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Originally posted by vjr1113
reply to post by RealTruthSeeker
the burden of proof is on you. the bible is false until you can show us your religion is the correct one. btw you may want to talk to the jews before you talk to atheists.
All debate aside, I'm really a nice guy and don't have anything against anyone, we are all free to believe as we wish. I'm just a little more aggressive than others.
Now back to the matter at hand.
I just think it's funny how people are putting in so much effort to try and debunk the Bible. And I still haven't seen any solid evidence that literally would put such a book at the back of the shelf.edit on 17-7-2011 by RealTruthSeeker because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by RealTruthSeeker
Originally posted by bogomil
The important thing is to distinguish this from the standard science/logic procedure, so no confusion arises on which method is used.
That's the problem, you can't put your bias aside and read it for what it truly says. You've already made your mind up that it is flawed, so because of that you will never understand what is being said.
Originally posted by Cogito, Ergo Sum
All debate aside, I'm really a nice guy and don't have anything against anyone, we are all free to believe as we wish. I'm just a little more aggressive than others.
Now back to the matter at hand.
I just think it's funny how people are putting in so much effort to try and debunk the Bible. And I still haven't seen any solid evidence that literally would put such a book at the back of the shelf.edit on 17-7-2011 by RealTruthSeeker because: (no reason given)
Your professed beliefs are something I have little time for. You personally, on the other hand I don't doubt are anything other than a nice fellow.
You will never see any evidence to contradict the bible because you believe it to be divine and infallible. I know people who are sure aliens will soon pick them up and take them to Ganymede before Armageddon (seriously). It would be easy to say "nutter", yet they are also nice intelligent people with university degrees, successful business etc. They also have strong belief in a divine infallible doctrine.
I don't take God as seriously as he takes himself. He isn't even real for starters. At least the common mythical one, as portrayed, isn't.
edit on 17-7-2011 by Cogito, Ergo Sum because: for the heck of it
Originally posted by RealTruthSeeker
Originally posted by vjr1113
reply to post by RealTruthSeeker
the burden of proof is on you. the bible is false until you can show us your religion is the correct one. btw you may want to talk to the jews before you talk to atheists.
Correction, the burden of proof is on you. Atheists are the ones claiming they have evidence that destroys 1,000's of years of belief, yet they still haven't produce anything to back up their claim.
Keep in mind that atheists have had just as long as theists to try and prove that God does or doesn't exist. In all that time atheist have only be able attract a very small group so what does that tell you?edit on 17-7-2011 by RealTruthSeeker because: (no reason given)
You wrote (on the regression-argument)
["Because if you read up on "energy - mass" that is the conclusion you will get."]
No, that's not the issue. Logic is (ofcourse as in formal logic. Not any home-cooked version). A regression-argument is a chain of logic, not what specific details it's about. Science and logic are not identical, they compliment each other, though sometimes being dual parts of the same 'tool'. E.g. mathematics.
Apparantly the wave/particle phenomenon also exists beyond present possible observation.
Originally posted by vjr1113
reply to post by RealTruthSeeker
ok guy, lets say that there is a god. ill give it to you, there is a god.
WHOSE GOD?
not everyone's god is the same.
christians cant even make up their minds about the bible, that's why there is so many denominations.
atheists are 0. theists are +1.(there is something, in this case a god)
why should we believe you? out of all the religions and gods out there, why is your religion which has only been around for 2000 years max, the correct one?
Originally posted by bogomil
Originally posted by RealTruthSeeker
Originally posted by vjr1113
reply to post by RealTruthSeeker
the burden of proof is on you. the bible is false until you can show us your religion is the correct one. btw you may want to talk to the jews before you talk to atheists.
Correction, the burden of proof is on you. Atheists are the ones claiming they have evidence that destroys 1,000's of years of belief, yet they still haven't produce anything to back up their claim.
Keep in mind that atheists have had just as long as theists to try and prove that God does or doesn't exist. In all that time atheist have only be able attract a very small group so what does that tell you?edit on 17-7-2011 by RealTruthSeeker because: (no reason given)
You are ofcourse again referring to YOUR version of logic. Not to the 'official' one, which actually WOULD place the burden of truth on you. But I won't bother you with the details, as you seem to be satisfied with your own method. I'm not here to convert you.
Don't you think it would be better to say that you don't believe instead of saying He's not real? After all, you can't prove that statement.
I'll have to agree with you on the Alien thing, I know alot of those who claim to be christian giving into these deceptions.
Originally posted by Tiger5
reply to post by randyvs
As a matter of fact many scientists believe in God and have their own religions.
Originally posted by Tiger5
reply to post by randyvs
As a matter of fact many scientists believe in God and have their own religions. Having a religion does not prevent sensible scientits from writing good papers. On the delireous atheists are going fundamental on the whole idea of god. Why engage with the Atheist's posturings?edit on 17-7-2011 by Tiger5 because: damn apostrophe (tadpole)
Originally posted by vjr1113
reply to post by RealTruthSeeker
no one should care for your reasons or anyone's reason. you shouldn't care for anyone's reason.
if truth came down to personal experience, everyone would be right.
im pretty sure jews and muslims have the same reasons you do. so why would personal experiences matter?
they dont.
Originally posted by bogomil
reply to post by RealTruthSeeker
You wrote (on 'official' logic):
["And where can I find the so-called "official one"?"]
Wiki has an excellent little article on inductive (and deductive) logic. I can find it for you, if you can't find it yourself (no offence, it's genuine offer of help, not patronizing).
Originally posted by Cogito, Ergo Sum
Though I do have more to prove his non existence than believers have of his existence.