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War on Women Is 2012 Democrat Rallying Cry

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posted on Jun, 10 2011 @ 11:42 AM
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Originally posted by Indigo5
How about googling "WW2 soviets and women snipers" or "women make better snipers" or "women marksmen"

In military circles it is a well understood fact. Doesn't mean a man can't make a good sniper, just on average women are better.



One thing to think about, is that I believe men in the military represent a larger cross-section of men in general, than women in the military do. So with a larger cross-section of men, you are bound to get a larger percentage that are poor marksmen. It would seem women that join the military are more "the best of the best" compared to the larger number of men that join (in regards to military duties of course, not better overall in any way) so that could be a factor. I'm not stating this as fact, or with proof, but just trying to logically think things out.

In addition marksmanship isn't the only consideration for special forces members. The physical aspect is perhaps more important, and I think few would argue against the idea that the "best" men are quite a bit more physically capable than the "best" women. Looking at the Olympics makes this fairly obvious, with men holding better records than women in their respective fields. This actually includes the shooting records too, where if you check the records held by men and women, men almost always have a higher score than in the women's category. So it would appear there is evidence for men being superior marksmen as well.

I believe the point that was trying to be made, is that that some women pick and choose which issues they bring biology into. They might believe that biology doesn't matter in a military situation, but I think most would disagree. Other issues they gladly bring biology into if it benefits them.
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posted on Jun, 10 2011 @ 01:28 PM
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Both parties will use ANYTHING they think will get votes. Republicans do it, too.

Kill Granny
Pals around with Terrorists
Socialism!!!
He's a Muslim!
He's a foreigner, usurper! His BC is fake
His wife is a racist!

This is not a one-sided thing.

This particular cry is as lame as the rest, though, seeing as how Republicans want to take the right of abortion away from women (not to mention their defunding of Planned Parenthood). That's enough to lose a lot of female votes right there. The GOP has always had a War on Women. It's not even new.



posted on Jun, 10 2011 @ 06:44 PM
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Originally posted by TheWalkingFox

It absolutely is. it's the right to self-determination, basically. There is no sensible argument for why any woman should be denied the ability to regulate when and if she wants to be pregnant.


Birth control is a privilege of modern technology. No one is demanding that birth control be outlawed, only that individuals pay for their own birth control. Without birth control, women still have the ability to regulate when pregnancy occurs.


If you honestly believe this, then I have nothing but pity for you, and fear for any daughters you raise.


Why? Because they would be raised with a sense of personal responsiblity rather than with a sense of entitlement simply because they're a female? Because they would eventually grow up and not behave like helpless children all their life?


No it doesn't. The woman's life has far more value.


Protecting the lives of the unborn does not mean taking the lives of women. And how could you possibly compare the value of two lives when one hasn't even had a chance to live?


Her needs, and even her wants, carry vastly more weight with regards to what she does with herself. granting rights to the unborn very obviously imperils the rights of self-determination for the woman.


I fear for the future with people like yourself reproducing. You're raising a generation of self-centered, narcissistic individuals who think the world should cater to them, even if it costs the life of someone else.


Ever wondered why, in the fairy tales there are so very many stepmothers? because it used to be that the child was considered more important than the mother; given the choice between the "father's child" or the womb that carried it, preference was always given to the child. Women were replaceable, but children were valued possessions.


Children SHOULD be considered the most important demographic in our society and should be the most protected. However, like someone else pointed out, women now have more rights than children, men, and animals. Women are now considered more helpless than children and it's offensive.


Then you know mostly dumb women.


No. They're just not gullible enough to buy into the childish feminist mindset. Abortion is just another way for men to control women and a some women have picked up on this. Most women who have had abortions say that they felt pressured by boyfriends and husbands to have one. They were threatened to be abandoned.

I really hope you're not a man...if so, then that's just pathetic.



posted on Jun, 10 2011 @ 06:54 PM
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Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1

What if you were raped? Would you keep the kid knowing that you WERE NOT a willing participant in the act?


Can't say for sure what I'd do about the child. But one thing's for sure....I would want the rapist dead.


What if you went to a party and had the person who brought you slip you a substance like GHB and raped you?


I don't take drinks from strangers.


What if the person who got you prego turned out to be a wife beater?


I don't sleep with strangers. Even if I did and ended up with a 'wife beater', the child is not guilty of anything.


Would you keep the kid and be reminded day after day of the torture and abuse you had to endure?


I'm not some irrational basket case who places blame on children for something a violent adult did. If I was beaten, it would only take once before I was out the door.


What about if you could barely afford to take care of yourself? What would you do then


If I could barely take care of myself, I wouldn't even take the chance of getting pregnant. I'd appreciate it if you would stop using the condescending tone and speaking to me as if I'm a child simply because I'm a female.



posted on Jun, 10 2011 @ 07:06 PM
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but, I believe that medicaid pays for viagra at least at this time...
so, well....let's see, some women absolutely shouldn't get pregnant, it might cause severe health problems for them.....possibly even death. other women must take medications that well, just aren't kind to developing babies....
these are two genuine, legitimate reasons why women should have birth control provided to them, even abortions....
now, tell me, just what are the adverse health effects for men not having sex???



posted on Jun, 10 2011 @ 07:09 PM
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Thank you, James. Some people seem to think that I was calling for the outlaw of birth control. I was stating that it shouldn't considered a right and that money shouldn't be stolen from people's pockets to pay for other people's sex lives.

I think giving out free handouts only reinforces irresponsibility and obviously a sense of entitlement. I have a cousin who gets free birth control and she still wound up pregnant with a 3rd child while she and her husband are in a bad financial state.



posted on Jun, 10 2011 @ 08:08 PM
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Originally posted by Indigo5

(1) You deny conflating child support with financial assistance to the woman then go ahead and state just that?

(2) As for the "i did not make an argument regarding child support" Read your own posts, it helps.


Someone needs to brush up on their reading comprehension skills. You responded to my original post as if I had made an argument regarding child support, which I did not. I then informed you of that and commented on your stance of child support, which had nothing to do with my original post. I simply reported the contradictory statements made by feminists. Reread.


The man does have rights after the first Trimester as does the government in protecting that life. You are debating when life begins not rights and seem undeucated about the laws on the books.


Some feminists in those threads claim that the child should only have rights and the father have a say once the child leaves the womb. Most seem to have this mindset. I said nothing regarding the laws.


Both men and women can claim anything. So what? Do you with to deny people the right to make a claim?


You didn't understand. It is considered date rape when a woman makes the choice to get drunk and sleep with a stranger.


Is the premise that once a woman is drunk she is fair and legal game for rapists?
a rather frightening argument you are making here.


Stop with the blatantly obvious disinformation tactics.



OK. But have their been men that pin women down and rape them while unconscious?????


Wth? What point are you trying to make by spouting out completely irrelevant, off-the-wall scenarios?



That sounds like an interesting story....link please?


This was posted in the child support thread:
mensnewsdaily.com...


Correct and true. Biology does matter is some issues, but not at all in others. Men and women are different in many ways. This seems an obvious fact of life?


Why should biology be taken into consideration in parenting issues but then we are asked to act as if biology doesn't even exist in others? That's such an asinine notion that I think even you know how ridiculous it is.


There are literally too many links to post.


If there's such an overwhelming number of links to these studies, why is it so hard to post just one? I've googled it using different search terms and haven't found anything.


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posted on Jun, 10 2011 @ 08:22 PM
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It's not the job of the government to take on the role of catering to the sex lives of its citizens. The same people who scream "stay out of my bedroom" are the same people who get angry if they are demanded to pay for their own birth control. If you are not in a position to get pregnant, you can pay for birth control yourself, be sterilized, or abstain from sex. Adults know the consequences of their actions and are not mentally handicapped. There's no excuse for an abortion as a result of consensual sex.

Basically, your argument is that people are too stupid to take control of their own lives and must be taken care of by the government.


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posted on Jun, 11 2011 @ 02:01 PM
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Harm,

I am not putting you down nor am I trying to talk down to you. All I am stating is worst case scenarios. It is not my intention if you took anything said as offensive and do apologize if you do.



posted on Jun, 11 2011 @ 02:04 PM
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Originally posted by HarmonicNights
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It's not the job of the government to take on the role of catering to the sex lives of its citizens. The same people who scream "stay out of my bedroom" are the same people who get angry if they are demanded to pay for their own birth control. If you are not in a position to get pregnant, you can pay for birth control yourself, be sterilized, or abstain from sex. Adults know the consequences of their actions and are not mentally handicapped. There's no excuse for an abortion as a result of consensual sex.

Basically, your argument is that people are too stupid to take control of their own lives and must be taken care of by the government.


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People get all in a tizzy if Gov't tries to pass a law that infringes what a couple can do in the privacy of their own bedroom yet remain silent when Faith does the exact same thing. God don't care how you fornicate, as long as you are doing it with the person you swore in front of God with nothing else matters. Faith causes more infidelities then Govt because if you ain't getting it from your spouse you will begin to look outside your marriage for it. Monogymy should be the way forward. No one should marry anyone if they are not sexually compatible with the person as that will doom the marriage from the getgo.



posted on Jun, 11 2011 @ 02:19 PM
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It's not the job of the government to take on the role of catering to the sex lives of its citizens.


rephrased:

It's not the job of the government to take on the role of catering to the health needs of its citizens.

you wouldn't get that much argument with me with my little change to your statement....
but then.....I don't believe that most people have problem with the governemnt throwing a ton of money into medical research for say...cancer, since they know that one day they might have this disease and they are hoping that a cure if found before that happens...
it's only when it comes to women's reproductive health that the rallying cry is given and people demand the gov't step out!!!

some of those medications that I was talking about deal with mental illness, and in that case, no you cannot assume that the person has the ability to prevent pregnancy!!! and well, I know a women in NY State that had an abortion forced on her because of this!!
most of the far right conservatives are also into "family values", strong paternal marriages....and many are religious....
and that religion claims that women are to obey their husbands IN ALL THINGS!!!
so, well, while they preach and claim that women should have the sense to refrain from sex if it's harmful to them or a child is not desired, at the same time, they are trying to take the power that she has to say NO away from her.....

if my tax dollar is going to help cure a man's postate cancer, then I am sorry, I am gonna insist that it also be used to protect women's health in matters of reproduction!!



posted on Jun, 12 2011 @ 12:38 AM
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Originally posted by dawnstar

it's only when it comes to women's reproductive health that the rallying cry is given and people demand the gov't step out!!!


The reason Planned Parenthood has received so much heat is because of the abortion issue as well as other corrupt operations they have been caught taking part in.


some of those medications that I was talking about deal with mental illness, and in that case, no you cannot assume that the person has the ability to prevent pregnancy!!!


The only time a woman can be impregnated against her will is rape. Don't even use the "accidental pregnancy" excuse. Everytime you have sex, you are taking the risk of getting pregnant.


and that religion claims that women are to obey their husbands IN ALL THINGS!!!
so, well, while they preach and claim that women should have the sense to refrain from sex if it's harmful to them or a child is not desired, at the same time, they are trying to take the power that she has to say NO away from her.....


I'm not religious. None of the right wingers I have ever known who are deeply into their Christian faith have this viewpoint. You're really reaching here. Very conservative men are by far the most respectful to women while liberal men are the least respectful. It's liberal men who don't support a woman's (or any other person's) right to protect and defend herself from rapists and other violent criminals. Guns are equalizers.


if my tax dollar is going to help cure a man's postate cancer, then I am sorry, I am gonna insist that it also be used to protect women's health in matters of reproduction!!


Health care should be privatized and the government needs to get their hands out of people's pockets. Women are not suddenly doomed if PP is defunded. That's only a sensationalist tactic used by the left.

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posted on Jun, 12 2011 @ 12:55 AM
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Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
Both parties, Democrats and Republicans alike, have been engaged in a protracted war on the people, and by "the people" I mean individuals. Both parties revile individualism with a passion, and have long endeavored to bring to a crashing halt to the power of one.


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Ah, a breath of clarity and fresh air. The "middle class" is fast on the extermination agenda, from both parties.



posted on Jun, 12 2011 @ 01:36 AM
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As a recovering liberal myself, I find the paternizing claim of 'War on Womyn' laughable. In the age of total lack of self determination, self responsibility, and self respect to be totally absent, of course the dumbed down would DEMAND someone else pay for their personal choices. The victimhood group think 'its NOT fair (fill in self perceived aggrievement)' trumps all.

There is NO sound reason that Planned Parenthood should be funded by the Federal Government. However thje governemnt facilitation of PP into lower income areas keeps a great portion of the population of those areas in a responsibility free lifestyle that helps perpetuate same. What Margaret Sanger dreampt of in her 'eugenics of the undesirables' Lyndon Johnson (and the accomodating Democrats) Great Society all but finished. The Black family has all but been destroyed in the inner city; and rural, low income whites have similar statistics. Accountability of both potential parents has been replaced by a trip to the clinic and/or welfare/section 8/ etc office.

Bottom line, be stupid, wreckless, use poor judgemnt and BIG government will step in and make it all right. Just keep US in office...



posted on Jun, 12 2011 @ 07:49 AM
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one of those filmed setups that have been done to planned parenthood was done in the area that I live in....
they came in, did their thing, and well....what isn't being said in the conservative blogs is that the cops were called either before they had left, or right afterwards......there's two sides to every story....

and the mentally ill girl I was talking about from NY, well, no, I wouldn't expect her to take resposnibility for herself the state didn't expect it either (which is why there was a FORCED abortion done. she was well over 20 years old and still in the care of her parents, and well, although she might have been capable of giving consent, that would have been about it.... she certainly didn't understand the fact that her meds would totally screw up a developing fetus, not even years later when I talked with her.
as far as people paying for their own reproductive care, well, just as soon as people start paying for their own healthcare, their own health insurance, drug companies start paying for their own research, doctors and nurses start paying for their own training, and well the medical research is done without tax dollars....
as far as I am concerned enough tax dollars goes into the healthcare industry at this time to pay for everyone's healthcare and it should be free for all of us!! even the birth control!!! and if we ever did (which might be necessary in the near future) strip that money from the system, we'd more than likely no have "the best healthcare system" (which is debatable!!! if it was the best, why are so many taking trips to other countries for their medical care???)......it would be more like chaos!!!
and, I am sorry, but well, religious believes does have an impact on this.....the religion tells women that they are to obey the men, that they shouldn't be working, unless the man wants them to -no funds of your own, no independence, well, one is more apt to go along with things that they wouldn't othewise!! and well, one only needs to look at these boards to know that there's alot of men out there who think that the women should be left holding the bag when it comes to child support!!!

matter of fact, if you think about it, most of the world is in turmoil over the conflict of women should have rights or be subservient little creatures who's role is solely defined by men!! men want their little servants back, and one way to get them back is bog them down with more children with no way to financially care for them!!
dependency=servitude and a pampered slave is still just a slave!!!!



posted on Jun, 12 2011 @ 09:03 PM
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Originally posted by dawnstar


I wasn't saying that the filmed setups were 100% what they appeared to be, but the point is PP has made a bad name for itself and that's why they are receiving so much heat.

As for the story of the mentally ill woman, ALL women are treated as if they are mentally ill by liberals.

Privatized healthcare is the way to go. The less reliance on the government to provide, the better. The more reliance, the more irresponsible, childish, and chaotic our society becomes.


and, I am sorry, but well, religious believes does have an impact on this.....the religion tells women that they are to obey the men


No, religion does not have an impact on people opposing thievery by the government. People wishing to stop government handouts has absolutely NOTHING to do with "women obeying men".


that they shouldn't be working


You don't have to be religious in order to value the traditional nuclear family model. Accepting inherent biological differences and natural roles in society does not come from some type of hatred like you have been socially engineered to believe.


no independence


You all of a sudden value independence? Then why do you wish to remain dependent on the government? The so-called "independent" feminists are not independent at all. They support the nanny state and certainly don't have an independent mind.


and well, one only needs to look at these boards to know that there's alot of men out there who think that the women should be left holding the bag when it comes to child support!!!


Most of the men were saying that the custodial parent, whether that be the mother or the father, take on the financial responsiblity of the child. They were also pointing out the hypocrisy by feminists who claim that whether the child be aborted or not should be solely her choice and that the child is just "another part of her body", and then turn around and suddenly demand that the father have concern for the child and have to pay for HER choice.


men want their little servants back


So if women must pay for their own reproduction, they are servants?


and one way to get them back is bog them down with more children with no way to financially care for them!!


Women who consent to sex were NOT forced to spread their legs and get pregnant. If you wanna claim that a fetus is solely YOURS, then you need to take on the responsibility of your own reproduction and stop blaming men for your sexual choices. Men who are the custodial parent usually take on financial responsibility themselves and don't ask anything from the mother.


dependency=servitude and a pampered slave is still just a slave!!!!


Are you seriously not seeing the blatant hypocrisy here?

dependency on government= servitude and a pampered slave (pampered with handouts like birth control) is still just a slave



posted on Jun, 13 2011 @ 05:08 AM
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dependency on government= servitude and a pampered slave (pampered with handouts like birth control) is still just a slave


again, nothing against what you said here....
so while the gov't and big business have been running an agenda for the past few decades to bring more and more people into that servitude, with outsourcing, low wages, inflation, and high cost of living, well, let's all gripe about the little white pills and abortions that would prevent more people being born into the trap!!!
let's not demand higher wages for the lower end of the payment structure or something be done to keep the jobs here instead of flying away to china where they can treat their employees as slaves...na.....
it's those little white pills and abortions that are killing us all!!!

they should have passed the ERA in the 70's, instead they passed a bunch of programs that just switched the masters from husband to gov't......
and this has led us to the point now where a major portion of our population is now depending on the gov't, either directly or indirectly.





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posted on Jun, 13 2011 @ 08:20 AM
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Politics are considered too complicated for women to take an interest in. Thats why womens politics has been created, to nab the female vote. Its all about establishing who the nice guy is and who zhe evil wifebeater is.



posted on Jun, 14 2011 @ 06:44 PM
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Originally posted by dawnstar

it's those little white pills and abortions that are killing us all!!!


Abortion has taken millions of lives since the unborn were deemed unworthy of any rights. This rampant narcissistic sense of entitlement and reckless behavior has without a doubt been one of the most significant factors in social decay. It would take a miracle for this to be reversed. Western civilization will most likely be wiped out before we even get a chance to start.



posted on Jun, 14 2011 @ 06:47 PM
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and, how many women lost their lives trying to deliver baby after baby before those little pills came into being??
your main argument has been that the gov't has no business handing out birth control.....
only many times birth control is a part of a women's healthcare. so, well, if the gov't has no business getting involved with that, then my next step in logic would be that the gov't has no business handing out any healthcare.....
which, well, obviously they are doing!!


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