Originally posted by roboe
reply to post by SL55T0T0
Ooh, a no-planer and laser beams from outer space proponent, we don't see too many of those around these days
Though to be fair, unlike 99% of the truther movement, Reynolds (along with Judy Wood and Willie Rodriguez), Reynolds has had enough faith in his
"evidence" to take it to a court of law. Mind you, he's been laughed out every single time, but at least he went there.
I was most intrigued by Jesse Ventura saying that the military had a Themerisol paint -- that could just be painted on a surface -- a pretty innocuous
way to prep the building.
>> I haven't watched this video -- but I've watched enough about the history of the Bush family and their "deeds" -- they've been at it for
generations. And they've got it down to a science.
Here's a few things typical of a Bush Family operation:
1) A Sacrificial Lamb:
Like this "whistleblower" who may or may not be one -- they have an "insider" make an accusation. It's usually VERY provocative and gets a lot
of journalist suckered in. They usually have some claim, however that is easily debunked -- you know, like Space Lasers. When the press was hounding
Pappy Bush about some meeting with the Iranians in France (in the Iran-Contra scandal), they had a family friend say that he was there and gave the
press details. Later, it was easily dismissed because he had credit card receipts showing that he was in the US at the time of the claim. The press
got burned and never followed up. Bush jr. used the same trick with his "AWOL" documentation. Even Karl Rove got caught bugging his own office to
make it look like he was being persecuted.
2) Control the Investigation
Usually, the Bushies do a crime on their own turf. In the case of 9/11, they got a Demolition crew, that might have actually helped prep the
buildings (maybe as security guards) to investigate the WTC -- NOT the FBI. Same thing with the JFK assassination (which I'll get to later because it
has all the same earmarks as 9/11). When Dan Rather of CBS showed massive amounts of documentation of Bush's AWOL status and other misdeeds, the
White House actually sent the "experts" who found that the document was forged -- CBS did NOT report that the White House procured the actual
investigation, nor that there was a conflict of interest.
3) Go Big!
If you've got to steal, steal enough so that you can make a lot of otherwise merely unethical people really, really rich and help cover up for you.
If you want something covered up -- blow up the city block. The BIGGER the conspiracy, the MORE LIKELY you can pull it off. Cheney, and the head of
NORAD conducting THREE war games involving planes flying into buildings on the exact same day that planes flying into buildings -- no WAY that could
be a conspiracy! Also -- I'm amazed at how the Federal Indictment for BILLIONS OF DOLLARS of fraudulent Federal Notes that was going to go against
the Bush family and some co-conspirators, was totally forgotten from history. The entire case against ENRON and the Bush family was in Building 7 of
the WTC. So if you are going to BURY a court case against you and your friends -- blow up the fricken' building! I mean, probable cause? Sure. But
it's all just a coincidence.
I'm sure that very few people here remember the "U.S. Poet." That was a ship implicated in moving the weapons to Iran in the Iran-Contra scandal.
It was lost with all hands on deck. The principle whistle-blower in the case, supposedly had a sudden "brain hemorrhage" on is way to court, and the
CIA stepped in to conduce a quick, life-saving operation that left him a vegetable. No -- I'm not making that up. They did an emergency Lobotomy.
I can understand that a LOT of people don't know these facts -- but it isn't a conspiracy theory to MENTION facts that people don't know -- however
obscure. Anyone, who understands these facts, should be troubled by them. At that point, you've either got to claim the facts are wrong, or you need
to have a strong affection for Cognitive Dissonance -- which seems to be the case in America, where 85% of us claim to be church goers -- I'm sure
the training starts with getting people to believe in Santa Klaus.
4) Get Good People to Help You
The thing about a GOOD conspiracy, is that you don't NEED to have thousands of people in on it. It's better to have hierarchical authority
structures and someone at the top. Being President of the USA, allows you to put cronies at the top of organizations -- who will PROTECT the
reputation of the crony if the entire agency looks to be involved. The CIA, NSA, military, Catholic Church, FAA, EPA, FDA and a whole host of
organizations are great examples -- and I don't know of any off the top of my head, that didn't have an incredibly corrupt and/or incompetent Bush
crony at the top of it.
There were GOOD PEOPLE involved in covering up the JFK incident -- because they didn't want a war with Cuba. An interesting fact; there were TWO
previous assassination attempts on JFK before the one that got him in Texas -- how could THAT be a single shooter? A later court hearing officially
found that JFK died as a result of a conspiracy -- that's NOT my theory. Yet you ask the average American, they all think it was official that one
shooter committed the assassination and anyone who says different is a nut. What "everybody knows" is absolute BS. What everyone "knows" about
Christopher Columbus when I was growing up in High School -- was nonsense. What everyone knew about Thanks Giving and the Pilgrims "rescuing"
Squanto was nonsense. Officially: the Military and CIA have now come out informing us that the North Korean and Vietnam Wars were started based upon
Nobody got arrested for "starting" those wars -- yet the "Weathermen" -- a group of anti-war "terrorists" are the stuff of nightmares for
Conservatives even today. They wanted to end the war by blowing up buildings and offering the slightest resistance to an evil and destructive
occupation -- and the entire force of government and the judicial system was brought to bare. But after 9/11 -- every effort to "investigate" was
blocked by the Bush administration. Their own 9/11 Committee, wrote a book talking about the obstruction.
What probably made it HARDER to investigate 9/11, is that the FAA had the Head of Security destroy the RADAR tapes. NORAD kept secret their
involvement and confusion for 5 years. The Pentagon confiscated every tape, and lied about having multiple video camera feeds and anti-aircraft
weaponry on the roof. All the video cameras "malfunctioned" at WTC the day of the attack -- coincidence! But a black eye on security. Building 7
fell at Free Fall Speed -- but the government organization that "proved" that a burning plane could cause the pancake collapse lied about that (at
first) -- another case of a Bush crony at the top. An FBI agent sent 72 warnings to the top of the FBI about Moussoui and a proposed attack -- all
ignored. I could probably add a half dozen other agencies that were ROTTEN AT THE TOP.
Does anyone remember the "hookers and poker" incident at the Watergate Hotel? That was the head of the CIA, using money from Homeland Security's
million-dollar "Limousine budget" to entertain (extort?) members of Congress and the Senate. The head of the CIA resigned -- remember his name?
AGAIN -- this isn't my conspiracy theory, it's on the record So this is the same CIA that said nothing about Bush's involvement with Bin Laden or
the FACT that most of the terrorists got their passports even while being on a watch list from the CIA at the embassy in Saudi Arabia.
There were a lot of good people who got "covered" in mud by 9/11. A lot of people who THOUGHT they let our country down -- and the military,
clandestine services, etc. And a LOT of good people probably helped cover it up, possibly worried that they were protecting something good or
themselves,... same thing happened after the JFK assassination. How could JFK's brain go missing? The "single shooter" or Jack Ruby obviously, must
have telekinetic powers. Today, some investigators think it was the Cuban mafia (who Pappy Bush had close ties with via the CIA) and they were
defending America by keeping us from having a war with Cuba (and by extension, the USSR). They probably didn't know about Operation Northwoods,
either. But the Cuban Mafia were probably dupes -- just like the REAL Al Qaeda moles were probably working for a double-agent. It doesn't hurt to get
people involved who would LIKE to hurt the USA, as long as you are attacking the USA.
>> I also remember the Silverado Savings and Loan scandal. Billions went missing. And guess who was right in the middle of the problem, and the
subsequent HALT of investigations into the Savings and Loan bank crash of the late '80s? Marvin Bush. It was connected to Dubai banks through the
terrorist-funding BCCI bank. The Bush family NEVER left Dubai -- and we are back to Blackwater Mercenaries caught trading drugs with the Taliban in
Afghanistan,... if you think it's farfetched that the Bush family would be involved in the drug trade, merely because they banked at a drug trade
bank -- just remember that "Iran/Contra" also involved shipping Cocaine from the "Contras" in order to support their "uprising" which was
really, just a way to allow corporations easy access and get rid of worker protections in Columbia. Also, remember that Jack Abramoff, was the drug
go-between, and then he resurfaces looking like the "Bag Man" in a later conspiracy ... NO, there are no "conspiracy theories" so far, and all
this stuff is documented, though obviously not important enough for the evening news on our TV. So what was Abramoff doing to get in trouble, AFTER
Iran/Contra? Do we really need space-lasers taking down a building to draw some dotted lines between 9/11 and George Bush?
5) Here Come the Clowns: The Chewbacca Defense and Astro Turf
This is where you put in something ridiculous, so that everyone can laugh at the clown, or the "alien big foot" conspiracy, and by extension, ANYONE
claiming that there was a "stand down" order for military planes.
It's kind of like the "sacrificial lamb" but instead of someone who is assumed to be a "great lead" and an authority who burns the topic, this is
promoting a lot of idiots, who can grab the attention of fools or "paid" operatives who call attention to it. I remember in the Early Days of 2004,
blogging about the "torture of suspects" at Abu Ghraib, in Iraq, and there was a LOT OF NONSENSE spouted and trolls talking about how anyone saying
such a thing hated America -- this was at the Huffingtonpost.com. But their IP addresses were tracked and MOST of them came from an IP address used by
the Air Force.
Oh, for the days when it was EASY to spot the Astro Turf members. "Astro Turf" is a term that is used to discuss phony Grass Roots organizations. I
first learned of the term concerning a document of 500 signatures of leading Climatologists who ALL AGREED that Global Warming was a farce. It turned
out, however, that MOST of the signatories didn't even know of the document, and the website and it's "adherents" were getting money from the Koch
Oil Company in New Jersey. Since then, I've learned that there is a lot more Astro Turf (called; Think Tanks like the Heritage Group, for instance)
who are part of our infrastructure and the spewing of WRONG FACTS has been going on for decades. It's a lot cheaper to make people think there is
CLEAN COAL through propaganda, than to actually spend the money to make Coal, Clean.
6) Make Sure You are Best Friends with your Alleged Enemy
Pappy Bush made a lot of hay about evil Iran. Through Ollie North, he was shipping weapons to them, in order that they hold onto the hostages. The
OTHER thing, was that he was arming the most ANTI-AMERICAN radicals in Iran, and helping to subdue moderates who might NOT be so anti-American after
the overthrow of our puppet, the Shah. So basically, Pappy Bush was allies with his sworn enemy.
We don't have to look to far to find that there are a LOT of financial arrangements between the Bin Laden family, the Saudi Royal family, and the
Bush family. Even a software company for education owned by one of the Bush brothers, gets Saudi money.
So, let's not forget the "Puppet War" with Iran. Today, we are "still" at war with Iran, and we are "STILL" desperate to get THAT guy in Cuba.
These are the longest-running obsessions of the Bush family. After 9/11, the biggest showing of support outside of the USA occurred in Iran. They even
sent troops to help with the capture of Bin Laden in Afghanistan (STILL, no conspiracy theory here -- this is a matter of record). Then, two weeks
before Iran's elections, Bush made his "axis of evil" speech, and put troops on two borders of Iran, and air craft carriers doing maneuvers near
their coast. Amadinijad won by a narrow margin.
If it weren't for Bush's HUGE THREAT against Iran, they might have very likely elected a pro-Western politician. The population of Iran is mostly
young, and MOSTLY sick and tired of living under a theocracy. Possibly, the ONLY thing keeping support for their Religious rule is the outside threat
from "the Great Satan." And nobody has promoted this more than the Bush family.
And again, we get the # Threat to America from the Bin Laden family, which has VERY CLOSE TIES with the Bush family. On 9/10/2001, the head of the Bin
Laden family was meeting with Pappy Bush for a shareholders meeting of the largest "private" weapons dealer in the world; The Carlysle Group (which
was meeting in Florida, and Jeb Bush was having a beer while watching the trade towers fall with... -- OK, look it up yourself). Even after the sudden
confusion and sudden certainty that it was "All Al Qaeda's doing!" The Bin Laden family got cleared for takeoff by order of the President and the
FBI was told no to investigate THEM or their financial transactions. And on 9/12/2001, the only commercial air flight that day was the Bin Laden
family and some Carlysle group VIPs headed for safety.
>> I'm just really tired of this nonsense. I don't really care WHAT theory we come up with to explain what happened on 9/11. I just know that nobody
had more MOTIVE OR MEANS than the Bush crime family, and all the confusion surrounding it seems like all the confusion around JFK's assassination, or
the BCCI bank scandal, or a dozen other "series of unfortunate incidents" involving the Bush Crime Family. I mean, you can even talk about Arbusto
Oil, and the original name of the "Bay of Pigs" operation was operation Zappata, which was the same name as the oil company the CIA used to rent the
boats from -- guess who owned THAT company?