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Pantheism is the view that the Universe (Nature) and God are identical.Pantheists thus do not believe in a personal, anthropomorphic or creator god. The word derives from the Ancient Greek: πᾶν (pan) meaning "all" and θεός (theos) meaning "God". As such, Pantheism denotes the idea that "God" is best seen as a way of relating to the Universe.
Although there are divergences within Pantheism, the central ideas found in almost all versions are the Cosmos as an all-encompassing unity and the sacredness of Nature.
And when has the earth ever become unfixed or moved from it's orbit? The earth is fixed and never moves from it's orbit.
As far as the moon giving off it 's own lite ? Seems like a far to obvious mistake to me when the Moon does reflect the light from the sun becoming a nightlite for the world.
Really this is all just sillyness.
Originally posted by randyvs
reply to post by bogomil
You want me to make an astronomical map, even though that's not what Genesis was meant for us to draw from
it? Forgive me I don't see what my motivation is ?
The motivation is to see if it passes even the slightest reality test. Gensis 1 is THE place in the bible, where time is of no importance and where the text can be directly compared to observable cosmic reality
Oh I agree that the word of God should be infallible. In fact for you to say it is fallible to me is an extrordinary claim.
Originally posted by randyvs
reply to post by bogomil
The motivation is to see if it passes even the slightest reality test. Gensis 1 is THE place in the bible, where time is of no importance and where the text can be directly compared to observable cosmic reality
Gen 1 verse 14 I think actually gives an account of time not just being something in the mind. It's part of cosmology
" And God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years",
edit on 8-6-2011 by randyvs because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by theindependentjournal
Originally posted by Q:1984A:1776
reply to post by randyvs
The reason why scientists would like to remove the idea of "God" from science is because it is unscientific to theorize about something that can neither be confirmed or denied by the scientific method.
If this were true then Evolution couldn't be taught either as it is neither confirmed or denied through Scientific method
So you don't personally believe the bible to be the divine inspiration of God?
Originally posted by awake_and_aware
reply to post by spy66
Ok. with the limits to what we can perceive. How can science tell some that God does not exist?
What facts is that being based on?
I am trying to stay on topic.
Non of you are actually basing any facts that there is no creator. And you cant because no one knows what took place before the so called Big Bang.
Atheists shouldn't be expected to provide evidence; they never made the extrordinary claim despite lack of extraordinary evidence.
Originally posted by randyvs
reply to post by sirnex
So you don't personally believe the bible to be the divine inspiration of God?
Please, sirnex how much sense would it make, for me to believe in a God, who couldn't manage a communication to us, and see to it the message he wanted us to have was there intact ? And for me it will take way more than some simple misgivings. Before you can come close to proving the Bible just by chance survived.
We're very lucky to have it sirnex. No matter what you say, or think, or do.
Originally posted by Crayfish
Originally posted by spy66
Ok. with the limits to what we can perceive. How can science tell some that God does not exist?
Science observes that there is no evidence that god exists. Everything that used to be explained by god is now understood or has much more compelling alternative explanations. Such a lack of evidence for god is in itself evidence for the position that god does not exist. This is reinforced by the total lack of any hypothesis for how a sentient deity would come into being.
Now "science" is not represented by the views of any one individual. There may be scientists that can rationalise the existence of a sentient deity somehow (simulated universe theory for example). Those arguments are all disputed and not compelling enough to be accepted by the majority. Therefore the scientific consensus is that all the evidence suggests that god does not exist.
There is even more evidence against the idea of a Christian god, because the bible has made assertions that have subsequently proved to be invalid. According to the Bible, the earth is flat and immovable, the moon emits its own light, the sky is solid and the stars can be shaken from the sky by earthquakes. The Bible claims that rabbits chew the cud, that the pattern of goats' coats can be changed by what their parents look at while copulating, that only dead seeds can germinate and that ostriches are careless parents.
If a source is shown to be untrustworthy then it should not be trusted without question.
Originally posted by spy66
Non of you are actually basing any facts that there is no creator. And you cant because no one knows what took place before the so called Big Bang.
You still seem to be misunderstanding the fact that there was no "before" the big bang. The first time that can be described as "before" anything was one planck time period after the singularity. That singularity was just an edge of the universe along the dimension of time, just like it has a singularity at the edges of the spatial dimensions.
Scientists have come to some agreement on descriptions of events that happened 10−35 seconds after the Big Bang, but generally agree that descriptions about what happened before one Planck time (5 × 10−44 seconds) after the Big Bang are likely to remain pure speculation.
One Planck time is the time it would take a photon travelling at the speed of light to cross a distance equal to one Planck length. Theoretically, this is the smallest time measurement that will ever be possible,[3]
The Planck length can be defined from three fundamental physical constants: the speed of light in a vacuum, Planck's constant, and the gravitational constant.
A Planck Time is not before the Big Bang.
That's the thing though. I don't think the bible survived by pure chance alone. I firmly believe the bible survived by how recorded history shows how it survived. By the violent elimination of everything that disagreed with the biblical texts and the adoption of other cultural celebrations.
That's the thing though. I don't think the bible survived by pure chance alone.
Originally posted by randyvs
reply to post by sirnex
That's the thing though. I don't think the bible survived by pure chance alone.
And niether do I Sir That was sarcasm.
Providence is the term.