by King Seesar because: (no reason given)

To argue that the experimentations themselves may mimic schizophrenia, and that this is, in fact done on purpose to help cover it up, is of course a valid argument. I disagree that 'too many people' have come forward for it to be fake....Schizophrenia is actually more widespread than most people realize, and could easily account for the numbers of people coming forward.

The point I was trying to make, though wasn't to attack the possibility that this could be real...I believe that, at the very least, it is certainly possible that such a thing could be going on....I am only suggesting that 'testimonies' like these will never prove anything. If the MKULTRA tests only had testimonies like these then it would still be a secret! Also the simply fact that there are theories, and even some real world technology that could be used for such experimentation is no proof either. There is an awful large gap between it being possible, and it being real....For instance if I had a gun, then it would be possible that I have shot someone. I have that capability. That doesn't mean that I HAVE shot anyone, however.

you will find the proof you desire, send your jack russel into the sewers and have it bring you back some rats...

-Bob
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But I have Pomeranians!

reply posted on 10-6-2011 @ 03:05 AM by B.Morrison

Originally posted by bhornbuckle75
I'd probably agree with that quote, in the sense that we all have certain levels of pathological issues to deal with....having none at all would basically mean you weren't human!

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but seriously though I just had a thought,
when people are tested for schizophrenia what standards are they measured against?

here's my angle -
say a schizophrenic person goes in for the test and is measured against a standard which is based on an average from a pool of people who don't have schizoprenic minds.

How then can one appropriately evaluate the effects of schizophrenia on 'the mind' (as a general term) if the "thing" which is being termed schizophrenia can only happen to schizophrenic minds.

This leads me to another question which is how can we know that what we are deeming extreme levels of pathology attributed with what we term schizophrenics, is indeed extreme at all for someone with schizophrenia.

In other words while we may know that a 'normal' mind would be extremely pathological attempting to function as a schizophrenic mind would; how do we know that schizophrenic minds don't have the same levels of pathology as a normally functioning mind & that its not the scale by which we are measuring the minds instead which is incorrect.

I think I'm going to dig around a bit and see what I can find out with regards to the tests/evaluations & how its all done, whether my theory has legs or not..should be interesting.

Peace,
-Bob

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reply posted on 10-6-2011 @ 10:42 AM by MemoryShock

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There was a link I came across several years ago detailing how India has a way higher success rate in treating "schizophrenia" precisely because they use family and friends in the treatment process rather than committing the subject...the family/friends are given counseling to aid in empathy for the subject...I'll see if I can find the link...

reply posted on 10-6-2011 @ 03:52 PM by King Seesar

reply to post by bhornbuckle75

I searched and searched and couldn't find the thread about the new stereo system that beems the signal right into your head but i found something along those lines that i think is part of the implementation of the tech of this stereo system i'll link the page.....

www.internationalrobotics.com...

The part about the Hypersonic Sound-Beam is where there's probably the same dynamics as the stereo system i was talking about...sounds fun now we have everybody making this type of technology (sarcasm), pretty soon instead of a water gun fight we can have a "i'll beem the louder sound in your head" play fights.....my god what a scary world we are living in....

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