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All of this appears to have something to do with the Amalek mentioned in the Torah.
Originally posted by Zamini
Go read up on self-fulfilling prophecies after you go to the doctor.
Originally posted by Skyfloating
Originally posted by Zamini
Go read up on self-fulfilling prophecies after you go to the doctor.
Ive already mentioned the possibility of the Amalek-story being a self-fullfilling prophecy on page one.
Amalekites did indeed exist at this early period having originated in the region of Mecca before the time of Abraham.
Numbers 20 Then he looked on Amalek and took up his discourse and said, Amalek was the first among the nations, but its end is utter destruction.
Ive already mentioned the possibility of the Amalek-story being a self-fullfilling prophecy on page one.
Are you have the opinion that I should not be writing about this particular viewpoint shared by so many throughout History? I think its of vital importance to know what these people believe.
Originally posted by Zamini
Sure, it can be informative to know what idiots 2000 years ago believed. The same goes for today, it is important to know what the idiots of the world believe - in order to distance oneself from all the religious stupidity and insanity that is going on. Of which your thread is a wonderful example, it shows the level of insanity and irrationality one has to accept before any of this religious quackery about "chosen people" on one side and god knows what on the other side makes sense. Thanks.
Originally posted by newcovenant
If the Amalekites existed before the Judeo Christian God created Abraham, then can we assume they are not thought to be created by Abraham's God or the scriptures would read God of Abraham... and the Amalekites. It also mentions Amalek may have been taller than normal, a part of their name means "tall."edit on 7-6-2011 by newcovenant because: (no reason given)
In the Pentateuch, the Amalekites are nomads who attacked the Hebrews at Rephidim (Exodus 17:8-10) in the desert of Sinai during their exodus from Egypt: "smiting the hindmost, all that were feeble behind," (Deuteronomy 25:18 HE). The Tanakh recognizes the Amalekites as indigenous tribesmen, "the first of the nations" (Numbers 24:20). In the southern lowlands too, perhaps the dry grazing lands that are now the Negev (Num. 12, 14), there were aboriginal Amalekites who were daunting adversaries of the Hebrews in the earliest times. "They dwelt in the land of the south...from Havilah until thou comest to Shur" (Numbers 13:29; 1 Samuel 15:7). At times said to be allied with the Moabites (Judg. 3:13) and the Midianites
Some scholars say it was not a geographical area but a league of tribes.We are also told that Midian was a son of Abraham.
According to Genesis 19:30-38, the ancestor of the Moabites was Lot by incest with his oldest daughter.
Some people find that insane. Others find genocide insane. Each to his own.
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8 Now David and his men went up and raided the Geshurites and the Girzites and the Amalekites;
for they were the inhabitants of the land from ancient times,
as you come to Shur even as far as the land of Egypt. 9 David attacked the land and did not leave a man or a woman alive, and he took away the sheep, the cattle, the donkeys, the camels, and the clothing.
From man unto woman, from infant unto suckling, from ox unto sheep, so that the name of Amalek not be mentioned even with reference to an animal by saying "This animal belonged to Amalek"
"8 Now David and his men went up and made raids against
the Geshurites, the Girzites, and the Amalekites,
for these were the inhabitants of the land from of old,
Originally posted by Skyfloating
Originally posted by newcovenant
If the Amalekites existed before the Judeo Christian God created Abraham, then can we assume they are not thought to be created by Abraham's God or the scriptures would read God of Abraham... and the Amalekites. It also mentions Amalek may have been taller than normal, a part of their name means "tall."
Interesting catch with a number of implications (Im thinking the biblical pre-flood "Giants").
"Nephilim" is rendered fallen, or possibly feller: a tyrant or bully.
Several English translations rendered the word "giants", but of late translators seem to prefer leave it untranslated. The "giants" translation may have come from the Greek old testament where "nephilim" was "gegantes" which looks like "giant" but in modern Greek would be "titans".
In Greek mythos, the titans were the supernaturally powerful offspring of gods and humans.
Because the Lord promised to "blot out the name" of Amalek
(Exodus 17:14), it is customary when the book of Esther is read
at the Purim festival, for the audience to make noise
whenever "Haman" is mentioned, so that his name is not heard.
a member of the Israeli Knesset indicated in 2003 that Jewish children in Israel were being taught in religious schools that Palestinians were Amalek, and that therefore total genocide was a religious obligation
Originally posted by Zamini
I'm sure that if you had an unbiased view you would find that those that commit genocide suffer from the same delusions and insanity as those with extreme, religious ideas. In fact, most of the time they go hand in hand.
But before that can happen, the origins of genocide must be pinpointed. Evil likes to evade pinpointing.
Originally posted by newcovenant
for they were the inhabitants of the land from ancient times,
Originally posted by Vanais
I would be more inclined to believe that the whole ideology of persecution, is manufactured by zionist jews.
Originally posted by Skyfloating
reply to post by newcovenant
Thanks for the in-depth contribution. Very fascinating. In a strange sort of way this makes sense.
If there is any truth to karma, then over thousands of years a nation will at one point be the victim and at another the perpetrator and this cycle will continue until it is recognized and broken.
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, 59, and Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, 52, are twins in spirit: Both men are convinced of the absolute validity of their beliefs, both are obsessed by what they see as their higher calling, and both are convinced that theirs is a Messianic mission — a mission to "honor" a religion or "save" a people.
No Jewish generation is permitted to forget the conflict with Amalek, because Amalek embodies the intrinsically evil and destructive. Fighting Amalek is the duty of every devout Jew, a "mitzvah aseh" or commandment of action. According to some interpretations of ancient scripture, this mitzvah is more far-reaching, namely a commandment to eliminate the original enemies of the Jews. Rabbis like Bibi Netanyahu's grandfather taught, and continue to teach today, that Jews are forced to combat the Amalekites, who are constantly, as Goldberg puts it, "reappearing in new forms"
Originally posted by Skyfloating
Originally posted by luxordelphi
I won't mention the obvious choice which is even now in it's death throes but just throw in "there is a power rising in the east."
That would be Iran which has chosen the Hamas-side.