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Creflo Dollar ORDERS Eddie Long's Former Church Members to 'GO BACK'

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posted on Jun, 8 2011 @ 12:33 PM
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This is some of the craziest stuff i've heard in a looooooong time. Eddie Long was accused of having sexual relations with three young men in his congregation and settled out of court for a reported 18 million dollars (US). This guy is saying it was just "a wreck". He goes on to say if anyone in his congregation left Eddie Longs church he doesn't want them there and they should go back!! Then this man admits that if people left his church and he saw them he would "tell them about themselves"!!

WHEN WILL THIS MADNESS STOP!?! This is nothing short of a cult!!




posted on Jun, 8 2011 @ 01:07 PM
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Just to put this in perspective.



Jamal Parris, one of the young men accusing Bishop Eddie Long of coercing him into a sexual relationship, said that after he turned the legal age of consent all the pastor wanted was sex.

"His house. The hotels. His condos. In the church," Parris told Fox TV affiliate WAGA. "In the church, before and after service."


www.cbsnews.com...




Spencer LeGrande, 22, Jamal Parris, 23, Anthony Flagg, 21, and Maurice Robinson, 20, filed lawsuits against the pastor in September claiming they were 17 and 18 when Long first adopted them as his "spiritual sons." The men said Long then abused his "spiritual authority" and seduced them with cars, lavish trips and jewelry in exchange for sex, which he allegedly justified with Holy Scripture.


www.cbsnews.com...




Atlanta megachurch pastor Eddie Long has reached a settlement with four young male members of his congregation who accused him of coercing them into sex. The anti-gay-rights pastor had vowed to clear his name when the scandal broke six months ago, but he returned to the pulpit at New Birth Missionary Baptist Church without saying a word about the out-of-court agreement. Is it time to move on, or does Long owe his followers an explanation?


theweek.com...



posted on Jun, 8 2011 @ 01:52 PM
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I know the video is just a small bit of a sermon but during his rant I didn't hear one word of contrition, not one word of accountability or repentance. Sadly, it seems Creflo is more interested in threatening and chastising churchgoers instead of reflecting on why this scandal happened.

If we are to know them by their fruit, then I think we can say this fruit has gone sour but bad theology is probably just one dimension of this problem.



posted on Jun, 8 2011 @ 04:13 PM
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What i don't understand is why Eddie Long doesn't just admit he did it and THEN ask for forgiveness. Of course he would have to step down as well. He paid these guys rent, bought them cars and sent them on trips all with the church money. He was also well known for his anti-homosexual rhetoric. I'm not saying he should go to hell but c'mon now, he's still wants to be the pastor??



posted on Jun, 8 2011 @ 11:40 PM
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He may have privately, I guess it's between him and God. But you're right, since he's a pastor he should realize that he's just scandalized his entire congregation and this requires something like a public confession and prayer for repentance so that healing can begin.

But it seems that pride is winning, pride in his "anointing." Since I have nothing good to say about the theology espoused in mega churches or their pastors I'll end it there.



posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 09:43 AM
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Video has been removed by YouTube. Hmmm....



posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 10:15 AM
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BS he didn't *seduce* anyone.

I'm not sticking up for the guy he put himself in this position..

The adults he *seduced* were using him JUST AS MUCH as he was using them..

Then they turn around and screw him FOR MONEY MILLIONS..

The case is settled, he got *snipped*.

Would I go to long's church? HELL NO.

Lets not act like these adults were MADE to do it....



posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 07:34 PM
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Originally posted by hillynilly
BS he didn't *seduce* anyone.

I'm not sticking up for the guy he put himself in this position..

The adults he *seduced* were using him JUST AS MUCH as he was using them..

Then they turn around and screw him FOR MONEY MILLIONS..

The case is settled, he got *snipped*.

Would I go to long's church? HELL NO.

Lets not act like these adults were MADE to do it....


Who said he "seduced" anyone?? He's a pastor, he needs to step down. He was an anti-homosexual preacher (look him up) that was his platform. Consensual/Consmenual.



posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 07:36 PM
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Originally posted by prettygentle
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Video has been removed by YouTube. Hmmm....


That fact ALONE proves a lot. I'm sure the video has been copied and i will post it as soon as i find it.



posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 07:38 PM
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Here we go; THE ORIGINAL VIDEO




posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 07:42 PM
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If you decide to base your spiritual life around some loon named "Creflo Dollar," you deserve whatever scammy culty outcome awaits you.

Ultimately, you can't protect stupid people from their own stupidity.



posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 07:47 PM
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i've seen Creflo Dollar delivering televised sermons. IMHO he is a interesting speaker. sadly, i found out that to hear the entire sermon, you have to send in $XX.XX and they will send it to you. Creflo has the correct last name, he's all about the Dollars.



posted on Jun, 10 2011 @ 10:31 AM
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It's all a cult. It's based on personalities. And if it's based on the bible, then that's just as bad since the 'good book' is one bloodbath after another in both the OT and NT.

I thought it was interesting in that $$$ likened it to a 'wreck'. A wreck is a one-time deal, and then it's over. What Long did required many conscious thoughts and actions over a long period of time. And these are the very same people that demand that everyone else live up to their lofty standards, using the law as a weapon if necessary.

I dont care about any of these rats. I wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire. Then again, maybe I would.



posted on Jun, 10 2011 @ 11:48 AM
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I honestly believe that people like Harold Camping, Creflo Dollar and Eddie Long are going to be the reason why religion gets outlawed. If not outlawed definitely heavily restricted. These guys are on par with the muslim extremist when you think about their cult like following and when you count all the lives that have been ruined because of them.



posted on Jun, 10 2011 @ 12:06 PM
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The only ones to outlaw religions are christians, muslims and jews (the ones that whine constantly about their persecution
the poor babies)

They failed, in spite of their ruthlessness.

Religions cannot be 'outlawed', but they can die. All it takes is for people to wake up to their hypocrisy.
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posted on Jun, 10 2011 @ 01:54 PM
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I personally don't think there is anything wrong with religion. If people actually live by the books they preach from this world would be a better place. Religion is about being a better person and getting closer with your creator. It's not about judging people or any other negativity. Thats like me killing you because you meditate differently, isn't meditation all about inner peace? "If you don't open your third eye the way I open mine you're wrong and we should fight". These false prophets and preachers obtain cult like followings and mislead people, THAT (imo) is what gives religions a bad name.



posted on Jun, 10 2011 @ 03:21 PM
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Originally posted by ProphecyPhD
I personally don't think there is anything wrong with religion.


I respect that. But my opinion is different. Religion can mean anything. Since christianity is the biggest religion in the english speaking world, and I was one for 40+ years, I'll use that.


If people actually live by the books they preach from this world would be a better place.


If you are referring to christianity, I disagree. The bible is one massacre after another, OT and NT. It's also hypocritical. IOW, thou shall not murder: NOW, MURDER THEM ALL!

They are also commanded to 'go and preach to the heathen', Problems start when others try and convert those they consider to be worthless (or worse) unless they convert to the Officially Approved christian way of thinking.


Religion is about being a better person and getting closer with your creator.


It should be. It should also empower people. Otherwise, what is the point of getting closer to ones creator?


Thats like me killing you because you meditate differently, isn't meditation all about inner peace?


That, and personal empowerment.


"If you don't open your third eye the way I open mine you're wrong and we should fight". These false prophets and preachers obtain cult like followings and mislead people, THAT (imo) is what gives religions a bad name.


The left hand path has that problem too. They can be just as dogmatic, if not more so. It sucks to say that, but it's true from what I've seen so far. I was hoping it would be different than christianity in that way, but it's pretty much the same. So in my opinion it's best to go it alone for the most part and not depend on others.



posted on Jun, 10 2011 @ 03:39 PM
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I respect your post and your opinion as well, it was a decently worded rationalization. However, i feel if people lived by Jesus Christ teachings and strived to become more like him this world would be a drastically different place. If more people read the Holy Bible for themselves and spent time in prayer and meditation instead of relying on these charlatans peoples views on religion would be different (imho).



posted on Jun, 10 2011 @ 04:01 PM
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After watching this I am impressed by the fact that this guy is a shrewd operator. He has his manipulative patter down pat.

When I see charismatic people like this working big crowds (religious or secular), I have to wonder...did Rev. Dollar and similar preachers learn this skill through some sort of systematic study of how to manipulate crowds, or is it an inborn, innate skill? Something he somehow "feels" his way towards? Thoughts?



posted on Jun, 10 2011 @ 04:07 PM
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Check this out. It goes into the subliminal programming that clergy (and others) use.

www.trans4mind.com...
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