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One in four US hackers 'is an FBI informer'

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posted on Jun, 7 2011 @ 08:54 AM
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One in four US hackers 'is an FBI informer'


www.guardian.co.uk

The underground world of computer hackers has been so thoroughly infiltrated in the US by the FBI and secret service that it is now riddled with paranoia and mistrust, with an estimated one in four hackers secretly informing on their peers, a Guardian investigation has established.

Cyber policing units have had such success in forcing online criminals to co-operate with their investigations through the threat of long prison sentences that they have managed to create an army of informants ....
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posted on Jun, 7 2011 @ 08:54 AM
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I envision the scene from the movie "The Matrix" where Neo is offered a chance by Agent Smith to "redeem" his errant life by helping them catch "Morpheus."


In some cases, popular illegal forums used by cyber criminals as marketplaces for stolen identities and credit card numbers have been run by hacker turncoats acting as FBI moles. In others, undercover FBI agents posing as "carders" – hackers specialising in ID theft – have themselves taken over the management of crime forums, using the intelligence gathered to put dozens of people behind bars.

So ubiquitous has the FBI informant network become that Eric Corley, who publishes the hacker quarterly, 2600, has estimated that 25% of hackers in the US may have been recruited by the federal authorities to be their eyes and ears. "Owing to the harsh penalties involved and the relative inexperience with the law that many hackers have, they are rather susceptible to intimidation," Corley told the Guardian.


I can't help but wonder if this article is actually 'meant' to impact the hacker community. It is a given that among hackers there are criminals and there are ethical hackers... but this affects them all... a hacker is a hacker, no?


Barrett Brown, who has acted as a spokesman for the otherwise secretive Anonymous, says it is fully aware of the FBI's interest. "The FBI are always there. They are always watching, always in the chatrooms. You don't know who is an informant and who isn't, and to that extent you are vulnerable."


Barret Brown..... 'acting' as spokesman for Anonymous..... that little phrase merits a lot of attention.

www.guardian.co.uk
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edit on 7-6-2011 by Maxmars because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 7 2011 @ 08:56 AM
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And many of the others are working on behalf of one bloodline/gang/corporation/government/counsel or in other words on orders. Some work for the computer companies, to assist people in having to rewipe, buy new products. I would say only 1/4 are citizens/radicals/rebels.
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posted on Jun, 7 2011 @ 08:57 AM
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Beautiful! Something I always suspected happening right here on ATS too.
S&F!!!!



posted on Jun, 7 2011 @ 09:00 AM
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so now we know where the group Anonymous
comes from

and eventually when they get old enough,
they get recruited

or should I say blackmailed into servitude

sounds more like the Gestapo every day

edit on 6/7/2011 by boondock-saint because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 7 2011 @ 09:09 AM
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Sounds politically fuelled. Maybe Propaganda although not a lie?

Paradoxical HEAD EXPLOSION.



posted on Jun, 7 2011 @ 09:09 AM
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It's a convenient relationship.

Not only are they infiltrated, in many cases hackers are recruited to do covert work for the feds.

And are paid well!

Ultimately, hackers, and more importantly hacker groups and affiliates can be a clever proxy for the feds, AND for other foreign agencies, including enemy states... When a secure network is compromised, sensitive information stolen, etc. it can be blamed on _______________?

It's a dangerous game, with severe consequences. Especially with new more sophisticated "viruses" that can corrupt multiple systems and cause failures in systems of virtually all kinds.

It's all just 1s and 0s right?




posted on Jun, 7 2011 @ 09:10 AM
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Why am I not surprised by this. The main reason why I never joined ATS before was because I had a feeling this was a CIA front and they were just herding the Conspiracy sheeple in a more controlled area. This way we get some stupid prophecy by someone we never heard of and we are glued to this FREAKING computer. So ya I am not surprised one bit.

BTW this account is the only online account I have, no youtube,tweeter, facebook, myspace whatever. So if the CIA or FBI is reading this "One day all of you government busters are going to get F-ed in the A" LOL



posted on Jun, 7 2011 @ 10:11 AM
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One in four seems like a pretty effective infiltration.

It appears that this kind of 'news' will make many "Anonymous" members not trust each other.

In such a loose 'unorganized' group of people, it will not be the criminal element that suffers, but the "hacktivists."

All-in-all, true or not... this was a propaganda stroke of genius, if you ask me.



posted on Jun, 7 2011 @ 10:14 AM
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Originally posted by Maxmars
I can't help but wonder if this article is actually 'meant' to impact the hacker community. It is a given that among hackers there are criminals and there are ethical hackers... but this affects them all... a hacker is a hacker, no?
The hackers see a distinction, but I'm not sure the FBI or CIA see it. And the "ethical hackers" don't call the unethical hackers, hackers, they call them "crackers":

e-articles.info...

Internet enthusiasts have argued the difference between hackers and crackers for many years.

To define the terms hacker and cracker, my bottom line would probably be this:

- A hacker is a person intensely interested in the arcane and recondite workings of any computer operating system. Hackers are most often programmers. As such, hackers obtain advanced knowledge of operating systems and programming languages. They might discover holes within systems and the reasons for such holes. Hackers constantly seek further knowledge, freely share what they have discovered, and never, ever intentionally damage data.

- A cracker is one who breaks into or otherwise violates the system integrity of remote machines with malicious intent. Having gained unauthorized access, crackers destroy vital data, deny legitimate users service, or cause problems for their targets. Crackers can easily be identified because their actions are malicious.
So bottom line, crackers are malicious, hackers are not malicious, according to hacker ethics.

That's an interesting statistic, I wonder if it's really 25%? Even if it's only half that, it's still a big number. It would be interesting to know exactly how many hackers are on the FBI payroll, but I doubt we'll find that out.



posted on Jun, 7 2011 @ 11:19 AM
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"Paradoxical HEAD EXPLOSION." indeed.

We must also realize this article only deals with the FBI. This does not include the CIA, NSA, and others. Add to that those in the corporate world making big bucks hacking, cracking, and being paid to write malicious software including viruses, worms, rogueware, etc.

So one in four may be a conservative figure depending on your perspective. On the other hand, this has all the earmarks of a psyop. Someone in the alphabet agencies has been reading "The art of war".



posted on Jun, 7 2011 @ 11:25 AM
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Originally posted by Fractured.Facade
It's a convenient relationship.
Not only are they infiltrated, in many cases hackers are recruited to do covert work for the feds.
And are paid well!
Ultimately, hackers, and more importantly hacker groups and affiliates can be a clever proxy for the feds, AND for other foreign agencies, including enemy states... When a secure network is compromised, sensitive information stolen, etc. it can be blamed on _______________?
It's a dangerous game, with severe consequences. Especially with new more sophisticated "viruses" that can corrupt multiple systems and cause failures in systems of virtually all kinds.
It's all just 1s and 0s right?


dude, this is just SOOOO wrong
on many levels. Using kids to fight
proxy battles and be the scapegoats
so the FBI can keep their hands clean.

Yet when Hezbollah was training 8-12
yr old boys to use AK-47's the US
accused them of being terrorists.
What does that make the FBI ???
Cyber Terrorists ????



posted on Jun, 7 2011 @ 11:32 AM
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Originally posted by boondock-saint
What does that make the FBI ???
Cyber Terrorists ????


From their perspective, I'm sure it makes them brilliant!

Also, completely immune, because their proxies can take the fall, be implicated, framed and worse... If need be.

For them, it is also a weapon that can be used by enemies of the west in nearly the exact same ways.

There are people serving time for "cyber-crimes" they didn't commit.

Too bad, so sad.




posted on Jun, 7 2011 @ 11:36 AM
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Originally posted by Fractured.Facade

Originally posted by boondock-saint
What does that make the FBI ???
Cyber Terrorists ????

From their perspective, I'm sure it makes them brilliant!


from my perspective, it makes them criminal extortionist.
using kids to commit crimes is no different than
the corner dope pusher getting 10 yr olds to
push his products.
This is just appalling and illegal.
No wonder nobody trusts or respects LEO any more.



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