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posted on Jun, 10 2011 @ 06:07 AM
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No one is disputing the origins of the Eye of Providence. The debate is about what it meant to the designers of the Great Seal. It meant Diety.

First
You said they were not the same in meaning, the two elements, but now you change your version into they are saying no one is denying where it came from. By stating this you admit that the triangle and the eye and pyramid and the eye are one and the same.
Here is your quote


No one is disputing the origins of the Eye of Providence.

Nice going.


Second.
It did not mean the christian eye of providence, the items are identical, then the designer knew about this object , more likewise was told about it, it has nothing to do with Christianity, since it's depicted on the seal, exactly 13 steps in the form of pyramid with the eye above, it's the same object.
Since it's exact in design with 13 steps with bricks then it was not the meaning of the so called christian eye of providence. Then it is clear it did not come from there and that the designer of the seal knew about this element and it's occult nature and origin/ was told about it, was told what to do, since the design of the triangle/pyramid is identical then they got it from the ancient world and not from Chritianity, of course you know that but you like to cover it up, it's what masons do.

Here it is I like putting it because it looks neat and it makes your point a big zero


Third
It could of not came from anywhere but the masons, it's clear, Christians did not know of piramids with 13 steps and the eye at the top. Further more the so called christian triangle and eye even if it has the same meaning it was never depicted as a pyramid, and further more in an exact manner with 13 steps. Then it's clear the design came from the occult, from the masons that had the knowlege.

The rest I'm not going to quote because I have done the essential, it makes my point, "short and on point", unlike "long and far away from it" it's what I have wanted to prove from the begining.
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posted on Jun, 10 2011 @ 06:23 AM
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Accurate dating of the artifacts is as yet impossible by the latest methods...


Your statement is a joke. You are either very sloppy or very dishonest. Either way your 'facts' are useless.

Stick to the topic and prove that the Seal is Masonic and that the Illuminati used it.


It has 6000 + years, what it is reffering to is that the exact date of the object is unknown.
Don't worry about it, it's older than Christianity.
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posted on Jun, 10 2011 @ 07:38 AM
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Originally posted by pepsi78
First
You said they were not the same in meaning, the two elements, but now you change your version into they are saying no one is denying where it came from. By stating this you admit that the triangle and the eye and pyramid and the eye are one and the same.
Here is your quote


No one is disputing the origins of the Eye of Providence.

Nice going.


What are you talking about? The Eye of Providence is always represented as an eye in a triangle or an eye surrounded by a glory. You are the one insisting that the unfinished pyramid is part of the Eye of Providence. Learn some reading comprehension skills.

Eye of Providence; (i.e. eye in a triangle) one thing.

Unfinished Pyramid; another thing.

The dispute stems from you insisting that the image is both Masonic and not mutually exclusive and that the Eye of Providence did not mean Diety to the designers of the Great Seal.


Second.
It did not mean the christian eye of providence, the items are identical, then the designer knew about this object , more likewise was told about it, it has nothing to do with Christianity, since it's depicted on the seal, exactly 13 steps in the form of pyramid with the eye above, it's the same object.
Since it's exact in design with 13 steps with bricks then it was not the meaning of the so called christian eye of providence. Then it is clear it did not come from there and that the designer of the seal knew about this element and it's occult nature and origin/ was told about it, was told what to do, since the design of the triangle/pyramid is identical.


Hey, Rocket Scientist. The unfinished pyramid is NOT the Eye of Providence. They are two seperate images combined to form part of the Great Seal. Have you been going back and forth because you did notn understand this from the beginning?


Third
It could of not came from anywhere but the masons, it's clear, Christians did not know of piramids with 13 steps and the eye at the top. Further more the so called christian triangle and eye even if it has the same meaning it was never depicted as a pyramid, and further more in an exact manner with 13 steps. Then it's clear the design came from the occult, from the masons that had the knowlege.


The pyramid design came from Hopkinson who was NOT A MASON. The notes of Franklin (and for that matter, Jefferson) clearly show that they did not incorporate a pyramid in their design scheme. Which Mason put the pyramid on there?



posted on Jun, 10 2011 @ 07:40 AM
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Originally posted by pepsi78
It has 6000 + years, what it is reffering to is that the exact date of the object is unknown.
Don't worry about it, it's older than Christianity.


First it was 60,000, now it is 6,000. More disengenuousness or just more sloppiness. Either way, I am very skepitcal of that object as it can not be found on any credited site or publication.



posted on Jun, 10 2011 @ 07:51 AM
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What are you talking about? The Eye of Providence is always represented as an eye in a triangle or an eye surrounded by a glory. You are the one insisting that the unfinished pyramid is part of the Eye of Providence. Learn some reading comprehension skills.

What a bunch of crap from you, you just admited that the eye of providence comes from the pyramid and the eye, look it up, it was your quote.

Your statement


No one is disputing the origins of the Eye of Providence.






The dispute stems from you insisting that the image is both Masonic and not mutually exclusive and that the Eye of Providence did not mean Diety to the designers of the Great Seal.

No it meant the occult symbol, since the final seal looks identical to the pyramid in the picture then anyone
with at least one neuron in their head can tell the seal comes from there and not from the Christians.



Hey, Rocket Scientist. The unfinished pyramid is NOT the Eye of Providence. They are two seperate images combined to form part of the Great Seal. Have you been going back and forth because you did notn understand this from the beginning?

Yes it's a occult symbol put by the masons, since no one knew about it except the masons.
On the other part as for the Christian eye of providence that you speak of comes from the same place is the same thing as you stated, "tho it has the same meaning" because it came from the same place it does not look the same, not with the design of the 13 steps with bricks and the eye at the top.

You quoted your self saying it has the same source, what you are doing is denying your own statement.
Here it is:


No one is disputing the origins of the Eye of Providence.




The pyramid design came from Hopkinson who was NOT A MASON. The notes of Franklin (and for that matter, Jefferson) clearly show that they did not incorporate a pyramid in their design scheme. Which Mason put the pyramid on there?

It does not matter if he was a mason or not, there is no other place where the 13 layer pyramid and the eye cap could of came from, it's from the masonic foundation of the united states.


The seal of united states with the pyramid is ,masonic.
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posted on Jun, 10 2011 @ 07:56 AM
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Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus

Originally posted by pepsi78
It has 6000 + years, what it is reffering to is that the exact date of the object is unknown.
Don't worry about it, it's older than Christianity.


First it was 60,000, now it is 6,000. More disengenuousness or just more sloppiness. Either way, I am very skepitcal of that object as it can not be found on any credited site or publication.


I'm sorry it's 6000, did I put 60.000, my fault.



posted on Jun, 10 2011 @ 08:00 AM
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in 1776, what did the flag of the United States look like? Was it red and white stripes (13) and a blue square with 50 white stars in it? Oh, well, not at that time, see the US only had 13 states so it only had 13 stars. So you might ask, why do we have a different one now? Well, the answer is, after we adopted more states, we changed the flag and adopted a new symbol.

But isn't that just like the fact that Masonry didn't adopt the symbol of the eye of providence until well after the dollar was printed? Huh? I guess it is kinda. But that would make Pepsie's entire argument a bunch of crap! I think we should just ignore the facts, and continue to act as if both masonry and the Illuminati used the eye as a primary symbol for decades before that.

edit add:
linky linky
please don't read the above link. It completely destroys Pepsie's argument and makes him look like a tool.
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posted on Jun, 10 2011 @ 08:04 AM
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But isn't that just like the fact that Masonry didn't adopt the symbol of the eye of providence until well after the dollar was printed? Huh? I guess it is kinda. But that would make Pepsie's entire argument a bunch of crap! I think we should just ignore the facts, and continue to act as if both masonry and the Illuminati used the eye as a primary symbol for decades before that.


Masonry knew about it's meaning and it's past, it's why it was introduced on the seal as the pyramid with the 13 steps, and not the simple triangle and eye.



posted on Jun, 10 2011 @ 08:05 AM
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read the edit sport



posted on Jun, 10 2011 @ 08:07 AM
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Originally posted by pepsi78
What a bunch of crap from you, you just admited that the eye of providence comes from the pyramid and the eye, look it up, it was your quote.

Your statement


No one is disputing the origins of the Eye of Providence.


The crap part is I spent a good deal of time going back and forth with you under the sadly mistaken assumption that you knew the difference between they Eye of Providence ABOVE the pyramid and the unfinished pyramid itself. THEY ARE TWO DIFFERENT SYMBOLS. One (the Eye of Providence) represents Diety and is also used by Christians, the other (the unfinished pyramid) was placed on the Seal by Hopkinson WHO WAS NOT A MASON and represents that the United States will always be a work in progress.




No it meant the occult symbol, since the final seal looks identical to the pyramid in the picture then anyone
with at least one neuron in their head can tell the seal comes from there and not from the Christians.


The pyramid you keep posting is most likely a hoax as it can not be found on any repsectable archeological site. Link one if you have it. Sounds like more crystal skull nonesense.


Yes it's a occult symbol put by the masons, since no one knew about it except the masons.
On the other part as for the Christian eye of providence that you speak of comes from the same place is the same thing.


Are you talking about the Eye or the unfinished pyramid? The Eye was well known for centuries. The pyramid was put there by Hopkinson who was not a Mason.



It does not matter if he was a mason or not, there is no other place where the 13 layer pyramid and the eye cap could of came from, it's from the masonic foundation of the united states.


So what you are syaing then is, "No, I have no evidence and it is only my opinion." Exactly my point.



posted on Jun, 10 2011 @ 08:08 AM
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Masonry is older than united states, the pyramid and the eye is their own doing, it's obvius where it came from that it originates with the masons.



posted on Jun, 10 2011 @ 08:17 AM
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then prove it. show any masonic history that predates the dollar bill with said symbolism on it.
Make the world believe you. Because as of right now, I don't think anyone does.



posted on Jun, 10 2011 @ 08:20 AM
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The crap part is I spent a good deal of time going back and forth with you under the sadly mistaken assumption that you knew the difference between they Eye of Providence ABOVE the pyramid and the unfinished pyramid itself. THEY ARE TWO DIFFERENT SYMBOLS.

The meaing is the same, review your statement where you say the eye of providence comes from that source.
It was your statement.


No one is disputing the origins of the Eye of Providence.

Be a man and admit.

Al tho it has the same meaning it looks a bit different, the eye is above, and the triangle becomes a pyramid.
Christians had no idea where the eye came from, they had no idea of pyramids and the eye and the top.



One (the Eye of Providence) represents Diety and is also used by Christians, the other (the unfinished pyramid) was placed on the Seal by Hopkinson WHO WAS NOT A MASON and represents that the United States will always be a work in progress.

Read my posts



The pyramid you keep posting is most likely a hoax as it can not be found on any repsectable archeological site. Link one if you have it. Sounds like more crystal skull nonesense.

Whatever you call everything a hoax, the sites that I gave you have nothing to do with conspiracy and with asuming anything about the seal of the us.




Are you talking about the Eye or the unfinished pyramid? The Eye was well known for centuries. The pyramid was put there by Hopkinson who was not a Mason.

Since it was not from the christians, not from the black slaves, not from anyone then yes masons told him to put it there, they had the occult knowlege of the object.


A final note can be conlcuded that the seal of the united states of ameica does not come from the Christian
eye of providence but from this:

It's identical and, I would say this is just one of many places in the antic.
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posted on Jun, 10 2011 @ 08:22 AM
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I don't have to, I made my point.



posted on Jun, 10 2011 @ 08:32 AM
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Originally posted by pepsi78
The meaing is the same, review your statement where you say the eye of providence comes from that source.
It was your statement.


No one is disputing the origins of the Eye of Providence.

Be a man and admit.


The menaing is not the same. The above statment was meant to explain that Christians got the Eye of Providence from older sources, not the pyramid. Stop being obtuse.


Al tho it has the same meaning it looks a bit different, the eye is above, and the triangle becomes a pyramid.
Christians had no idea where the eye came from, they had no idea of pyramids and the eye and the top.


A triangle can not 'become a pyramid' unless three or more sides are added to it. Learn some geometry. The pyramid is not part of the Eye of Providence. The Eye of Providence is the eye of God in a triangle.


Whatever you call everything a hoax, the sites that I gave you have nothing to do with conspiracy and with asuming anything about the seal of the us.


No source then? Figures.


Yes masons told him to put it there, they had the occult knowlege of the object.


Really? You are so friggin arrogant. How did they 'told him to put it there?' Did they use mind control, bend his arm, offer him money? How?


A final note can be conlcuded that the seal of the united states of ameica does not come from the Christian
eye of providence but from this


Your fake rock again. That beats the handwritten notes of both the Illuminati and the designers of the Seal. Intelligent people use acredited sources, lazy people make things up.



posted on Jun, 10 2011 @ 08:40 AM
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The menaing is not the same. The above statment was meant to explain that Christians got the Eye of Providence from older sources, not the pyramid. Stop being obtuse.

I must disagree, the seal is the perfect example, first the eye in the triangle, then the eye above the part of the pyramid as the final seal, identical to the image.



A triangle can not 'become a pyramid' unless three or more sides are added to it. Learn some geometry. The pyramid is not part of the Eye of Providence. The Eye of Providence is the eye of God in a triangle.

It has the same meaning as a depiction.



No source then? Figures.

I don't see how it's a hoax, none of the sources provided are about conspiracy theories.



Really? You are so friggin arrogant. How did they 'told him to put it there?' Did they use mind control, bend his arm, offer him money? How?

United States has a masonic foundation, any one can see that, it's the forging of the roman empire, and asociated enterprises such as masonry.




Your fake rock again. That beats the handwritten notes of both the Illuminati and the designers of the Seal. Intelligent people use acredited sources, lazy people make things up.

I don't see how it's fake, you call it fake because you have no other argument when provided with the information,.



posted on Jun, 10 2011 @ 08:40 AM
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Originally posted by pepsi78
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I don't have to, I made my point.


I understand. never let facts get in the way of a good story.

Please don't look at this link.



posted on Jun, 10 2011 @ 08:51 AM
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I understand. never let facts get in the way of a good story.

Please don't look at this link.


That does not prove anything, what I have posted proves otherwise that the symbols depicted have a far older origin and that the only posible source for the pyramid and the eye is a masonic source.

Even if you state what you state that it was not used (something that I don't beilive it to be true) it does not dismiss that they knew about this symbol and that it originates from masonic knowlege, in other words masons knew about this symbol and it's meaning, it was later depicted on the seal from the knowlege of the masons.
There is no other possible origin for the eye and the pyramid.

On a side leaving things aside, what you state makes it even more ironical that the eye and the triangle that the masons use come from the seal of the us (pyramid and eye)
Look at your friends under statement, (they do not come from there from the seal "eye and pyramid")

More irony from the masons.



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posted on Jun, 10 2011 @ 09:00 AM
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Originally posted by pepsi78
I must disagree, the seal is the perfect example, first the eye in the triangle, then the eye above the part of the pyramid as the final seal, identical to the image.


You can disagree all you want but the heraldric symbolism is the eye of God above an unfinished United States. Two seperate symbols combined to form a new one.



It has the same meaning as a depiction.


What? Triangles are triangles and pyramids are pyramids. See above. Only foolish people contend otherwise.



I don't see how it's a hoax, none of the sources provided are about conspiracy theories.


There are no links to credible sources backing up the discovery. Only one person's account and no archeological evidence.



United States has a masonic foundation, any one can see that, it's the forging of the roman empire, and asociated enterprises such as masonry.


Stop muddying the waters with even more conspiracy mumbo-jumbo. Next you will bring aliens in to the mix.



I don't see how it's fake, you call it fake because you have no other argument when provided with the information,.


See above. No reliable source means it is not to be taken seriously. It is like using a nail from the True Cross to prove a point.



posted on Jun, 10 2011 @ 09:07 AM
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You can disagree all you want but the heraldric symbolism is the eye of God above an unfinished United States. Two seperate symbols combined to form a new one.

No it's not, you got my posts, I'm sorry.



What? Triangles are triangles and pyramids are pyramids. See above. Only foolish people contend otherwise.

The seal proves otherwise, and of course you god the artifact proving you wr I'm sure there are other similar ones.



There are no links to credible sources backing up the discovery. Only one person's account and no archeological evidence.

I find it a credible source.


They were put on the exposition.
Who is Klaus Dona.


earthtransformation.com...
Klaus Dona has been the Art Exhibition Curator for the Habsburg Haus of Austria since 1991. Mr. Dona has organized 30 cultural exhibitions in Austria, Japan and Korea. Being a specialist in culture and art exhibitions, his attention was automatically drawn to a phenomenon called 'Ooparts' - out of place artifacts. These are artifacts that should not exist according to current science. Klaus Dona has been researching these types of artifacts for over a decade and, after a long preparation, decided to set up an exhibition of 470 of these (Ooparts) pieces, which he called ''Unsolved Mysteries''. He has artifacts from places such as Roswell, New Mexico; a still intact chupacabras skeleton; as well as giants (Nephilim) bones. He has been able to display such artifacts - a feat no one had been able to achieve since museums bury these in their basements to avoid raising unconfortable questions. A large portion of the pieces are scattered around the world and held in secret private collections. Klaus Dona has been able to gather more than 2500 pieces, all of which have no logical explanation!


Yet more evidence of similar things.




Stop muddying the waters with even more conspiracy mumbo-jumbo. Next you will bring aliens in to the mix.

It's no conspiracy.

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