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What Undeniable Proof Do You Have To Prove Aliens Are "Demons"

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posted on Jun, 6 2011 @ 09:51 PM
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Ok. Coming from the person who didnt know what evidence means...



Being dishonest will not get you very far here sir. I never claimed/stated I didn't know the meaning of evidence.

I said evidence does NOT need to convince anyone for it to be evidence.




posted on Jun, 6 2011 @ 09:52 PM
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Originally posted by NOTurTypical
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Ok. Coming from the person who didnt know what evidence means...



Being dishonest will not get you very far here sir. I never claimed/stated I didn't know the meaning of evidence.

I said evidence does NOT need to convince anyone for it to be evidence.


Ok whatever. Lets not play this game and get back on topic please.



posted on Jun, 6 2011 @ 09:53 PM
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Sure. Seeing as how no one in history has never photographed, video taped, or reported seeing a Demon leads me to believe that they probably dont exist in the first place. But i could be wrong. 2ndly the Bible says nothing about anything about either Aliens/ET's, ExtraDimensional Cratures, Time Travelers or what ever is engaging our planet telling a lie. Im pretty sure if the Bible is as factual they would at least describe Aliens or say that they say they are ET's or from another dimension but the Bible doesnt say that.


Huh? The Bible makes repeated references to inter-dimensional entities who appear or disappear at will.

They are commonly called angels/devils/fallen angels.



posted on Jun, 6 2011 @ 09:55 PM
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Originally posted by NOTurTypical
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Sure. Seeing as how no one in history has never photographed, video taped, or reported seeing a Demon leads me to believe that they probably dont exist in the first place. But i could be wrong. 2ndly the Bible says nothing about anything about either Aliens/ET's, ExtraDimensional Cratures, Time Travelers or what ever is engaging our planet telling a lie. Im pretty sure if the Bible is as factual they would at least describe Aliens or say that they say they are ET's or from another dimension but the Bible doesnt say that.


Huh? The Bible makes repeated references to inter-dimensional entities who appear or disappear at will.

They are commonly called angels/devils/fallen angels.


Im pretty sure ET's would have a cloaking device.....



posted on Jun, 6 2011 @ 09:55 PM
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Ok whatever. Lets not play this game and get back on topic please.


That's more than fine with me, I didn't present dishonesty, you did.

It's important to be precise in a debate/discussion.



posted on Jun, 6 2011 @ 09:56 PM
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Originally posted by NOTurTypical
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It's important to be precise in a debate/discussion.


Ok i'll keep that im mind.



posted on Jun, 6 2011 @ 09:56 PM
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So, Do you believe that not all interdimensional beings are bad?



posted on Jun, 6 2011 @ 09:58 PM
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Im pretty sure ET's would have a cloaking device.....



Angels/fallen angels materialize in any shape they wish in the Bible. Men, serpents, women et cetra.

I could be wrong, but I don't think you've ever studied the Bible. That's fine if you have not, but you can't come here and try to claim what the Bible mentions and doesn't mention.



posted on Jun, 6 2011 @ 09:59 PM
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Originally posted by ObvTruth

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
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It's important to be precise in a debate/discussion.


Ok i'll keep that im mind.


Apology? Or no?




posted on Jun, 6 2011 @ 10:01 PM
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Originally posted by Shepp
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So, Do you believe that not all interdimensional beings are bad?


Of course I do.

All inter-dimensional entities are not fallen angels.

Only 1/3 fell with Lucifer.



posted on Jun, 6 2011 @ 10:07 PM
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Originally posted by NOTurTypical
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Im pretty sure ET's would have a cloaking device.....



Angels/fallen angels materialize in any shape they wish in the Bible. Men, serpents, women et cetra.

I could be wrong, but I don't think you've ever studied the Bible. That's fine if you have not, but you can't come here and try to claim what the Bible mentions and doesn't mention.


So your saying something that is spiritual can manifest its self into orbs flying thousands of miles an hour or into a metalic craft...seems like a fairy tale to me fella.



posted on Jun, 6 2011 @ 10:12 PM
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It's startling, isn't it?

I'm not trying to point fingers because I certainly am no stranger to jumping to conclusions but when you notice a pattern like this, you start to see a lot of things concerning it.

God only knows how many times I have seen it in here. It's weird. Like I said, startling in a way that kind of creeps up on you.

People love to make things fit into place... and they will try and try and try. Even if something doesn't really fit, they will either make it fit or convince themselves it fits and even nothing compares to the feeling of something that fits really good. It's almost like we live for the moment where things will just all fit into place full well knowing that moment will probably never fully arrive in it's entirety. Ever.

People also have terrible curiosities that make them ponder for hours on end about things like aliens even if they have never seen one. Then, someone gets wind they might be angels... and hell, it might be true... but it doesn't matter if it IS true.... if it seems to fit cause boy once it does it's like a train gone off the tracks that you can't stop. asking for the proof is like asking for obamas birth certificate.

If you flat out tell them why you are asking you'll just find yourself right in the middle of their argument where facts can't help you anymore so be careful of that.... but when you try to play it off like... you know, be careful of what flammable liquids you dribble here are there while while you are trying to get your answer... and they just don't seem to take the question very seriously or garner that you are being literal for a reason and disconnect from any real concern with helping you find a real answer.

... and why would you be so literal? Why?

Why can't they just mull right over that and have it blend in like any other conversation?

Here's why.

One day we might be faced with some kind of decision pertaining to this.... and it just might be very important. What if you've gotten it all wrong and the world depends on it? Maybe it doesn't matter at all, but if it matters to anyone at all.... how confirming or attempting to confirm such a negative perspective and not have the understanding that such a statement needs to be based in absolute fact and not hyped with anything.... *anything* that is not rooted in absolute fact and not embellished at all is really very important. What if a very sensitive issue came up and we did have disclosure, but at the same time we had to make decisions on limited facts that could involve innocent people on either side of the spectrum on this.

Here's the thing... somewhere in the back of their mind they know this but something, fear perhaps, drives them to act and voice out on the side of caution for themselves just in case aliens do turn out to be bad because as it stands, that's not hurting anyone because right now, we don't have any real aliens to deal with.

That's not the character I would want to display... in any situation. Dead or alive.

The character I would want to display would be aware that if I ever had to make any kind of very important decisions where actual people were involved that I would not discern anything that could affect their lives based on a nameless statement in a piece of fiction or book of lore or accept hearsay as evidence. I would want to think that I would be in full understanding that even if I was dealing with aliens, if I were dealing with aliens today.... that would be specific people who would have their own identities and that is something that is very important when accusations start flying around. You have to go a long way to prove someones guilt of something even after pointing the finger and it's kinda hard to point the finger at a whole group of people. At least not in free thinking society.

I don't know... It's just that when people go straight to throwing stones it makes you wonder what wonder what else they've shuffled over, thrown under the bus in their lives. There's only too much to consider. If you had to make an important decision where lives on either side were at stake you would be shamed to think that you would ever be done considering or that you could ever rest in certainty... even after the fact. Things can always turn out differently than what they seem and they could have been done a million different ways after it's far too late.
Because of that, how you operate is important and I would be horrified to think that if were ever faced with something so critical where I could not hold that certainty in my hand of being able to foretell the outcome, that I would make any move that is not rooted in fact but would cowardly grasp at erring on the side of caution to save my own ass.

I pray that I would find more bravery in myself should anything like this come up in whatever form.



posted on Jun, 6 2011 @ 10:14 PM
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Angels can materialize as light, Lucifer is an angel of light. Well, a cherub of light is more accurate. If the craft are inter-dimensional they would have to have some mechanism that would allow them to shift between dimensions.

And their aerial acrobatics is what leads Friedman and Hynak to conclude they are inter-dimensional entities and not extraterrestrial.



posted on Jun, 6 2011 @ 10:18 PM
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Originally posted by ObvTruth

Originally posted by chloe4412

Originally posted by ObvTruth
I have had an interest in Extraterrestrial since i was a kid and im pretty much sure that they are from another planet/star system/dimension but i just dont see any real evidence that supports the theory that they are Messagers Of Deception and that they are Demons. So please bring clear evidence of an demonic possession due to Aliens or anything that is demonic and could be caused by aliens.


Why would you put this under Religion if you don't want to hear anybody talk about religion in regards to Aliens?

And, can you PROVE aliens are not demons? Prove it, you believe it to be true prove it. Tell me some alien abduction cases which were loving? Just a few.


The reason i put it here is because i wanted to talk with Religious people about this. If i put this in the Alien category everyone would be agreeing with me and that its utter BS. I actually want to debate here.


Sure. Seeing as how no one in history has never photographed, video taped, or reported seeing a Demon leads me to believe that they probably dont exist in the first place. But i could be wrong. 2ndly the Bible says nothing about anything about either Aliens/ET's, ExtraDimensional Cratures, Time Travelers or what ever is engaging our planet telling a lie. Im pretty sure if the Bible is as factual they would at least describe Aliens or say that they say they are ET's or from another dimension but the Bible doesnt say that.

Though most abductions are for medical reasons, some of the abductees say that the Aliens show them the future of our race based on our decision. Weither this is fact or not has yet to be proven. But none of it screams Demonic at all.


Wow.
Rude much...You still have not answered my question. Can you PROVE Aliens are not demons????

What is demon behaviour to you? I don't know maybe rectal probing is nice. Taking women's fetuses at 3 month gestation is nice too. Cattle mutilations and human mutilations Oh yeah I'm feelin the Love. So, Prove it????

They show us the future of our race? What case??? HMMM !!!!! What do they show us Pray tell.

Aliens are here, yes, I agree. Some of them are ours.

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posted on Jun, 6 2011 @ 10:20 PM
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Originally posted by NOTurTypical
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Angels can materialize as light, Lucifer is an angel of light. Well, a cherub of light is more accurate. If the craft are inter-dimensional they would have to have some mechanism that would allow them to shift between dimensions.

And their aerial acrobatics is what leads Friedman and Hynak to conclude they are inter-dimensional entities and not extraterrestrial.


And this is proven where?

How can acrobatics lead someone to conclude that something is from another Dimension? Why cant they be just advanced?



posted on Jun, 6 2011 @ 10:26 PM
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And this is proven where?


Where are your conjectures "proven"? Are you expecting me to provide proof for my conjectures but expect us all to take you at your word? That's the fallacy of "Special Pleading".



How can acrobatics lead someone to conclude that something is from another Dimension? Why cant they be just advanced?


Their movements defy laws of physics, right angle turns at thousands of miles per hour as an example. And secondly, I'd expect that angels/fallen angels WOULD BE absurdly more advanced than we are.



posted on Jun, 6 2011 @ 10:26 PM
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I respect your opinion as you clearly have put a lot of thought & your own time & research into trying to find an answer to this all.

I have to disagree with the notion ETs have ever come into contact with this Earth. What is the gap in our evolution?
The answer I think is in ourselves. All you have to do is look at how amazing & unique the Universe is. We humans are a product of a very specific design, being made up to the EXACT number of cells, blood cells, chromosomes, etc. If ONE tiny thing were out of place in our inner body, then the rest wouldn't work.

The idea of Aliens being Demon entities, is difficult to comprehend normally, since there isn't REAL evidence of Aliens or Demons.

My personal belief is I tend to agree with The Deception Project (part 1-8 at least). There's an Alien Agenda being set across the world, prepping us mentally for "inevitable" invasion from ETs (which will be a hoax, pushing us into the NWO). I believe that there WAS a Great Flood which wiped out an Ancient Civilization...& this civilization was able to obtain knowledge that made them advanced...Hence the Pyramids spread all around the world.
Now, I'm NOT denying Alien existance..Just that, if they were here before, now or in the future, we would know categorically about them. Of all "reports" of flying saucers, metallic UFO's etc..If ANY of them were real, why wouldn't the ETs choose to hover around clearly for people to see & not actually make contact? Just seems odd to me, advanced alien races travelling light years to just hover around..

I watched a Documentary recently on National Geographic (or History Chan) on Pyramids around the world. In this documentary, they were trying to put through an idea that pyramids were built by ETs, because of the size, but also the advanced technicality of stone cutting & how sharp & precise every stone was cut (from Pyramids of Giza to Machu Pichu). Although possible, the idea just didn't seem to stick.



posted on Jun, 6 2011 @ 10:38 PM
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Originally posted by NOTurTypical
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And this is proven where?


Where are your conjectures "proven"? Are you expecting me to provide proof for my conjectures but expect us all to take you at your word? That's the fallacy of "Special Pleading".



How can acrobatics lead someone to conclude that something is from another Dimension? Why cant they be just advanced?


Their movements defy laws of physics, right angle turns at thousands of miles per hour as an example. And secondly, I'd expect that angels/fallen angels WOULD BE absurdly more advanced than we are.


So a civilization with thousand or millions head starts wouldnt know how to defy physics?



posted on Jun, 6 2011 @ 10:47 PM
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So a civilization with thousand or millions head starts wouldnt know how to defy physics?



Don't the angels have that kind of head start? The Bible says they sung for joy when God created the heaven and the Earth.



posted on Jun, 6 2011 @ 10:51 PM
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Originally posted by NOTurTypical
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So a civilization with thousand or millions head starts wouldnt know how to defy physics?



Don't the angels have that kind of head start? The Bible says they sung for joy when God created the heaven and the Earth.


Sure. But according to the Bible the Earth is 6000 years old, Sighting of UFOs go back to 29,000 years ago.....And evolution rapes that idea aslo.Lol




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