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Originally posted by seaside sky
What did you think of the article? I hope you noted how at the end of the article the author concluded that the western capitalist system has failed itself by setting up people for failure- it's the frying pan into the fire. It reminded me of my routine experiences at the voting booth- Republican or Democrat? Errrrrr......neither, none of the above. They're both broken and morally bankrupt- it's not much of a choice. It makes you want to take the alternative route- damn 'em both and do what works for yourself instead?
Now here's a thought I had the other day-- The situation of the Cold War is similar, in a way, to the much older situation between the Hapsburg Empire and the Ottoman Empire, with the same regions along the "frontier" between the two.
You're clearly both a philosopher and a person with personal experience of this subject. What do you think?
(If my ideas are totally wrong and naive, please do set me straight.) --- Sky
I didn't know that Catholicism was so strong over there now. How about the Protestants? Do you find religion to be a strong factor now or are people more motivated by more obvious economic arguments?
So where do things go from here? Any ideas?
Originally posted by zvezdar
reply to [url=http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread713472/pg4#pid11576051]
In the last decade or so the number seeking the truth has risen, however, as it has become clear that the media is far from independent. I still try and do my bit to show you guys how public opinion in the US has been manipulated, in the hope that you dont fall for it in the future and recognise how your governments deceive and use you. Unless enough Americans wake up, your great country will fall.
Originally posted by Douriff
let me say this - from my perspective the media perception of Serbs (or Croats) as genocidal nations is less important then the question about how the nations were manipulated into the conflicts of such magnitude.
In my opinion, extremists on both sides were supported purposefully to ignite upheavals for the reasons yet unknown. It is obvious that conflicts could have been prevented, with or without Yugoslavia falling apart. Trying to deny the existance of extremists makes things more difficut to understand. They do exist, they are serving their purpose, and we must not deny that (dangerous) fact.
Majority of people think that conflicts happened spontaneously, out of the thin air, as a natural consequence of historical animosities. People also believe that atrocities didn't happen, or that things at least were not that bad. Wrong.
Therefore, I suggest, that we, at least here on conspiracy forum, try to figure out, who was actually pooling the strings here on Balcans and why. Instead of trying to heal our injured national pride.
So, what do you think? Are we naturally so primitive, xenofobic, homofobic and wild? Can we blame media for creating ugly picture about us, or is something else going on here, far more dangerous and twisted?
This is the ultimate game of divide and conquer. The Balkans is a good lesson for everyone to see how a stable society can be broken down through the fostering of differences.
I don't know what to think, except that empires always fall eventually- and at those points in history when they do, most anything can happen. As you might have gathered by now, I'm against globalization and I deeply distrust giving too much power to centralized governments of any kind. In this country, the power of the federal government has become far too strong in my opinion and needs to be weakened- with power going back to the local states where it belongs.
While I understand that the recent acceptance into the EU might be cause for some celebration as perhaps being perceived as better than not, I can't help but feel that it's making a deal with the devil. It seems membership is of the "you gotta pay to play" variety, which creates debt-slavery. But at present there may be no better choice?
I am assuming that you are Catholic?
Like you, I also enjoy having discussions like this. Many people just aren't interested, of course. They give you that glazed expression when you try. They have their own interests that glaze me over in boredom too. So it takes all kinds to make the world, doesn't it?
Originally posted by Douriff
However this is true, I think that those who understand the mechanisms of divide and conquer game, should not engage in lamentation about poor little nation - "us" - being swayed, deceived, forced to fight, then wrongly accused and portrayed by the evil media to look as a bunch of idiots. Because - we are idiots, and there is no one else to blame
No offence zvezdar, nothing personal.
No offence taken, i'm just not sure what you are trying to say. If you are trying to say that i am blaming everyone but serbia for what happened, then you must have missed the paragraph i posted where i explicitly said "i blame my fellow serbs".
All the Balkan nations have been equally damaged by these events.
It's the individuals within them that make all the difference, and their power is measured in the degree they can influence other individuals, and perhaps (at least for a time), make important changes in societyBut once their influence fades, the collective social structure will be likely to slink back into its usual patterns.