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1919 signed letter contains Hitler's first known stance on Jewish 'removal'

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posted on Jun, 8 2011 @ 05:40 AM
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During that time Hitler was Bildungsoffizier – Officer for Education - of the Gruppenkommando – Group Command - under Hauptmann Mayr.
On September 4th 1919 Adolf Gemlich wrote a letter to Hauptmann Mayr, after he was asked by a friend to join an organization that was anti-semitic. He wondered, if the government of that time could tolerate an organization that could lead to riots, but also why the government did accept the jews and allow them to have power, if they were a danger to the country.
Obviously he was a coward, who wanted to act like an anti-semit, but needed someone to give him the absolution.
Mayr did not answer himself, but asked Hitler to do so. This was the mentioned letter of September 16. And of course, Hitler was glad to tell that hesitating guy that the jews are not emanzipated and don’t earn to be treated as equal.

The letter itself was known long before and there is no reason to doubt, if it is legit. You cannot compromise this crazy – yes, he was crazy – dictator with such a relatively harmless letter. What he did during his leadership was far worse.

To yell “fake” and “conspiracy” does not make any sense. For even if that letter was a fake it still would not change Hitler’s role in history.

Here is a link to a PDF-file, which has the full text and the conversations before and after (in German, of course):
Gemlich letter




posted on Jun, 8 2011 @ 06:25 AM
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I know he ordered the extermination of millions , but did hitler actually physically kill anyone ?

All the time we hear how he killed them , when in reality he only issued orders to do so.
Not that issuing orders to kill millions isnt in any justified because he didnt do it personally.

However Im just asking did he actually kill anyone in his life ?



posted on Jun, 8 2011 @ 06:41 AM
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Originally posted by sapien82
I know he ordered the extermination of millions , but did hitler actually physically kill anyone ?

All the time we hear how he killed them , when in reality he only issued orders to do so.
Not that issuing orders to kill millions isnt in any justified because he didnt do it personally.

However Im just asking did he actually kill anyone in his life ?


Can you provide evidence of that specific order?
Because I haven't seen it yet.



posted on Jun, 8 2011 @ 07:45 AM
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Originally posted by Regenstorm
Can you provide evidence of that specific order?
Because I haven't seen it yet.


Indeed, there is no written order.
So what is your version then, Regenstorm?
Was Hitler an innocent lovable man, who was surrounded by bad guys, who did all this without his knowledge?
Or was he the weakest leader on earth and did not know, what was happening around him?
Did all that just happen by accident? (Ooops!)
Or are you one of those, who try to tell the world, that there never was a holocaust, maybe even no worldwar and even no 20th century at all?



posted on Jun, 8 2011 @ 09:03 AM
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Everyone seems to believe OUR government does everything by accident. Iraq invasion for WMDs? Whoops, can't find em. Millions dead. Ooops.

New Orleans destroyed, all help denied by FEMA? Whoops. My bad.

Economic crash? Whoops.. My bad

Deepwater disaster? Whoops. My bad.

Fukushima disaster? Stuxnet virus>? Whoops. My bad.

Libya invasion? Just helpin out. Whoops, killed lots of innocents. My bad.



posted on Jun, 8 2011 @ 09:12 AM
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Originally posted by CaptChaos
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Everyone seems to believe OUR government does everything by accident.


Hehe, not everyone. I think YOUR government knows exactly why they act like they do. They only start to follow the script, before the end is written.



posted on Jun, 8 2011 @ 04:30 PM
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Or was he the weakest leader on earth and did not know, what was happening around him?
Did all that just happen by accident? (Ooops!)


Not sure but I don't think he was alone or possibly even the true leader of this atrocity..
IMO there were powerful people around the world that wanted what happened...

Hitler may have been agreeable and mad but maybe just a puppet..
We see it even today....Puppets everywhere..



posted on Jun, 8 2011 @ 05:17 PM
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Originally posted by Siddharta

Originally posted by Regenstorm
Can you provide evidence of that specific order?
Because I haven't seen it yet.


Indeed, there is no written order.
So what is your version then, Regenstorm?
Was Hitler an innocent lovable man, who was surrounded by bad guys, who did all this without his knowledge?
Or was he the weakest leader on earth and did not know, what was happening around him?
Did all that just happen by accident? (Ooops!)
Or are you one of those, who try to tell the world, that there never was a holocaust, maybe even no world war and even no 20th century at all?


I start to doubt something when it's forbidden to doubt about it. I have to appear in court soon because I openly doubted certain events in history. Everyone should listen/read to every side of the story and make up their own minds.



posted on Jun, 8 2011 @ 05:20 PM
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He wasn't a puppet, that's why he was such a threat for TPTB. Puppets of TPTB are always recognizable by their symbolics. So far I didn't find any symbols of TPTB within the Third Reich. Only Mussolini (ITALY) used the symbol of Fascism.



posted on Jun, 8 2011 @ 06:13 PM
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So because history is written by the victors, that means the historical accounts cannot be trusted? The war itself was a big misunderstanding - is that what you're saying? Germany just wanted to borrow the areas they invaded in WWII? The pics of concentration camps and the horrors therein were mere exaggerations? So Hitler was a stand up guy - this is what you would have us believe?

Sorry man, but you're being sympathetic to the second anti-christ and won't get any bravado from me. Ignore history at your peril and you will be forced to repeat it.



posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 01:50 AM
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Ok So there is no proof he gave the order signed a paper , and there is no evidence that he actually killed anyone. So why then is Hitler the most hated man ever , and why has he been made the scapegoat for the atrocities carried out in WW2?

Im just asking because I spent a good while in history learning alot about WW2 , and I'm beginning to feel pretty pissed off because it seems I spent alot of time learning lies and bull# instead of the truth.
In art I learned how to draw and paint what I see , in History I learned how to perpetrate lies and propaganda.

WTF !



posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 05:32 AM
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Originally posted by Regenstorm
I start to doubt something when it's forbidden to doubt about it. I have to appear in court soon because I openly doubted certain events in history. Everyone should listen/read to every side of the story and make up their own minds.


Let me guess. The court wants to here you, because you are suspect of violation of § 130 StGB...


Strafgesetzbuch § 130 Volksverhetzung (3) Mit Freiheitsstrafe bis zu fünf Jahren oder mit Geldstrafe wird bestraft, wer eine unter der Herrschaft des Nationalsozialismus begangene Handlung der in § 6 Abs. 1 des Völkerstrafgesetzbuches bezeichneten Art in einer Weise, die geeignet ist, den öffentlichen Frieden zu stören, öffentlich oder in einer Versammlung billigt, leugnet oder verharmlost.


Which says:

"Criminal code
§ 130
Sedition
(3) A prison sentence of up to five years or a fine will be imposed on anyone who approves, denies or plays down an act committed as described in § 6 paragraph 1 of the International Criminal Type under the rule of National Socialism in a manner that is likely to disturb the public peace, in public or in a meeting."

This is not about doubting the truth, but spreading disinformation and trying to recruit new Neo-Nazis.
Nowadays this is often done by joining discussions on the internet and trying to get sympathies in a seemingly harmless manner, then slowly approaching to those, who have similar ideas and finally contacting them.

Usually they do not appear alone, but have somebody in the discussion, who plays the role of the "doubting" person, who gets convinced very soon.

Funnily there is a parallel line between the discussed letter here - convincing a guy, who is not sure, if it would be legal to join such a group - and this new form of propaganda. Another parallel is the turning around of the facts. A conspiracy forum like ATS seems to be the ideal play ground.

edit on 9-6-2011 by Siddharta because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 05:50 AM
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The timing of this event, of course, leaves little to the imagination. *wink wink*

Just like with all of the "sudden" Chinese historical discoveries. *wink wink*



posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 06:29 AM
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I think Hitler, at this point, was voicing popular opinion influenced by occultists who would form the Thule society in the aftermath of the failed Bavarian Revolution. He witnessed anarchist Communist Jews try to take over Germany by proclaiming Bavaria a free socialist state after a coup.



posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 06:32 AM
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I recommend you to read "Night" by Elie Wiesel.
A real eye-opener if you compare it with reality.



posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 07:32 AM
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I must admit, you surprise me with that recommendation. It makes me wonder, what your real intentions are.
Probably Wiesel's style of writing - mixing facts with fiction - shall convince me, that the whole holocaust is fiction?

Wiesel himself said:

Some events do take place but are not true; others are—although they never occurred.


I don't think, that this kind of literature can attest anything the one way or the other. But it can impart the subjective feelings of the time.



posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 07:37 AM
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Type written with a signature at the bottom, the signature is running down the page like a fourth grader did it, letter has no visible creases despite being secret for so long,

"the most important 3rd reich document in history" yet it has just now been found?


the words "Entfernung der Juden," German for "removal of Jews" - which Hitler wrote must be the government's "final goal."


No, it must not be the "final goal" it must literally mean "removal of Jews". Funny how they stretch removal of Jews to automatically mean gas chamber. It could very well have meant deportation.

So yeah, this basically seems fake, and the interpretation seems slanted. They couldn't even come up with a document that says "death chambers" only a very vague phrase "removal of Jews." This is probably some kind of forgery that will appear in the Holocaust museums for all time, even after being officially proven to be a forgery, like every other aspect of the holocaust.

Sorry, not my opinion, just stating the facts.


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posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 07:48 AM
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"This is the first document and only document of its kind that deals with the Jews exclusively and postulates the solution," Hier said of the Hitler letter.


Here's a reason to doubt the official story of the Holocaust: the gassing of 6 million Jews was a large scale, systematic operation, yet this supposed hidden document from a "private dealer" is the FIRST and ONLY document that postulates a solution for the Jews.

In other words, there is no government documentation of the holocaust.

David Irving said he did not include the Holocaust in his history book on World War 2 because there was no documentation of it. The holocaust myth began in the 60's and 70's by Hollywood.

Again, not opinion, just fact. Try and disprove it. You can start with the 1919 "holocaust" and see how this pattern of deception continues to occur.



posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 08:12 AM
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So either the nazi's were very maticulous in cleaning their tracks so to speak, that they left no trace behind of any documentation as to the removal of Jews and other humans by mass genocide.

Or they never bothered to document it , and just decided they could order it without the need for pieces of paper?

Either way it seems very strange ,surely there would be hundreds of paper orders documenting the extermination of the jews . after all didnt the nazi's record all of their insane experiments of humans ? Yet they manage not to record the systematic killing of millions of people.

I find that strange, maybe they decided to take their documents with them when they fled to Argentina.
or into the hollow earth.

Either way there are parts of the 2nd world war , that still remain a mystery to me !



posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 08:27 AM
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In politics nothing happens by accident. There is most assuredly a reason behind releasing the document at this time. It is a well know fact that during Charlemagne rule the jews managed to get a foot hold on banking, trading and commerce and have managed to hold onto until this day. It was not a new or novel idea to be rid of the jews and their financial choke hold on Germany. It had been acted upon more than once in history. Each time they managed to get a tighter grip on the economics of Europe. Hitler didn't create this hostile enviornment he simply built upon the hate and resentment prevalent manipulating this to catapult him into power. Hitler himself was never a memeber of the NAZI Party but used by that party to implement the groups ideas. It is also well known that Hitler himself suffered from mental illness ( bi-polar manic depressive) of which there was no effective treatment during the time period. Just because he was crazy didn't make him stupid. Some of the most brilliant minds in history have suffered from the same illness. Just because they are ill doesn't make them any less threat to themselves and others. History is full of atrocities committed by madmen. The NWO plans for depopulation of planet earth is being created and carried out by people such as Ted Turner and others who are known to have such major mental problems While the masses sit quietly telling themselves and others they wouldn't do this or couldn't do that we are being lead down the same path of death and destruction. I was once told " who is really the one that is crazy? The mentally ill ? Or the supposed sane people who listens and carry out their orders?"




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