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Originally posted by The Old American
You are correct, prior to 1967 the borders were one way. Now they are another. By your own words you believe:
"This is the way it used to be" is not a valid argument when talking about current events.
Because you operate on the presumption that people are going to drop everything and agree that yes, we should return borders to how they were 44 years ago.
An UNRWA administrated refugee camp near Jenin was entered by Israeli forces in early April 2002, an operation the IDF described as intending "to dismantle the terrorist infrastructure operating out of the P.A.-controlled areas". Over the next few days a battle took place between the IDF and Palestinians. According to the IDF, Israel chose not to bomb the spots of resistance using aircraft as it entered, but rather to take hold of the city using infantry, although there appears to have been a limited use of helicopters.
After the April 9 ambush, the IDF changed tactics, presumably in order to continue the operation without risking more Israeli deaths, and began operating the heavily-armored IDF Caterpillar D9 bulldozers. Earlier, the IDF maintained that heavy bulldozers were mainly used to clear booby traps and open routes to armored fighting vehicles. After April 9, the bulldozers demolished each house that was allegedly used by the militants to attack Israeli soldiers, and other houses to widen alleyways or to secure locations for IDF troops. Some Palestinians claim that there were cases when the IDF bulldozed houses while there were people inside.
The introduction of the heavily armored bulldozers, which shrugged off explosives and RPGs alike, and the threat of being buried alive, caused the Palestinian militants to surrender. Later, IDF forces withdrew gradually from the refugee camp under international pressure.
After the conflict Israeli reports claim that 8-9% of the houses within the refugee camp were destroyed. This was largely within an area of intense fighting of approximately 100 m by 100 m according to the IDF. Most of the demolition occurred in the Hawashin neighborhood.
Immediately following the event, Israeli authorities prevented the international press from entering the refugee camp for two weeks, which potentially delayed the ability of the world community to assess the damage. Later inquiries by human rights groups and the UN commission did not find evidence of massacres by Israeli forces in Jenin.
Originally posted by dontreally
Why did 800,000 Jews flee Muslim lands after the '48 war. Look it up.
Originally posted by stavis
reply to post by Dnevnoi
It is true that thousands of full Jews fled overnight when the Zionist Israelis, the state of the United Nations. The former power structure enabled a covert continuation of the war that Hitler was now "finished" From that day Zionists attacked the Palestinians almost every day and deaths among the Palestinian population now became an everyday which is like a living hell. These are the facts.
Ashkenazi-jew or Khazars who they really are has nothing to do with Jews, but by calling themselves Jews.
This is a plot from the Khazars people, the who attack Khazars is attacking are all "Jews" anti-Semitic words is heard now and it will get people to fall silent, no one wants at all, implying support for the so-called Holocaust of the "Jews" in Germany. no one is a racist BUT the zionist who hates all mankind.
One should distinguish between the concepts and do not confuse themselves in the Zionist fictional story that is only to create confusion for the person or persons who opposes their plan for a "free israel" They're not martyrs, they are not victims of some Muslim warfare MORE than that used by Muslims in defense.
What is Hamas? and similar so-called Islamic terrorist groups? It is zionic-controlled and invented in a single purpose: to create a public opinion which supports Israel's war against muslims&Palestine and now also West West bitterly felt the manipulation of this type of warfare throughout the 911th.
The world is planned to be controlled by Israel through total control of all world states, that is what the conflict in Israel is about.
Muslims are the religion they have not yet gained control over or have ever had. The other religions are already in their control!
Originally posted by stavis
reply to post by TheWalkingFox
a) try to learn religion first hand.
b) marking words is just a way of...
c) what did you say in your post? NOTHING! ABSOLUTLY NOTHING! JUST BS Not a single fact or anything that is really true
Also: you are talking about mongol huh, can you give me full info about this...please...where did the mongols came from? hmm...I am about 3 thousend years ahead of what you are writing about...please.... you are a product of an lie manifactured around the beginning of the 18th century.
Human Rights Watch, which in a published report last week also concluded that no massacre took place, nonetheless documented 22 civilian deaths and said the Israelis used excessive and indiscriminate force during the operation. Time found that as Israeli soldiers moved from house to house, they sometimes compelled Palestinian civilians to take the dangerous job of leading the approach to the buildings.
Originally posted by gravitational
The Jenin massacre is a hoax made up , once again, by the Palestinians.
Okay, so there wasn't a massacre. Israel only shot some children, brought a house crashing down on an old man, rained cement blocks on an invalid who couldn't get out in time, used locals as a human shield against bombs, and prevented aid from getting to the sick and wounded. That's really not a massacre, and there's no need for a commission of inquiry or a "fact-finding mission," whether run by ourselves or sent by the goyim.
Originally posted by dontreally
reply to post by confreak
No. Read that book, "Dhimmitude" by Bat Yeor. Or read 'Jews and Arabs' by SC Goiten, or 'In Ishmaels House', by Martin Gilbert. There are many books on the subject. How many have you read?
It is a massive misunderstanding to think "Jews had it good in Muslim lands". You know what thats like? The difference between a smack in the face and a punch in the face. Yes. The punch is worse. But why would you consider the slap, good? The slap is still demeaning, dehumanizing, and as much an outrage - morally - as the punch. The only difference is in severity.
Living in Christian Europe was worse. But Jews who lived in Muslim lands still dealt with massacres from time to time.They were forced to pay a head tax - a compulsory for all peoples of the book - Jew or Christian, which took a great toll on poor amongst them. In some Muslim lands, Jews had to wear badges - and indeed this is where the idea was invented and only later transported to Christian Europe. In ALL Muslim lands, according to the major Islamic commentators Avicenna and Al Ghazali, Jews could only ride mules - not horses or camels - and had to ride side saddle when riding by a muslim. In some lands, Jews had a wooden demon attached to their front door. When the tax collector came by a dhimmis house, the collector would smack the Jew or Christian on the back of the ear as a sign of submission.
Yea. this was sooo nice. Because you think the Jews excelled at one time, under one muslim government, in one country - spain - you think conditions such as that existed everywhere? They didnt. And even then, a man like Maimonides while living in 'liberal' free thinking ummayad spain, was forced to convert and indeed had to pretend to be a muslim up until the authorities found out,. And when they did, he fled for morocco. And when in Fez, he fled once more to Egypt - where the more reposed Kurd Salah Al Din (saladin) hired Maimonides as his personal physician.
Namely that every Jew on earth must be beheaded, likewise every other person on earth that does not convert to Islam must be killed.
Originally posted by gravitational
It's a joy watching you bunch wallowing in your lies, and how you twist like snakes.
The UN investigation concluded there were no massacre, but of course you have your own private court right here. Judges jury and witnesses all combined.
Anybody remembers what was happening in the months prior to that IDF operation ?
I bet you yelled massacre right there and then. Sure you did.
Cobra attack helicopters began to pound rooftop Palestinian positions. But the Israelis' most effective weapon was unconventional: the huge, armored D-9 bulldozer, 20 ft. tall and weighing more than 50 tons; its shovel can crush a car with a single blow. Eventually, a dozen of them went into action, clearing paths for the tanks and detonating booby traps; Palestinians say Israeli troops rode atop them, firing rocket-propelled grenades. Undoubtedly, the D-9s destroyed houses, but they certainly didn't bury as many people as Palestinian officials have alleged. It takes the D-9 at least half an hour to fully wreck a building. Israeli soldiers say they always called to residents to come out before the bulldozers went in. But even if the innocents were too frightened initially to leave, most would surely have done so as soon as the D-9 started its work. A senior Palestinian military officer tells Time it was probably the gunmen's own booby traps that buried some civilians and fighters alive. There were bombs that were certainly big enough to wreck a cinder-block refugee house more devastatingly than a D-9 ever could.
But the increasing ferocity of the fighting led to tragic errors. On Day 6, Fatih Shalabe, 63, was hiding in his home with his family, including his son Waddah, 37. At 6 p.m., Shalabe says, soldiers entered his neighbor's home. Those residents, the Saadeh family, tried to flee into Shalabe's yard. Soldiers followed and ordered all 17 people out into an alley. Fatih and Waddah were ordered to stand against a wall with their neighbor's son, Abdel Karim Saadeh. The soldiers followed the procedure now widely used to guard against suicide attacks — they ordered the men to lift their shirtfronts to reveal whether they were wearing suicide belts packed with explosives. Abdel Karim had a bad back and wore a medical support; when he lifted his shirt, the soldiers saw his corset and thought it was a bomb belt. According to Shalabe, the officer then said, "Shoot, shoot." The Israelis gunned down Waddah and Abdel Karim. Waddah slammed back against the wall. Fatih went down too and lay covered in his son's blood, pretending to be dead until the Israelis moved on. "I would have been luckier if I had died," Fatih later told Time.
Palestine (Greek: Παλαιστίνη, Palaistinē; Latin: Palaestina; Hebrew: ארץ־ישראל Eretz-Yisra'el, formerly also פלשׂתינה, Palestina; Arabic: فلسطين Filasṭīn, Falasṭīn, Filisṭīn) was a conventional name, among others, used between 450 BC and 1948 AD to describe a geographic region between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River, and various adjoining lands.