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NWO tagging of street signs in Michigan

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posted on Aug, 6 2004 @ 02:28 PM
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I saw a website with information posted relating to this topic about 3 weeks ago and cannot find it anymore, so if anyone can help out that would be great.

What I am talking about is tagging of street signs (stop, yield, turn, no parking, etc) and other important signs that have had reflective stickers placed on the back of the signs and point to areas of potential military interest during an NWO takeover. These points of interest are military bases, airports, and train stations, etc. and other points of interest that would be used as detention centers like wharehouses, gymnasiums, large open fields, etc.

These stickers or tags would be either grouped on a set of signs or individually and would generally point either up or to specific direction (N,S,E,W) nearby that would be identified as a potential point of interest. Also by the size, shape and number of tags applied to a sign or signs, it may indicate the proximity of these points of interest, the type of facility it is (military or civilian) and size.

Again, if anyone can find a website on this subject it would be great.

While I was investigating this subject a while back I noticed that there was a large amount of the investigative data that showed pictures of signs in various areas of Michigan. I am originally from Michigan and decided to go back to visit family and friends and wanted to watch for these signs and see if I could spot any of these reflective tags. To my amazement I found a very large number of tags spread across Michigan typically near military bases, large universities, prisions and even seemingly open forest or fields.

Being the skeptic that I am about these types of things I decided to watch in other states that I travel to and see if I could find any of these tags like I did in Michigan. I travelled to Indiana, Illinois, Wisconsin and Iowa and noticed some tagging of signs, but nothing like Michigan. And the tags weren't only on new signs, but signs that showed quite a bit of wear and tear. And many signs had 2 or 3 tags on them alone.

I originally thought that these tags were reflective stickers that were placed on new signs only and stated either something about who purchased the sign, what county or city they belonged to, or something similar I have seen when I would take them as a kid
. Upon closer examination, these stickers stated things like I mentioned but also had big bold letters for some keywords like WARNING, STATE POLICE, and DO NOT REMOVE.

Now, I typically don't care about things like this but I was thinking about the location of Michigan and its borders and if these were actually placed there for a specific purpose, why was Michigan so heavily innundated by these tags. Well, Michigan is almost in the heart of the midwest with 3 major highways leading into the state at each side of the lower pennisula and one in the middle. It is also surrounded by water which can be accessed by large shipping vessels and even military ships. There are a number of military bases, and major cities with ports and large airports to handle lots of traffic. In otherwords, you can't just escape to another state very easily and there is a large infrastructure built that can support a large number of supply resources and the state can be locked down tighter than our borders with Mexico.

Now, I may be paranoid and I might be going a little overboard. But with the Michigan Militia and a number of other militias that exist in Michigan it would seem like either a place that is rife with military training from recruitment or for resistance that needs to be secured.

Also, with the tags pointing to various points of interest in the state and rumors of large deployments and stockpiles of UN vehicles and suppiles in place it would seem like something is brewing out there.

So, with my ranting am I being paranoid? I know that these tags could be placed just about anywhere but after watching Red Dawn and understanding the geography of the state it just seems kind of odd.




posted on Aug, 6 2004 @ 02:45 PM
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I know what you are talking about. I came across a website that dealt with this issue. I came across the website from the conspiracy top site here.

If I can find the specific website, or if you find it before I do, post it right away because I'd like to examine the information further.



posted on Aug, 6 2004 @ 02:48 PM
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Here is the original site that started me on this topic.

Apparently the tags are called TACMARS.

www.tackamarks.freeservers.com...



[edit on 6-8-2004 by jimbolux1]



posted on Aug, 6 2004 @ 02:51 PM
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That is the website I'm talking about. Thanks for posting it. I shall bookmark it and learn about TACMARS. These signs are there for a purpose and I'd like to know what purpose they will be there for.



posted on Aug, 9 2004 @ 04:00 PM
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It shocked me to see this, I have been noticing odd signs recently in SE Michigan.

They added new signs to a few ramps I commonly travel on recently, and I thought they just seemed odd. They aren't normal looking signs, but there is nothing directly strange about them- they just say things like "S275 to EM5"
But I havn't ever noticed a sign like that on a ramp before. Got a funny intuitive feeling.



posted on Aug, 9 2004 @ 04:23 PM
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Here's a few threads on it for more info:

Secret military codes in our road sign?

Military codes hidden in roadsigns

Tacmars

Finding US concentration camps.

IMO If they're actually anything, they're for the use of your own military in a time of emergency, though you'd think they might of heard of maps...



posted on Aug, 9 2004 @ 07:25 PM
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Although I am rather sceptical of some of the claims made on the websites listed above I still have a strange feeling about these markers. I have seen these on road signs in Michigan (lived here for over 20 years) and always thought that they were just markers for more efficient emergency response in rural areas or even markers for rookie EMT's in highly populated areas.

Darn it, I was just in Detroit this past weekend and if I would have known about this thread on ATS I would have done some investigative work, as it is I live in a relatively small city that sits almost halfway between Detroit and Chicago. I will have to go out and get some pictures and if I can find anything of interest I will be sure to post some pictures. There is a national guard armory relatively close to my house so there may be a couple interesting signs posted around there someplace.

Great thread and hopefully I can add a little something to it.



posted on Aug, 10 2004 @ 08:27 AM
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This makes me incredably curious about exactly what they say, most of them have a small drawing of Michigan in the lower right corner and say MDOT in the lower left... Other than that it is a bunch of small text I can't make out from inside my car...
On a couple of them, there is a line around the border that is actually made up of text but is small enough to make it look like the same border the rest have.

Some are completely missing the little map of Michigan. Most individual signs I saw had only one tag, but there would be multiple signs on one post and each would have a tag... I drive about 20 miles to work and take different routes often so I've been seeing a lot of them.



posted on Aug, 10 2004 @ 08:56 AM
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OK- why would an invading army need stickers on road signs in America of all places? It's probably the most well-mapped, well-sign-posted country in the world.

-koji K.



posted on Aug, 10 2004 @ 09:53 AM
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I think the point was that it's a universal code because if you don't speak/read English, you can't find anything in the US. Those things which can't outright be posted for all to see, are therefore being coded so the public won't recognize it. I'm sorry but if huge helicopter signs were posted at rest stops people would start to freak out.


Originally posted by koji_K
OK- why would an invading army need stickers on road signs in America of all places? It's probably the most well-mapped, well-sign-posted country in the world.

-koji K.



posted on Aug, 10 2004 @ 10:17 AM
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I've read a lot of opions on this site about these markers and a lot of people try to argue that "it couldn't be, because...." which is the same sort of argument used against a lot of conspiracy theories. If the conspiracy theory is true then that means the state of the world is X which is something I can't believe therefore the conspiracy theory must be false (eg, if not the hijackers then who? the gov.? I can't accept that therefore it was the hijackers). This is how preconceptions take precedence over evidence.

With the tacmars, I think it would be a good idea for anyone who wanted to use road signs to secretly direct comrades to certain locations.

1. You don't need to create maps of where the destinations are so secrecy is heightened.
2. You can quickly change destinations by changing the signs rather than informing ever single comrade. That could be beneficial in a time were communication is hampered, or if you think your communication would be monitored.
3. You can quickly change routes based on the current circumstances. If there's a roadblock, destroyed bridge, patriot militia (ha, ha) or whatever on the route you can just change a few of the signs to indicate a different route.
4. You can find out who the snitches are by telling certain people that the code means different things. Then depending on which code explananation makes it to the public you would know your snitch. You can give a false code explanation to enemies that think they are your friend.
5. Signs are already all over the place. No additional cost, very low profile.

I think it's a great idea for any group that would want to set up secret routes and destinations. Maybe I'll do my own.

However, even though this looks like a good idea, and that it could be done, the evidence doesn't look like it is being done. The examples on the website don't really show what the coding is, or give enough examples that actually point to areas of interest.

But you never know...I'll keep my eyes open.

Oh, and one last thing...if the stickers are just date stickers or stickers that indicate how the sign was made or whatever, why are they reflective?

[edit on 10-8-2004 by piboy]



posted on Aug, 10 2004 @ 11:07 AM
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After reading this thread, I decided to see if my little town of 5000 might have some tacmars. It's the county seat, with Dept of Natural Resources headquarters, National Guard armory, hospital with helipad, brand new high school, police storage yard, golf course, and an airport all next to each other. Down the hill from this area is the courthouse, police station, huge brand new emergency dispatch center, DOT yard, community college and a little past that, the fair grounds, full of brand new buildings with high fencing, and a major railroad line.

There are street signs on the road from the DNR complex to the police station right through to the fairgrounds that prohibit parking from 3am to 7 am. Why would a tiny town need this road clear in the middle of the night?

We looked at all the signs near these facilities. There was a variety of stickers on the backs of them. None of them had more than one sticker per sign, but there were a few places with multiple signs and hence multiple stickers. I couldn't really tell if there was a directional meaning, but they were incongruously placed. On an array of 5 signs pointing to the community college, unemployment office, turn arrows, there was a sticker on the back of an old brown sign that just said "golfing" and a directional arrow. And one on the back of the community college sign. Off the main street, at the entrance road to the fair grounds were stickers unlike any of the others. On the back of a couple stop signs and pedestrian signs were small white unlettered stickers, about 3/4" tall by 2" wise. From what I could tell, they had patterns of bumps like braille. They were only in one intersection.

The other stickers were mostly the kind with punches out for dates, but with big black numbers in the middle. I thought the numbers might be a year, as most of them said 99, but there were some brand new signs with 93, 94, 95. There were some little stickers with no numbers, but black sticky numbers underneath them, and right by a turn to a huge complex of unknown purpose tucked in a tiny valley on a hill, a small orange rectangular sticker and a small white arrow pointing in the direction of the building. Also on this side road is a huge satellite dish array, behind a storage yard.

Driving back to my place, which is about 7 miles out of town, I saw no stickers on any other signs, not even brand new ones. So even if I can't see a code in the placement of the stickers, it's not like the sign department is stickering new signs for some record keeping purpose. I didn't take pictures because I felt really conspicuous and it's a small town.

--Saerlaith



posted on Aug, 10 2004 @ 11:47 AM
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This is just an open idea, but what about examining a DOT website? I am sure they may have an explanation there. If not, then this is something very strange.
www.dot.gov...

btw. The U.S. Coast Guard is a part of DOT also..



posted on Aug, 10 2004 @ 11:48 AM
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Originally posted by blanketgirl
It shocked me to see this, I have been noticing odd signs recently in SE Michigan.

They added new signs to a few ramps I commonly travel on recently, and I thought they just seemed odd. They aren't normal looking signs, but there is nothing directly strange about them- they just say things like "S275 to EM5"
But I havn't ever noticed a sign like that on a ramp before. Got a funny intuitive feeling.



yeah, I've seen those signs in Ohio too... it's letting you know exactly where you are should you have an emergency and need to call for help.

S275 ( South on 275 ) to ( East on Michigan 5 ) etc...


or are they ....



posted on Aug, 10 2004 @ 11:54 AM
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Maybe they are not government related. Could be any kind of directions to any kind of secret meeting places. You would have thought that to such a technologicaly advanced nation, stickers would be the last thing that would be used to direct personel in important situations. Or maybe thats why they did.



posted on Aug, 10 2004 @ 12:03 PM
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Jeeze, I've seen dozens of these in Edmonton.... I think I should by a digital camera sometime soon, then I can show some of my findings.

Does anyone know of a secret military base in Fort McMurray? I was up in the hills biking on a path and as I looked into the woods I saw two large, and long grey buildings and a field. It took me about six hours to get to where I was, so im guessing I was well away from the city. There were many quaders and each of them told me to leave the vicinity.



posted on Aug, 10 2004 @ 01:44 PM
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This specific ramp is announced multiple times before you get there and is the tiny ramp (just the normal loop and you are there type)
I didn't know a reason for there to be two separate signs reminding you which ramp you are on while you are on it. Upon inspection, they are some of the few signs I saw in that area with the reflective stickers too.

If anyone's from Oakland county reading this- there are tons of them along Telegraph once you get north of about 15 mile. This is where you find the multiples on a sign, and it is all foresty in the area.


Originally posted by elevatedone

yeah, I've seen those signs in Ohio too... it's letting you know exactly where you are should you have an emergency and need to call for help.

S275 ( South on 275 ) to ( East on Michigan 5 ) etc...


or are they ....



posted on Sep, 10 2004 @ 01:12 PM
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I'd really like to see something more substantive than what's out there now. So far, there's only one website detailing this theory.

On it, there's photos which claim the little reflective stickers are "pointing" to things. Example:



What in the world indicates that the two top-right stickers indicate something's to the right? The stickers are placed in the lower right corner of every individual sign, unless the corner is obscured by the supporting frame line in the image above.

Why doesn't the third sticker down on the right indicate direction - what makes it part of a "triad" ?

In this example, a single sticker is supposed to indicate direction:



There's also no "triad" facility code, so how would I know what it's "pointing" to?

Now, on to this ...



How do you come to the conclusion that the various stickers somehow indicate three different directions (up, left, right)? And where's the "triad" facility code for each direction, so I'd know what's in each of the three directions?

Also - these are on the BACKS of signs - does that imply that when the NWO comes, they'll be driving on the "wrong" side of the street, as if they're in Europe, and hence can see these plainly?

This just makes no sense to me. It would be extremely easy to verify this all, if it was done in an organized manner.

First, go to a facility that you suspect of being a special NWO recource. Now, "back out" of that facility, noting all the signs along the way. Be sure to note signs on both sides of the street, because if this code is real, they'd have to use it for traffic coming from either direction.

Once you come to an intersection, branch out in all possible directions, again paying attention to signs on both sides of the street (Remember, they should be opposite of each other if someone's indeed marking secret directions). Note the pattern of all the stickers on each sign.

Now, put all the data together. You only had 1 facility, in a known direction, so all the signs should coorelate and indicate the exact same pattern and direction. If a sign on my side of the street indicated "turn left", the the sign on the other side of the street should indicate "turn right".

If all the signs around a single facility match up correctly, then you may have something. But I've seen no evidence at all that there's any consistancy or pattern in any examples on the website with this theory.

Add to that these facts:

1. The system would be simple for the "resistance" to defeat by simply sraying over the stickers with a matte (non-reflective) paint, or by adding additional stickers to change the meaning.

2. I can tell you with certainty that those stickers are applied by the DOT sign shops while the signs are still in the shop, and they're NOT made on demand (ie: there's stacks of these signs in storage ready to be used). The crew that's installing the signs also doesn't know anything about the stickers on the back of the signs - they grab what they need out of inventory, and randomly get what they get.

All photos taken from tackamarks.freeservers.com...



posted on Sep, 10 2004 @ 01:18 PM
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this is soooo old. the stickers are from the highway department. duh. dont you think a "hostile take-over" would be equipped with GPS, and not stickers? just wondering. DUH..



posted on Sep, 10 2004 @ 04:57 PM
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why in michigan? i live in chillicothe ohio and see these things on the back of most of our road signs, doesn't anyone else have them?



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