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posted on Jun, 8 2011 @ 01:33 AM
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reply to post by Janky Red
 


because its bull crap for people to be paying over half their incomes in taxes
between state and federal

someone earning

100k is paying 50k in taxes
200k is paying 100k in taxes
500k is paying 250k in taxes
1 million 500k in taxes
5 million 2,5 million in taxes
10 million 5 million in taxes
20 million 10 million in taxes.

and so forth.

that is not right in my book honest to those who condone taking even more from them has my contempt.

like i said on here before its ok to take from someone else but when anyone tries to take from you people oh hell no you don't

thats the real hypocrisy in this thread.
edit on 8-6-2011 by neo96 because: (no reason given)




posted on Jun, 8 2011 @ 01:35 AM
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Using your own words you can prove my point for me:


Originally posted by neo96
how do the rich create jobs?

...his product needs people...then that product needs transportation...retail outlets that need people...


Demand creates jobs, not wealth alone. Simply giving Bill Gates an extra $50 million does NOT mean he's just going to hire an extra hundred thousand people, because he doesn't need to. He'll just pocket the money or invest his wealth onto Wall St. and make himself more money.

Corporate profits are way up all over the country. Jobs are barely trickling in. Wealth does not create employment.

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Wait what? No one in this country pays 50% of their paycheck in taxes...if you are and you make that much money you need to hire an accountant, because you're an idiot.
edit on 8-6-2011 by links234 because: I had to respond.



posted on Jun, 8 2011 @ 09:57 AM
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oh and those people who say push more taxes off to someone else isnt greedy? yeah yeah tax whoever and whatever not me man thats garbage

Well that's the way it works in a civilized society. We must "give a little of ourselves to benefit the whole"! You may call that socialism or communism, but I call it inevitable. We all pay taxes, yet it is not the man making $50k a year that has tax loopholes to hide his money from the tax man. The rich do not pay more in taxes, percentage wise, than the middle class individual. By the way, Reagan knew this and that is why he saw such large budget shortfalls, so he raised taxes!



if your a special interest you get out of them and others dont.

The Rich are a special interest in America Neo! Don't you know that?




the constitution has many protections for property rights ie money and that no persons right superceeds any other person or groups rights.

You're right Neo, the Constitution did set out protections.....against corporations to prevent the "redistribution of wealth" to the rich! The Corporation was only supposed to be able to exist under strict guidelines and had to prove that they existed for the benefit of the people of the community. With deregulation, the corporate interest's have now become so entrenched that they now have the same rights as the individual! The founding fathers knew the perils of unregulated capitolism.......and now we are living it!




that means you can not take from me to give to yourself or someone else because all rights in this country are equal
Wrong! All rights are not equal. The rich are able to use their wealth to manipulate the legal/tax system to their benefit. If they don't pay their taxes, they get a slap on the hand a small fine. If I don't pay I get a hefty fine and my liscence taken away!




because its bull crap for people to be paying over half their incomes in taxes
I'd like to see you prove that they pay half of their income to taxes!
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posted on Jun, 8 2011 @ 03:38 PM
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I am not pro-rich people. I am pro-people. It makes no sense to be forced to give up a portion of ones income to the most corrupt and dangerous corporation (called the US government) in the entire world and the entire history of mankind.

Simply, I do not believe violence can solve social problems without creating others and governments are founded on violence.

@links



Demand creates jobs, not wealth alone.


So you are saying wealth does create jobs..... just not exclusively. Demand does create jobs as does wealth. However, do not make the conclusion that demand can be created by a hierarchal "think tanks"
in the government. They fail at this and their record proves it.



Wealth does not create employment.


Wait.... what?!

You just contradicted yourself.



Wait what?


I know right.



if you are and you make that much money you need to hire an accountant, because you're an idiot.


Pot/kettle

@sheepslayer



The founding fathers knew the perils of unregulated capitolism.......and now we are living it!


There is no such thing as unregulated capitalism in existence in any country in the world. The regulation exists for the benefit of those who are in power (both private and public officials).



Wrong! All rights are not equal. The rich are able to use their wealth to manipulate the legal/tax system to their benefit.


Exactly..... but giving them more power is not the way to help.

The government, given the power to regulate, is a corrupt organization by the very fact that the government is made up of people.

There are two social classes that actually matter.... I explain it in detail here

1. Individuals: you, me, and most people. I don't make my living off of taxation or political power.

2. The Political Class. These are the corporations (they only exist because of the state), bankers, politicians, bureaucrats, and anyone that uses the force behind a government to sustain themselves.



posted on Jun, 12 2011 @ 01:46 AM
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I was so stunned by your ignorance on the conversation I couldn't bring myself to reply in a timely manner.

Simply giving rich people more money isn't going to create more jobs. That's the point, how you don't understand that I'm not sure. I don't know what number of graphs, facts and studies would have to be done to assuredly infiltrate your skull with this knowledge.

You've blinded yourself with your utopian ideals, for that I'm sorry. The point remains, however, that giving the top 1% of earners more money isn't helping anyone else but them. An ideal that is completely contradictory to the concept of 'people' and focusing specifically on 'persons'.



posted on Jun, 19 2011 @ 11:09 AM
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I was so stunned by your ignorance on the conversation I couldn't bring myself to reply in a timely manner.


You blatantly contradicted yourself as well as fail to carefully read my post.

To quote myself "Demand does create jobs as does wealth".



Simply giving rich people more money isn't going to create more jobs. That's the point, how you don't understand that I'm not sure.


First off, I said nothing about giving anyone anything. Secondly, I clearly agreed with your first point of wealth not being a solitary factor in job creation just before I disagreed with your saying that wealth does not create jobs. Demand for a product that no one has the capital to make is not a job creator. Wealth to create a product that no one wants is not a job creator. It takes both.



I don't know what number of graphs, facts and studies would have to be done to assuredly infiltrate your skull with this knowledge.


The straw man is down. The straw man is down!



You've blinded yourself with your utopian ideals, for that I'm sorry.


So I am Utopian because I assume that men and women in government power are just as corruptible as those not. It sounds to me that someone who believes in the purity of government is more irrational than those who do not.



The point remains, however, that giving the top 1% of earners more money isn't helping anyone else but them.


Saying "the point remains" does not make a point valid.

A host of graphs and mathematics explaining economics which has been consistantly proven false in reality does not hold water in an argument. Keynes was wrong. The only reason he is taught in the universities is because his policies benefit the private and public political class.

I would even go as far as to say that Marx was more correct than Keynes. At least Marx wasn't advocating war and human suffering as a means to raise demand.



Again, I am not advocating giving rich people money. I don't believe in bailing out bad banks or car companies. I do not believe in corporate welfare. I am advocating not stealing money from people so that they can use their own gains as they see fit, whether it be charitable or for profit.

I am also advocating a removal of corporation status. A corporation as a private entity, given special rights by the government, is a moral hazard. People have rights, not corporations. Corporations lead to the wealthy 'movers and shakers' to align with the powerful legislators and politicians who control regulation, policing. and try to micromanage our lives. Tyranny is public/private collusion.



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