Atlantis and Noah!

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posted on Aug, 6 2004 @ 10:01 AM
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Greetings,

Was Atlantis the homeland of Noah?

Could anyone have or seen an article on this? Thanx




posted on Aug, 6 2004 @ 10:04 AM
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Well have you heard about how they think theres a boat a top a turkish mountain. Yeah they thinks its Noahs Ark. Yeah if thats true then that means either no Atlantis wasn't his home, or Turkey is actually Atlantis. Many theoryies state that Noah came from the land that is now the black see. Supposedly this land may have been a giant basin and then somehow throught erosion and stuff the Mediteranian flooded the entire basin.



posted on Aug, 6 2004 @ 10:11 AM
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This was a new one on me, so I googled it.



Now some of you are familiar with the Christian story about Noah. As the story goes, Noah was warned by a serpent and told to build an ark. Everyone thought Noah was crazy, but he built his ark anyway; as the story goes, because he built the ark he was able to save humans and animals. Now he built the ark at the same time as the destruction of Atlantis - the Great Flood.

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I dunno. interesting nonetheless.

Peace,
BG



posted on Aug, 6 2004 @ 10:13 AM
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yes the turkish mountain is mt.ararat i think its says that was the location in the bible but am not sure.



posted on Aug, 6 2004 @ 10:35 AM
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Originally posted by cyberdude78
Well have you heard about how they think theres a boat a top a turkish mountain. Yeah they thinks its Noahs Ark.


There is no boat atop any turkish, armenian, or kurdish mountains.



Many theoryies state that Noah came from the land that is now the black see.


Only one theory supposes that the flooding/expansion of the Black Sea was the source for the myth of a global flood. The idea is that when this sea flooded and increased in size, the refugees from the coastlines kept the story of it alive in their myths. However the timing of the flooding was extremely old, compared to the existance of flood stories in that region.



Supposedly this land may have been a giant basin and then somehow throught erosion and stuff the Mediteranian flooded the entire basin.


Its a pretty good theory, insofar as that tere is good evidence for this local flood to have occured. Even the med. itself was once not a sea, just dry land. That was an extremely long time ago tho.



posted on Aug, 6 2004 @ 10:40 AM
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Well as for the boat theres people who plan on investigating it. Its pretty remote. Its definatly possilbe that the great flood was just the flooding of the black sea. Considering back then their version of the world was a lot smaller.



posted on Aug, 6 2004 @ 10:50 AM
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Just to add here, they found some old timbers on the mountain, that date to the time. Of course, the time in question is mostly speculation. There is little to suggest it's the remains of a boat, other than wishful thinking, it could just as easily have been an old lodging, etc.

Connecting Noah and Atlantis is a giant leap imho....



posted on Aug, 6 2004 @ 11:04 AM
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Here's the problem: The flood story can be found over a large geographical area, including South America. I know I'm gonna catch hell for this, but I'm still convinced that the Earth has been flooded, at least in very large part. Realize that some flood stories say the survivors fled to mountains, not boats, and since people would tend to settle near water, it is not impossible that a limited flood did the job.

There are 3 explanations of this geographical spread of the myth.

1. It was a localized flood that happened before humans went their seperate ways- when all or at least most humans were together as a tribe. This is only possible in a creationist model of ancient history, in which case we may as well just accept the religious flood story at face value, right?

2. It was a localized flood and the story was spread by a massive cultural exchange throughout the known world, far in excess of what we would consider likely in the absence of this particular question.

3. Very large portions of the world, maybe even all of it, were flooded in ancient history, probably by the melting of glaciers after they younger dryas. Keep in mind that if the earth were entirely smooth, the water would cover earth entirely. So, what if the ocean floor used to be significantly closer to sea level somehow? The sea floor has been under unfathomable tons of water for thousands of years- I'm not a geologist, but my gut tells me that such circumstances might have changed things.



posted on Aug, 6 2004 @ 11:07 AM
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Anybody ever heard of the Ice age. When ice melts it turns into water. Thats were you get global flooding. Well with global warming were pretty much screwed. Nice job General Motors for screwing our ozone.



posted on Aug, 6 2004 @ 11:17 AM
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Some stones with holes bored in them were found in those mountains.They speculate that they were mooring stones for the ark.
In fact,2IC tells me it was made to float if neccessary,not sail.The unheavals thrust the area upwards,and this way they escaped the waters,the flooding. This was befor the flooding of the mediterannean Basin.Possibly the Arabian area.



posted on Aug, 6 2004 @ 11:56 AM
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Why not tie all of it up with the building of the Pyramids too? Atlantis SANK, it didn't FLOOD... allegedly...

The Chinese also have a flood myth, of one "Nu Wah" who built a boat and was saved from the deluge along with his wife and six children. The word for "Boat" in chinese is a combination of the words "Mouth" and "Eight".

In the Bible, the Ark of Noah came down somewhere in the Ararat range- there is nothing saying it was Ararat itself.



posted on Aug, 6 2004 @ 12:37 PM
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Originally posted by Nygdan

Originally posted by cyberdude78
Well have you heard about how they think theres a boat a top a turkish mountain. Yeah they thinks its Noahs Ark.


There is no boat atop any turkish, armenian, or kurdish mountains.



Many theoryies state that Noah came from the land that is now the black see.


Only one theory supposes that the flooding/expansion of the Black Sea was the source for the myth of a global flood. The idea is that when this sea flooded and increased in size, the refugees from the coastlines kept the story of it alive in their myths. However the timing of the flooding was extremely old, compared to the existance of flood stories in that region.



Supposedly this land may have been a giant basin and then somehow throught erosion and stuff the Mediteranian flooded the entire basin.


Its a pretty good theory, insofar as that tere is good evidence for this local flood to have occured. Even the med. itself was once not a sea, just dry land. That was an extremely long time ago tho.


The flood legends are WORLDWIDE, not just confined to the Black Sea. Here in Arizona the Natives believe the white layer at the top of Superstition Mountain marks the highwater of the flood.

THIS SURE LOOKS LIKE A BOAT ON TOP OF A MOUNTAIN TO ME.



posted on Aug, 6 2004 @ 01:09 PM
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Nearly all cultures have a flood myth. You'll find Noah like tales from ancient American Indian tribes (in Both South and North America), as well as in Asia and India. In my openion a global catastrophe happend, most likely a meteor landing in the Atlantic ocean, which caused tidal floods and geologic instability and gave birth to many so called flood myths including the Noah story as well as the destruction of Atlantis. Anthrapologic and geographic evidence points to a world wide meteoric - siesmic event to have happend around 1200 B.C.E.



posted on Aug, 6 2004 @ 02:44 PM
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Originally posted by cyberdude78
Well as for the boat theres people who plan on investigating it.



Many people have investigated it. It simply isn't there.



Its definatly possilbe that the great flood was just the flooding of the black sea. Considering back then their version of the world was a lot smaller.


Agreed. The time span between the Black Sea flood and the first appearance of the flood myth (in its sumerian/assyrian form) seems a bit much for me. And there have certainly been other big floods in history that could also have accounted for it tho. Its a 'possible', tho not -very- 'probably' candidate, in my estimation anyway.



posted on Aug, 6 2004 @ 03:24 PM
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i didn't notice the other responses, hence this double post.


Originally posted by Gazrok
Just to add here, they found some old timbers on the mountain, that date to the time.


I am unfamiliar with this information. Can you point me to the source?


vagabond:
Here's the problem: The flood story can be found over a large geographical area, including South America. I know I'm gonna catch hell for this, but I'm still convinced that the Earth has been flooded,


Ok here comes hell. Mwa haha. There is no reason to connect all the flood myths in the world with each other. The sumerian and jewish flood myth, yes, i think a thats pretty good connection. But not all. Floods are common. There's no reason for them to not be multiple, independant, and local. Also, think about it, civilizations tended to pop up along rivers. Rivers, quite often catastrophically, flood.

Do you have any evidence for a global flood? How come there are no flood sediments for this event? Where does the water for all this flooding come from?


cyberdude78:
Anybody ever heard of the Ice age. When ice melts it turns into water. Thats were you get global flooding. Well with global warming were pretty much screwed. Nice job General Motors for screwing our ozone.


The water frozen at the poles has been melted in the past. It is not enough to cover the entire planet. Yes, a larger portion does get flooded tho, but this hasn't happened in historical times. Also, during an ice age, much more water is frozen in this manner. Currently, we're in an interglacial period, which ice at the poles, but not huge continental ice sheets most everywhere else.


that old dragon murdering saint said:
Some stones with holes bored in them were found in those mountains.They speculate that they were mooring stones for the ark.


Stones with holes in them? Where did you get this information, I have not heard it before. I couldn't make any sense out of your last sentence, could you explain it to me again?


gregor samsa's surprise said:
The Chinese also have a flood myth, of one "Nu Wah" who built a boat and was saved from the deluge along with his wife and six children. The word for "Boat" in chinese is a combination of the words "Mouth" and "Eight".




this website says
The Chinese character for boat (chuan 2) consists of the boat radical on the left and a phonetic element on the right. The phonetic element has two parts. The upper part is a primitive ideograph for "divide", though it looks the same as the character for "eight." The lower part is the pictograph for "mouth." However, these two elements have only phonetic significance. The boat which the character refers to is a small coastal craft, nothing like an ark.
Noah's Ark carried very many more than eight mouths.
No actual flood myths from China include an ark with eight passengers.


see this site also



groingrinder noted:
Here in Arizona the Natives believe the white layer at the top of Superstition Mountain marks the highwater of the flood


I never said flood myths weren't world wide. That makes no effective difference. The white layer, is it infact a flood deposit. Its nice that the natives beleive it is, but what do the geologists think of it? Ironic that its called 'Superstition Mountain'.

in response to your website cite, i cite this one which looks to address all the major points.

the response site:
The metal traces which were interpreted as iron brackets were actually goethite, a hydrated iron oxide. This mineral was thoroughly mixed with clay, calcite, quartz, and anthophyllite particles, and it showed a large amount of chemical variability across the sample. Neither of these properties would occur in smelted iron.

The purported walls of the ark are limonite concentrations. Their boat-like shape is consistent with an eroded doubly-plunging syncline. The stresses of such folding commonly cause fractures that cut across the layers. Water moving through these fractures would have produced the limonite concentrations which were interpreted as dividing walls.

In short, the structure is consistent with the following geological history:


Rocks formed when sediments eroded from nearby volcanic rocks and were compacted.
These layers were folded into a doubly plunging syncline.
A marine sea eroded a channel into the rocks and deposited fossiliferous limestone in it.
The land was uplifted, and erosion removed most of the limestone and exposed the fold.
A landslide carried blocks of rock and mud around the synclinal structure.

This interpretation is consistent with the structure itself and with the surrounding geology.
No fossilized wood or traces of wood, reed, or elemental carbon were found associated with the structure.



indy says:
In my openion a global catastrophe happend, most likely a meteor landing in the Atlantic ocean, which caused tidal floods and geologic instability and gave birth to many so called flood myths including the Noah story as well as the destruction of Atlantis. Anthrapologic and geographic evidence points to a world wide meteoric - siesmic event to have happend around 1200 B.C.E.


What evidence for a meteor impact? Also, if it did cause a global flood, where is the evidence for it? Also, why would a large boat with all the animals in it be built if it was a tidal wave that swept the earth? How would a structure like the ark survive a fantastically gi-normous tidal wave like that? Why would there also be stories about being out to water for much longer than a tidal wave would involve? And think about it, an impact large enough to send a tidal wave across in entire planet, wouldn't that be such a large impact as to be wildly more destructive than merely flooding things?



posted on Aug, 6 2004 @ 04:22 PM
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That wasn't really hell- might be able to pass it off as purgatory or at least limbo maybe. I'm gonna do some reading about a local feature and get back to you. We've got water-lines and fish-traps on the mountainside near my home town, so once I find out exactly when the lake (or sea) existed and who built the traps I'll post it.



posted on Aug, 6 2004 @ 04:24 PM
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Never said it was a boat.An ark like the Ark of the Covenant,means "container". There was calcified wooden remains up there,if not on Ararat,in the saddle between it and another mountain.
Mountains were thrust up in upheavals,but somebody conned you into thinking that the plates moves only very slowly over eons.There is evidence for rapid risings and sinkings,oceans flooding causing salination,magnetic reversals,and instant weather changes.
Now the Deluge was caused,in Noahs time (and Atlantis) by the earth quaking,and the oceans jostle like a bowl of water. The pressure at the plates build until something snaps.Prophesy says it will be an act of God, which is in fact earth movements and terraforming by the forces at the Visitors command. They have hardley showed you what they can do yet.Warnings are always given, but you refuse to listen to any emmisaries,then we go ahead.



posted on Aug, 6 2004 @ 06:06 PM
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Now the Deluge was caused,in Noahs time (and Atlantis) by the earth quaking,and the oceans jostle like a bowl of water. The pressure at the plates build until something snaps.Prophesy says it will be an act of God, which is in fact earth movements and terraforming by the forces at the Visitors command. They have hardley showed you what they can do yet.Warnings are always given, but you refuse to listen to any emmisaries,then we go ahead.

I see that the mental hospital you live in is very progressive in allowing the inmates internet access



posted on Aug, 6 2004 @ 06:17 PM
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Noah may have landed on Ararat, and there is evidence of the Ark still being present there, contrary to what some might say. It is interesting to note, that one of Noah's descendents was named Peleg, for the Earth was divided in his lifetime. I believe we have an allusion to Pangea.

Food for thought, but no Atlantis



posted on Aug, 6 2004 @ 06:29 PM
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Noah may have landed on Ararat, and there is evidence of the Ark still being present there, contrary to what some might say. It is interesting to note, that one of Noah's descendents was named Peleg, for the Earth was divided in his lifetime. I believe we have an allusion to Pangea.

how do you figure that? Are you saying that Pangea was named after Pegleg or somehow Peglegs mom knew that in 10,000 or so years scientists would invent the name Pangea?





 
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