In Alabama, a Harsh Bill for Residents Here Illegally

Originally posted by incrediblelousminds

Originally posted by CobraCommander


If you really need specific numbers to understand those facts then I suggest you would not be able to even properly process the statistical data logically and truthfully if I did bother to do your research for you.

If your opinion cant be substantiated with actual data than it is merely an opinion. Not fact. Claiming it would be 'doing my research for me' is an absurd non-sequitor as the burden of proof lays with the person making the claim. You made a claim. Support it. Or admit it's just an opinion.

Okay, illegal students don't cost the taxpayer anything.

From 2004...

Among the key finding of the report are that the state's already struggling K-12 education system spends approximately $7.7 billion a year to school the children of illegal aliens who now constitute 15 percent of the student body. Another $1.4 billion of the taxpayers' money goes toward providing health care to illegal aliens and their families, the same amount that is spent incarcerating illegal aliens criminals.

usgovinfo.about.com...

And in Kansas, the outlay breaks down into these percentages for 2010...

Originally posted by incrediblelousminds
Its noteworthy that laws directed at immigrants was one of the tactics of the National Socialists in Germany in the lead up to WW@ as it attempted to reconcile a massive level of unemployment.

politicians know that the ignorant and unemployed can always be relied upon to get all worked up about 'immigrants'.

And the National Socialists were right. Hitler was an economic genius. Too bad he was a madman too.

Originally posted by CobraCommander
Okay, illegal students don't cost the taxpayer anything.

It's not that they don't cost the tax payer anything it's the fact that it is chump change compared to other spending. Also it's spending on something that helps the nation.

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Hmmmm. That sure sounds bad. Of course, that isnt what immigrants are doing. Thank goodness.

Not immigrants, illegal immigrants. If invite someone into my home, help them get on their feet, that is a noble thing to do. What is not noble, is when I am already having a hard time making ends meet, having some thug break into my house and use my stuff and sleep on my couch.

Why do you people cower from such benign distinctions. What you jsut described is xenophobia. You are fearful of foreigners or strangers or of their politics or culture. You just stated so yourself. Just admit it. It wont hurt.

There is a difference between being scared of criminals and having the good sense to lock your door at night. Same thing when it comes to illegals. The rules are there for a reason, you can't just have a free-for-all and expect everything to turn out okay.

I also resent the fact that you are trying to spin this as a racial/cultural issue.

Originally posted by muse7
Sometimes, I really don't get this forum at all.

In some threads you all are screaming about how the government is enacting more laws, and how the U.S. is transforming into a police state, but then when these kinds of laws that deal with immigration get passed, they get praised and received with open arms.

We scream because more laws get enacted to take away our rights as an American citizen.

We praise those who enact laws (or enforce laws) that take away the ability to take away our rights as an American citizen.

Where was the republican party a few years ago before immigration became a hot issue?

It has been a hot issue for awhile now.

Depends on what type of Republican you are talking about.

Why are these laws only being passed right now? Why didn't we see these laws get passed in previous years?

Because they couldn't for one reason or other.

There is a saying . . . late is better than never.

Oh, that's right because the economy wasn't tanking, and there was no reason to blame anyone for anything. But now that people are out of jobs, they want someone to blame.

The economy does have a hand in it. But supporters of these laws have been voicing their concerns over the economic impact for years.

I think that Alabama is going to have a hard time replacing those agricultural workers that they will lose, because from what I've witnessed Americans don't really want those kinds of jobs. Most of us are lazy and would rather be on unemployment rather than to go work in the roofing business in the middle of July.

Oh really now?



Plus you missed the fact of wage suppression.

My dad worked construction in the 80's. He made $7.25/hr building houses (minimum wage was about $3.15/hr)

I applied a few years ago to a construction company . . . $7.25/hr.

The pay SHOULD be about $12.00/hr. But it is stuck at minimum wage. Why is this?

Americans have been flushed out of the market.

Oh, and by the way . . .

70% of Criminal Immigrants in Texas Receive Welfare

But it is nice to see that you support the slavery-like conditions under which illegals work - no OSHA compliance, no workman's comp, no minimum wage, no benefits of any kind, illegal work hours, and child labor.

I see you also fail to mention the score of Americans that do these same jobs in places with a low criminal immigrant population.

Godspeed, to those immigrant families that will get discriminated against, I too would be crossing the border illegally if that meant I could escape the shootings and the living conditions that are present in Mexico right now.

Those poor poor CRIMINALS have everyone wanting to enforce the law on them.

Cry me a #ing river.

Why not change their own country.

Why not come LEGALLY, like thousands of others do?

But to be honest, It's not a good time to be in America right now. Political parties are driving a wedge in between the population, in order to gain votes. Banks are getting away with stealing trillions of dollars, but yet somehow this recession must be blamed on other people that come here just looking for a better life, and in order to escape the violence, beheadings and kidnappings.

. . .

Looking for a better life, eh?

Let me google that for you.

Yep. First page looks pretty innocent to me.

Originally posted by daskakik
reply to post by g146541

 

I think the parasites you should be trying to step on are on wall street. Oh and the fed. They have been sucking you dry since 1913.

How can illegals that have taken your jobs be considered parasites if they are actually working?

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Becasue either A they are not working, or B they took my yob, not to mention the fact that they all get food stamps and benefits of sorts that they are not entitled to.

But yes, the Fed is BAD business. Nevertheless, just because one person is holding a gun to my head does not mean that some other guy has the right to come up and kick me in the nards.

reply to post by JosephMatthew


That pie in the sky you are pushing all over this thread must taste pretty darned sweet to you, but it smells mighty nasty to me. How come everyone only talks about "one planet and open borders" when they want to come to the United States. You can talk all day about how everyone is a citizen of this planet, but I want to hear [color=#FF6600]SPECIFICALLY how you are going to address Housing, Schools, Medical Care and Employment in an open borders situation. Because right now me and other hard working Americans are paying EXTRA for every illegal immigrant to get medical care, and social services and housing. And that cost is not acceptable to us.

Originally posted by daskakik

Originally posted by Night Star
Some are working and collecting welfare benefits through deciet. The women I worked with lied saying they were a one income household when it was a lie! In reality they made well above the poverty limit. That is only one example of many.

I'm sure some do. Still doesn't make it right to paint with such a wide brush. Just like saying citizens won't work the fields when many would be gald for the work.

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Don't have to paint with any brush. Illegal is illegal.

Do I have the right to go steal a sandwich or sleep on your couch as long as I have a job?

Originally posted by daskakik

Originally posted by Night Star
Some are working and collecting welfare benefits through deciet. The women I worked with lied saying they were a one income household when it was a lie! In reality they made well above the poverty limit. That is only one example of many.

I'm sure some do. Still doesn't make it right to paint with such a wide brush. Just like saying citizens won't work the fields when many would be gald for the work.

edit on 5-6-2011 by daskakik because: (no reason given)

Don't have to paint with any brush. Illegal is illegal.

Do I have the right to go steal a sandwich or sleep on your couch as long as I have a job?

reply to post by JosephMatthew


Ah no,,not at all ,they need to leave..now
We have rebuilding to do, so we must tax all illegal immigrants arrested by confiscating all property and remove their children to determine if they should accompany their parents.
If they are too young we will raise them.
ANYONE affiliated with MS 13 or any know large terrorist/criminal organization automatically forfeits all property when convicted of a felony,to reimburse their victims or the state for the expense of incarceration or if violent execution.
Current illegal occupants will verify all income as we must and will fall under the same EXACT laws we do.However,again Violent felonies =death

Originally posted by daskakik

Originally posted by CobraCommander
Okay, illegal students don't cost the taxpayer anything.

It's not that they don't cost the tax payer anything it's the fact that it is chump change compared to other spending. Also it's spending on something that helps the nation.

edit on 5-6-2011 by daskakik because: (no reason given)

If I come into your house, out a gun to your head, and steal your life savings, will you refuse to press charges as long as I promise to live in your house and use the money for my education?

Originally posted by CobraCommander
Becasue either A they are not working, or B they took my yob, not to mention the fact that they all get food stamps and benefits of sorts that they are not entitled to.

But yes, the Fed is BAD business. Nevertheless, just because one person is holding a gun to my head does not mean that some other guy has the right to come up and kick me in the nards.

They all get food stamps and benefits? That is BS and I know first hand because I have known hundreds of illegals and while some may have opted for government aid when they needed (by deceit since they have no other choice) it wasn't even 5% of them.

Many actually got their residency by way of the 1984 amnesty and today they are paying taxes and many have become citizens.

The ones holding the gun to your head are the ones paying the other guy to kick you in the nads (less than minimum wage of course).

reply to post by daskakik


You are confusing illegals with people who are here legally for one thing. And for another, I don't know where you come by this figure of 5%. Try 70%

A new study has found that a remarkable 70% of illegal aliens in Texas are on the dole. Since only 39% of native born Americans are on welfare, it makes one think that the phrase “doing the jobs Americans won’t do” should be changed to “not doing the jobs that Americans won’t do.”

source

Originally posted by CobraCommander
reply to post by daskakik

 

You are confusing illegals with people who are here legally for one thing. And for another, I don't know where you come by this figure of 5%. Try 70%

A new study has found that a remarkable 70% of illegal aliens in Texas are on the dole. Since only 39% of native born Americans are on welfare, it makes one think that the phrase “doing the jobs Americans won’t do” should be changed to “not doing the jobs that Americans won’t do.”

source

No I'm not because I knew them personally. I did say first hand. I knew that they had no work visas or green cards. Most, even when things where bad, did not apply for any form of aid.

Like I said many became legal with the 1984 amnesty and are now legal, tax payers and alot of them even became citizens.

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1984 was almost 30years ago. A whole new generation of workers out there now. in 1984 we still had Marines in Beirut and crack was first introduced in Los Angeles.

I too personally know a lot of illegals. And I saw them all the time using EBT cards at the supermarket where I worked for a while.

reply to post by CobraCommander


Fair enough. It was 30 years ago but since then the door that lead to a path to citizenship has been closed. The ones that I knew still had that option and they are now on the books . I'm sure many would go legit if they had a chance. My point was that they are not the reason for the state of the economy. The new illegals are just pawns in the game. They are being taken advantage of as slave labor and as scapegoats.

The politicians have created the situation, probably backed by big business, to shaft both the US citizen and the illegals. They're the only ones that can benefit from things being the way they are.

I don't really see these types of laws being bad but I think they are just a dog and pony show to gather votes from those that have been directly affected by their previous policies.

reply to post by daskakik


Illegals have exacerbated our economic woes AND provided cover to the "real culprits" that you speak of.

Short of that, I have PERSONALLY lost jobs to illegals, have been the victim of a knife assault by an illegal on one job site, have seen people that I know be murdered by illegals, and have seen first hand the blight they visited upon my city that is worse than the crack epidemic was.

I have no problem with immigrants coming to America to seek opportunity. But that flow must be managed. To say nothing of how unfair it is to people that HAVE taken the path to citizenship. Most Latino illegals that I know have no intention of staying here, and send most of their money south across the border.

And of course, all of that must be framed in the fact that 70% of illegals are on welfare, So saying that most of them are good hard working people that are only here to do jobs American's won't do is a complete myth.

There is nothing wrong with immigration, this nation is founded on that spirit and multiculturalism. Where the problem comes in is that we have been overrun thanks to a lack of effective immigration policy and enforcement to keep illegals out.

Gone are the days of the simple young Mexican man seeking a better education, a better opportunity for his family, while he hires on as a ranch-hand. Today, they come to raid the welfare coffers, rape and murder women, and push meth at gunpoint.

i'm sorry, but if I ILLEGALLY walk into a bank, help myself to ALL of the money in said bank, with hopes of a better life, i'll likely be spending 10-20 in a prison.

even many homeboys i have, that are hispanic complain of the Illegal persons entering the country, because their people did it the legal way, then busted their asses to make things happen for their kids. and that's stuff they've brought up in general conversation not related to the issue.

Originally posted by haarvik


About freaking time! DC needs to pay attention and follow suit! Violates the Constitution my ass, they are not legal residents if this country, therefore they are not covered by it. International law should prevail! People need to start picketing these pro illegal immigrant organizations. Which part of illegal don;t you get? Deport them ALL!

www.nytimes.com
(visit the link for the full news article)

Tell you what, paleface. Get a boat and start rowing. Don't worry, I'll toss you your luggage.

Europe's thattaway.

Originally posted by ahmonrarh
i'm sorry, but if I ILLEGALLY walk into a bank, help myself to ALL of the money in said bank, with hopes of a better life, i'll likely be spending 10-20 in a prison.

even many homeboys i have, that are hispanic complain of the Illegal persons entering the country, because their people did it the legal way, then busted their asses to make things happen for their kids. and that's stuff they've brought up in general conversation not related to the issue.

My sister-in-law is half Mexican, and resents illegals big time. Her mother married a soldier, so she had it a little easier getting her citizenship in the long run, but still. And it can't be said that that woman hasn't busted her butt. Her husband wasn't an officer and Army pay has never been great for soldiers wearing stripes. A few kids in a poor Texas town, it wasn't easy for her. Her brother followed, with a valid work visa, and finally citizenship as well. So it can be done the right way, and should be done the right way.