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Originally posted by randyvs
Originally posted by bogomil
Originally posted by randyvs
reply to post by bogomil
From Brahma, Shiva and Vishnu ofcourse. Where else?
Evidence ?
Not in this case. I tried my hand at your method. It's called humour amongst non-believers; you are maybe familiar with the concept?
But if you're interested, it's not difficult to demonstrate, that this variety of a theist 'answer' has a higher reality-probability than yours. You just have to re-read the science-oriented part of this thread, and when you have understood it, I will return with further information.edit on 12-7-2011 by bogomil because: punctuation, syntax
So more trolling then. I thought so.
Originally posted by RealTruthSeeker
Originally posted by Cogito, Ergo Sum
Originally posted by randyvs
reply to post by Cogito, Ergo Sum
Where did everything come from then ? If God didn't make it?
I don't know.
The fact that you claim to know, without allowing any possibility that you could be mistaken is something nobody else should take seriously.
And what evidence can you produce to prove what he is saying is false? I guess everything you say is fact, despite not having the answer. If you don't have the answer yourself how can you say someone is wrong? And don't give me that you don't have to prove anything crap because as I said before, that is the biggest fallacy of all time.edit on 12-7-2011 by RealTruthSeeker because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Shadow Herder
Originally posted by Cogito, Ergo Sum
Now, where are your verifiable claims to God's existence that would make my stance unfounded or unreasonable.? I feel that belief in the Christian God is both unfounded and illogical and not worth entertaining even as a notion....
It is normal to hate what you dont understand. Dont worry this is beyond human understanding. It is unwise to insist upon a literal interpretation of figurative statements of which the inaccuracy may, at any moment, be rendered evident by the progress of scientific discovery; but the fundamental propositions of religion, so far from having anything to fear from the discoveries of science, are strengthened and ennobled by being brought into harmony with those discoveries. And it is only when the religious sentiment shall have been enlightened by its union with scientific truth that religious belief, thus rendered invulnerable to the attacks of skepticism, will take the place of skepticism in the minds and hearts of men.
The inferiority of the human faculties renders it impossible for man to comprehend the essential nature of God. In the infancy of the race, man often confounds the Creator with the creature, and attributes to the former the imperfections of the latter. But, in proportion as his moral sense becomes developed, man's thought penetrates more deeply into the nature of things, and he is able to form to himself a juster and more rational idea of the Divine Being, although his idea of that Being must always be imperfect and incomplete.edit on 12-7-2011 by Shadow Herder because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by randyvs
reply to post by MrXYZ
From biology we have DNA and the genetic code with its inherent language convention. Where did this digital
information come from? Our universal experience is that digital codes are the products of intelligence. The fact
that the blueprints for every living creature are encoded in their DNA is compelling evidence that they were initially created by an intelligent agent. This is strong scientific evidence supporting creation.
Noooooo not the God of the Gaps in refutation. Pathetic.edit on 13-7-2011 by randyvs because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by MrXYZ
Originally posted by randyvs
reply to post by MrXYZ
From biology we have DNA and the genetic code with its inherent language convention. Where did this digital
information come from? Our universal experience is that digital codes are the products of intelligence. The fact
that the blueprints for every living creature are encoded in their DNA is compelling evidence that they were initially created by an intelligent agent. This is strong scientific evidence supporting creation.
Noooooo not the God of the Gaps in refutation. Pathetic.edit on 13-7-2011 by randyvs because: (no reason given)
First of all, DNA isn't digital. Secondly, you're using the god of the gaps again
Also, here's the definition of digital: LINK
Just because we don't (yet) know how DNA came to be in the first place, doesn't mean you can just fill that gap in knowledge with magic (aka god). Yet you continue to do just that...over and over and over again.
And lastly, you claim DNA is evidence for intelligence. Care to present some objective evidence why that is, and why a creator is absolutely required? The old "scientists can't explain that...ergo god did it" answer is not the answer by the way, that would be another example of "god of the gaps"
So no, you haven't presented the slightest bit of scientific evidence to support any of your claims...edit on 13-7-2011 by MrXYZ because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by MrXYZ
but you're welcome to present objective proof that a creator figure and not natural physical/biological/chemical forces are responsible.
Originally posted by RealTruthSeeker
Originally posted by MrXYZ
but you're welcome to present objective proof that a creator figure and not natural physical/biological/chemical forces are responsible.
And where did those forces come from? They surely didn't design themselves, something had to design them in order for them to exist. If you can prove where these forces come from without making a hypothesis then I might believe you.edit on 14-7-2011 by RealTruthSeeker because: (no reason given)edit on 14-7-2011 by RealTruthSeeker because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by bogomil
In the present case genesis 1 is quite clear: We are supposed to live ín a geocentric cosmos, according to it. Do your truth-criteria include such a conclusion as 'true'? Please explain.
Originally posted by RealTruthSeeker
Originally posted by bogomil
In the present case genesis 1 is quite clear: We are supposed to live ín a geocentric cosmos, according to it. Do your truth-criteria include such a conclusion as 'true'? Please explain.
I don't believe this and to my knowledge no one teaches such a thing. Where did this idea come from? I've never heard of such a thing.
Originally posted by randyvs
reply to post by RealTruthSeeker
It dosn't. He's full of crap. Careful Bog you're gonna hyperextend you're rotocuff.
Originally posted by bogomil
Originally posted by RealTruthSeeker
Originally posted by bogomil
In the present case genesis 1 is quite clear: We are supposed to live ín a geocentric cosmos, according to it. Do your truth-criteria include such a conclusion as 'true'? Please explain.
I don't believe this and to my knowledge no one teaches such a thing. Where did this idea come from? I've never heard of such a thing.
Count it as a blessing, that no-one teaches this anymore. But that's actually what genesis 1 says.
Originally posted by RealTruthSeeker
Originally posted by MrXYZ
but you're welcome to present objective proof that a creator figure and not natural physical/biological/chemical forces are responsible.
And where did those forces come from? They surely didn't design themselves, something had to design them in order for them to exist. If you can prove where these forces come from without making a hypothesis then I might believe you.edit on 14-7-2011 by RealTruthSeeker because: (no reason given)edit on 14-7-2011 by RealTruthSeeker because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by RealTruthSeeker
Originally posted by bogomil
Originally posted by RealTruthSeeker
Originally posted by bogomil
In the present case genesis 1 is quite clear: We are supposed to live ín a geocentric cosmos, according to it. Do your truth-criteria include such a conclusion as 'true'? Please explain.
I don't believe this and to my knowledge no one teaches such a thing. Where did this idea come from? I've never heard of such a thing.
Count it as a blessing, that no-one teaches this anymore. But that's actually what genesis 1 says.
I take it you have your own interpretation of what Gen.1 means. Go ahead and share it. No since in me trying to guess. Although I have a feeling of what you might say, I'm interested in what your take on this is.
So science, has absolutely no freaken clue, about existence or how we got here ? If there is a creator or not ?
Why mankind exists ? In fact, I think it's fair to say, that aside from explaining some of the machanics of design. Science and atheism are still pretty much infantile in their combined knowledge. A few hundred years
of science says absolutely nothing to me, in the face of scripture. Some of which may reach as for back as
previous worlds.
I got a say, I'm happy I know Christ.
You guys just want to wear the Daddy pants.
Originally posted by bogomil
If there's safety in numbers, Islam will soon be THE truth. It has already outgrown catholicism and will probably outgrow all the christianities together in a few generations (based on present statistical trends).
Originally posted by MrXYZ
Originally posted by RealTruthSeeker
Originally posted by MrXYZ
but you're welcome to present objective proof that a creator figure and not natural physical/biological/chemical forces are responsible.
And where did those forces come from? They surely didn't design themselves, something had to design them in order for them to exist. If you can prove where these forces come from without making a hypothesis then I might believe you.edit on 14-7-2011 by RealTruthSeeker because: (no reason given)edit on 14-7-2011 by RealTruthSeeker because: (no reason given)
To paraphrase what you just said: "Science can't explain this...ergo god did."
Again, look up god of the gaps, because you just presented an other example of it...
Originally posted by randyvs
reply to post by MrXYZ
Simple natural forces that were designed and put in place by God.
If God didn't do it ? Then how did everything get here X ?