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Wikileaks: no bloodshed inside Tiananmen Square, cables claim

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posted on Jun, 5 2011 @ 12:34 AM
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Originally posted by Seiko
Then show me tank man. Seriously if they want us to swallow this tripe, produce us the tank man.

I just love revisionist history.






Oh that tank? well that was right on Cue for the camera's dont you think so? and after protest that was over with that image became the symbol in all of our western history class




I just love revisionist history.


theres that revisionist stuff again


by the way your link is broken.


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posted on Jun, 5 2011 @ 01:17 AM
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It took forever to get added to a foe list. Having known you for a time on these boards I am honoured.



No idea why the video links seem to not be working.

He's dead, when all the worlds a stage, even the actors die when the curtain falls.



posted on Jun, 5 2011 @ 01:53 AM
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Indeed. The tank guy was but a fleeting glimpse in human history, yet still powerful enough to be a worthy memory.

However, the reason why I posted this article is because I've been kinda studying life in China recently. Honestly, the whole common Western perception of China is about as misguided and ignorant as it is towards Russia (and I bet both Russians and Chinese think the same about the West).

But the thing that I've noticed is that the Chinese are all very ideological and disciplined with tradition. Tiananmen Square is like, the most important cultural site of modern China. I have little doubt that there was violence elsewhere, but these Chinese rebels were political-oriented, NOT the anarchy type rebels like we have in the west. In all honesty, I think neither the protesters or government wanted blood on such an important site.



posted on Jun, 5 2011 @ 02:03 AM
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you people have converted me wikileaks is telling the truth!!!



posted on Jun, 5 2011 @ 04:55 AM
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I find it strange that the western media never really mentioned that soldiers that were killed on that day. Some of them were mutilated, burned and hanged. You see, im not saying that no students were shot and killed, but people have to realise that it wasn't just students, it was also soldiers who were murdered.

The western media of course would show China in the worst light possible. I mean, they brainwash their children to believe that Communism is evil. All primitive talk in my eyes. Governments from around the world have alot to answer for.



posted on Jun, 5 2011 @ 04:59 AM
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so finally the western propaganda media admits that it lied about china and its a bunch of corporate bs .

the third world always knew what a monster the West is , but alas they had no voice



posted on Jun, 5 2011 @ 05:07 AM
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some half wits on this board would believe anything if they felt they could attack "western media" (which has good and bad aspects) even to the point of disbelieving that the one party communist state did not massacre their own civilians- I suppose Mao's cultural revolution never happened a few decades before and communists did not massacre people then either.


Utter clowns



posted on Jun, 5 2011 @ 05:08 AM
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Originally posted by Jay-morris
I find it strange that the western media never really mentioned that soldiers that were killed on that day. Some of them were mutilated, burned and hanged. You see, im not saying that no students were shot and killed, but people have to realise that it wasn't just students, it was also soldiers who were murdered.

The western media of course would show China in the worst light possible. I mean, they brainwash their children to believe that Communism is evil. All primitive talk in my eyes. Governments from around the world have alot to answer for.


communist apologists have a lot to answer for you mean



posted on Jun, 5 2011 @ 05:09 AM
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Wikileaks (including Julian Assange) are high-level psyops devised to spin half truths and lies. They will put up dead-convincing acts by all means to prove they're for the cause of alternative media revolution.

Those idiots at Wikileaks should drop dead as they're nothing but worst than animals tools of politics and elites.



posted on Jun, 5 2011 @ 05:29 AM
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Originally posted by wisdomnotemotion
Wikileaks (including Julian Assange) are high-level psyops devised to spin half truths and lies. They will put up dead-convincing acts by all means to prove they're for the cause of alternative media revolution.

Those idiots at Wikileaks should drop dead as they're nothing but worst than animals tools of politics and elites.


If WL are psycops as you are suggesting you need to ask yourself for what ends. What do the Western Powers get out from saying that there was no bloodshed in Tiananmen Square. On a side issue I can see what Western Powers get from demonising the Chinesse Government and military operations. The good old government needs to protect us from the big bad chinese dragon...
I am not saying that bloodshed was not spilt it just seems to make more sense this way round. WL have been in existance long before the American mega leaks and noone thought they were pysops then, no you hadnt even heard of them... I have seen the mainstream media first hand misreporting stories, it is not uncommon. I already know they are being used for pyscops..
The WL cable seemed to be from an individual, regardless if bloodshed was spilt or not, maybe that is what he saw from his perception...



posted on Jun, 5 2011 @ 05:34 AM
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Originally posted by blueorder
some half wits on this board would believe anything if they felt they could attack "western media" (which has good and bad aspects) even to the point of disbelieving that the one party communist state did not massacre their own civilians- I suppose Mao's cultural revolution never happened a few decades before and communists did not massacre people then either.
Utter clowns


Sorry, i can't take you seriously because of the other thread where you were trying to put down china with the propaganda you most prob read online


Im not saying the cultural revolution never happened, and im not saying that tianamen square never happened. I am saying i find it strange that the western media did not really talk about the students killing the soldiers. They did not just kill them, they burned and hanged them.

I debated with you on the other thread, oh, and you vanished from that thread when you could not answer me, so i guess you will do the same on this thread



posted on Jun, 5 2011 @ 05:36 AM
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communist apologists have a lot to answer for you mean



LOL
Governments little pet. You must be proud! lol



posted on Jun, 5 2011 @ 05:42 AM
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Originally posted by Jay-morris
reply to post by blueorder
 





communist apologists have a lot to answer for you mean



LOL
Governments little pet. You must be proud! lol


LOL how little you know, you need to expand your thinking and stop working in cliches, this govt is not my govt.


Bad assumption mr communist lover, you are the real govt pet, perfect communist lackey, loves controls



posted on Jun, 5 2011 @ 05:44 AM
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Originally posted by Jay-morris


Sorry, i can't take you seriously because of the other thread where you were trying to put down china with the propaganda you most prob read online





Yeah, you are everywhere in the world, you are omnipresent and are superman, move along




Im not saying the cultural revolution never happened,


big of you



and im not saying that tianamen square never happened. I am saying i find it strange that the western media did not really talk about the students killing the soldiers. They did not just kill them, they burned and hanged them.



Be a good chap and link us to this information- though communist soldiers in a one party state deserve to be attacked





I debated with you on the other thread, oh, and you vanished from that thread when you could not answer me, so i guess you will do the same on this thread



You are very fond of yourself, I am sorry to have stood you up but, don't take it personally, I did not even know you were waiting on me for something- sorry chum, you are very important to me, I will make it my aim to put you first from now on!



posted on Jun, 5 2011 @ 08:00 AM
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LOL how little you know, you need to expand your thinking and stop working in cliches, this govt is not my govt.



And who is your government? Do you believe they are perfect and can do know wrong? Or do you believe its only communist countries that are evil, just because your government tells you so?




Bad assumption mr communist lover, you are the real govt pet, perfect communist lackey, loves controls



Please tell me where i said i was a communist lover. In fact, i don't like most governments, i don't care if they are communist or not. The difference between me and you is i can make my own mind up, and don't need to fall for government BS and propaganda.




Yeah, you are everywhere in the world, you are omnipresent and are superman, move along



Er, you came onto another thread and posted BS about China. I put you right, and then you vanished from the thread. Like i said to you before. Have you been to China? have you lived in China? have you travelled China? Well, i have and i am not saying they are perfect, as no country is. But when someone comes online and starts slagging China off, basically with informatoin they have heard online, then i will question you, like i did in the other thread.




big of you


Its not big of me. I have not once stated that China is perfect. Please tell me if i have posted saying china is perfect?




Be a good chap and link us to this information- though communist soldiers in a one party state deserve to be attacked



See, this is what bugs me. Do you know how to google, or do you let all theis information come to you? No wonder youdon't have a clue


From wiki



As word spread that hundreds of thousands of troops were approaching from all four corners of the city, Beijingers flooded the streets to block them, as they had done two weeks earlier. People set up barricades at every major intersection. At about 10:30 pm, near the Muxidi apartment buildings (home to high-level Party officials and their families), protesters threw rocks and Molotov cocktails at police and army vehicles. As can be seen in numerous photographs many vehicles were set on fire in the streets all around Tiananmen some with their occupants still inside them. There were reports of soldiers being burned alive in their armoured personnel carriers while others were beaten to death. Then the soldiers started firing live ammunition at some of the protesters. Some people in nearby apartment blocks were hit


Now, there are plenty of links that tell you the same. Now, i am not saying that because the students done this, then they deserved to get shot. I am only stating the fact that some of the students were pretty brutal too. It just bugs me that people don't seem to mention this.




You are very fond of yourself, I am sorry to have stood you up but, don't take it personally, I did not even know you were waiting on me for something- sorry chum, you are very important to me, I will make it my aim to put you first from now on!




You will do exactly the same in this thread as you did in the other. Was it you that thought there are only some western people in China lol Shows how much you really know. But as long as you keep on sucking up to your government (like they want you too) then you will always believe the BS the media feeds you.



posted on Jun, 5 2011 @ 09:05 AM
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Originally posted by Jay-morris
And who is your government? Do you believe they are perfect and can do know wrong? Or do you believe its only communist countries that are evil, just because your government tells you so?


UK govt, I despise them, just as I did the last batch- so again, your presumptions are incorrect



Please tell me where i said i was a communist lover. In fact, i don't like most governments, i don't care if they are communist or not. The difference between me and you is i can make my own mind up, and don't need to fall for government BS and propaganda.



Again you continue with this nonsense about me "falling" for govt bs, I have said several times I do not listen to the govt, when did you develop such tunnel vision?



Er, you came onto another thread and posted BS about China. I put you right, and then you vanished from the thread. Like i said to you before. Have you been to China? have you lived in China? have you travelled China? Well, i have and i am not saying they are perfect, as no country is. But when someone comes online and starts slagging China off, basically with informatoin they have heard online, then i will question you, like i did in the other thread.



you didn't put me right- I said no nation is perfect but ours is better than a one party communist state where there is no free judiciary and media and where the mass of the population live on a pittance- so for sure UK has issues, not least ofwhich is the social problems inflicted by decades of liberal/left traitors, but even though one can acknowledge no pefection, one can clearly see better and worse. Your one weird opinion is outweighed by a plethora of evidence, including the Chinese lady who goes to my parent group who is much happier in the UK- are there people from the UK seeking asylum in China (no) and are there people from China seeking asylum in the UK (yes)- so regardless ofwhatever personal issues you have the facts are overwhelming that whilst we are not perfect we have a much better set up than the one party communist Chinese state
big of you






See, this is what bugs me. Do you know how to google, or do you let all theis information come to you? No wonder youdon't have a clue




You really are fond of yourself, too funny


As word spread that hundreds of thousands of troops were approaching from all four corners of the city, Beijingers flooded the streets to block them, as they had done two weeks earlier. People set up barricades at every major intersection. At about 10:30 pm, near the Muxidi apartment buildings (home to high-level Party officials and their families), protesters threw rocks and Molotov cocktails at police and army vehicles. As can be seen in numerous photographs many vehicles were set on fire in the streets all around Tiananmen some with their occupants still inside them. There were reports of soldiers being burned alive in their armoured personnel carriers while others were beaten to death. Then the soldiers started firing live ammunition at some of the protesters. Some people in nearby apartment blocks were hit
Now, there are plenty of links that tell you the same. Now, i am not saying that because the students done this, then they deserved to get shot. I am only stating the fact that some of the students were pretty brutal too. It just bugs me that people don't seem to mention this.



so a wiki report that says "there were reports" is you contribution to the issue YOU brought, yes, excellent backing up, and I see you also contend that soldiers were killed (if they were indeed killed), FIRST, speaks volumes about your totalitarian leanings



You will do exactly the same in this thread as you did in the other. Was it you that thought there are only some western people in China lol Shows how much you really know. But as long as you keep on sucking up to your government (like they want you too) then you will always believe the BS the media feeds you.


there you go with your worn out cliches lol, "media fed" hahaha you know nothing- yes all those western kids, millions of them in ghettos seeking asylum.





posted on Jun, 5 2011 @ 09:08 AM
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I too was listening shortwave radio back in 1989. Radio Beijing used to broadcast in German twice a week for an hour or so. I looked up, if I still got notes from that time. Here is a transcription of one of their news shows:

Radio Bejing on July 8th 1989 (originally broadcasted via shortwave in German – [?] marks words, which could not be understood) The beginning is missing, so it starts inmidst of a sentence:

"... these riots, where he said the recent statements of the world are different. There were people who openly condemned our control, and had demanded to impose sanctions against us. [? Pien Mu] is empowered to make two points:
1. Don’t fear China! Whatever means you may use or try to interfere in the internal affairs of China. This could not be tolerated by the government and the Chinese people.
2. China hopes that the world public, politicians and other governments should not be too short-sighted, but would like to represent far-sighted views.
The party and government of China had integrity capabilities, measures and [?] to overcome the current difficulties. As the command of the military unit for emergency reported, yesterday morning soldiers of a unit [?] where fired on from a diplomatic apartement when they marched in from the east to west near the flyover [chun ijun queung?] south of the road. There was one dead and three wounded. The soldiers were forced to shoot back. They had surrounded the diplomats and other apartment buildings for a while and then quickly withdrawn.
The command called for both in Beijing, Chinese and foreigners, all of the adopted regulations must be strictly observed. Only then the forces would guarantee their security.
How Voice Of America and UPI reported yesterday, the nuclear physicist [Fa Li Che?] asked the U.S. Embassy in China for asylum on Monday, but not for political asylum. That was announced by the White House spokesman, Fitzwater, to the press yesterday.
An official in Beijing said, in recent years [Fa Li Che?] has made statements to reporters of the United States and other countries against the socialist system, the Communist Party of China and the Chinese government. Under these circumstances, the American Embassy protecting [Fa Li Che?] means an interference in the internal affairs of China.
Because of the counter-revolutionary riots that erupted in the early hours of Sunday morning the public transport system in Beijing was paralyzed. But from Wednesday on, it was revived by and by. As was reported, the barricades built by the counter-revolutionary bandits and [?] several hundred cars were cleaned up for the most part. The subway was put back into service. 84% of the traffic police are back to work at their posts. The three days of intermittent postal connections in Beijing have been restored on Wednesday again ."...

So this was, how China officially described the situation to the rest of the world. Interesting to compare it with the cables.
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posted on Jun, 5 2011 @ 10:07 AM
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UK govt, I despise them, just as I did the last batch- so again, your presumptions are incorrect



I asked you a question, i did not say that this is how you felt. There is a difference!




Again you continue with this nonsense about me "falling" for govt bs, I have said several times I do not listen to the govt, when did you develop such tunnel vision?


Clearly you have a thing about communist. They are as bad as eachother. Some countries who have never touched communism have done truely terrible things and still are doing terrible things. It does not matter if its communism or not, its the people in charge that make these desicions.

It was you who believed that not many westerners go to china to live. It was you who said that most of the population was in poverty, both of these is a load of rubbish. Where did you get this information from? While there is poverty in China, its not as bad as you make out.




you didn't put me right- I said no nation is perfect but ours is better than a one party communist state where there is no free judiciary and media and where the mass of the population live on a pittance- so for sure UK has issues, not least ofwhich is the social problems inflicted by decades of liberal/left traitors, but even though one can acknowledge no pefection, one can clearly see better and worse.


Why is it better than a one party communist state? Sure as hell has done china no hard when it comes to their ecomony. We are talking about a country that will be the next super power, no doubt about it. And they have done this without having to take militery action on small middle east countries.

Obviosly, you don't know much about China's history. Look where China was 30 years ago, to where they are now. There has been a huge improvement. Yes, they need to improve some more, but its the uk that is in all this dept, that has a huge problem with crime, has a huge anti social behaviour problem.

So, what country is look the better, China or UK? all all this as a communist state. Other countries, esp usa have brainwashed people into thinking that communist states are evil. But its the people in charge, wheather its communist or not.

We and America are not communist states, but we have done some truely horrible things in the last 10 years or so. Invading the middle east is one of them. Do you know how many people dies in the iraq war? I guess we done it to free the irag people! lol what such good people we are!




Your one weird opinion is outweighed by a plethora of evidence, including the Chinese lady who goes to my parent group who is much happier in the UK


So, because this one chinese person is happier in the uk, that means all Chinese people are happeir in the uk. I guess you know my wife is more happier in the uk?




are there people from the UK seeking asylum in China (no) and are there people from China seeking asylum in the UK (yes)-


People from the uk are not seeking asylum in China. They go to china because they want too. They go there, get jobs and have children in China. Because they want too!

Of course many people want to come to the uk from outside. Its easy to live in the uk. If you don't work, you get everything paid for you. Its alot easier to live in the uk than most countries, because we are so soft, simple as that.




so regardless ofwhatever personal issues you have the facts are overwhelming that whilst we are not perfect we have a much better set up than the one party communist Chinese state
big of you



What a load of rubbish! This country is falling apart, and has been for a long time. Not to mention the huge depts that we have. You might think its ok for our parties to make a habbit of just disagreeing with eachother. You might think its a way forward. Well, thats up to you.

Like i said before, China is not perfect, and they have done some truely bad things. But other countires who are not communist are doing truely horrible stuff too.

When are you going to figure out that its the people in charge, no matter how the country is run.




so a wiki report that says "there were reports" is you contribution to the issue YOU brought, yes, excellent backing up, and I see you also contend that soldiers were killed (if they were indeed killed), FIRST, speaks volumes about your totalitarian leanings



Lol why don't you go and look yourself. It is common knowledge that the soldier were attacked. Not just attacked but burnt and hanged up. Why don't you look more into Tiananmen Square Massacre before you preach the crap you recieved from the media outside of China. But no matter what you read, you will not believe it because the Chinese governments are evil!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




there you go with your worn out cliches lol, "media fed" hahaha you know nothing- yes all those western kids, millions of them in ghettos seeking asylum.


Im glad that other people on this thread will see how much crap you write. You have not been to China, but you said that there are only some westerners in China. Please tell me how you came to this conclusion. I would really love to know.



posted on Jun, 5 2011 @ 10:28 AM
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Originally posted by alfa1

So more than likely, perhaps the MSM just use "the Tiananmen square massacre" as a shorthand way of referring to the events, perhaps not realising themselves that the bloodshed wasnt actually in the square itself.
Its a sexier term than "the streets to the west of Tiananmen square and adjacent areas massacre.".



Just like the "Shootout at that OK Carraol" sounds better than "the streets near the OK Carraol and adjacent areas shootout.".
But why try to do a cover story on this 22 years after the fact? What are they up to?



posted on Jun, 5 2011 @ 10:39 AM
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People argue too much.

Communists / murderers and liars trying to establish or maintain their empires.
Capitalists / murderers and liars trying to establish or maintain their empires.
Socialists / murderers and liars trying to establish or maintain their empires.

Anyone see the common denominator?

There is no way to avoid arrogance and ignorance in this world, so it is best kept in check by small government.


Many Tribes, but One Body, of Mankind.



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