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In Alabama, a Harsh Bill for Residents Here Illegally

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posted on Jun, 5 2011 @ 04:19 PM
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Originally posted by muse7
I'm pretty sure that a lot of members that post here on ATS also are members of the Stormfront message board.

I can't believe people here are so blind that they are willing to accept and praise laws that will discriminate against another group of people.

This law will no question, set up people to be discriminated against solely based on the color of their skin.


You are the racist , you think just because you are born in Mexico you have a right to come into the USA free of laws and charges. Once again what makes them different from the millions of other poor desperate people across the seas who do not border with us? Those poor souls cant make it here.

Why arent you campaigning to send a boats to all third world country's and bring everyone here who wants to come here? What makes the Mexican people different from those poor souls?
If you feel it is fine for mexicans to come over illegally then you feel its fine for ANYONE to come over illegally no matter how far away they are or no matter how many people they are.

If you dont feel this way your being a racist or hypocrite. I know you do not wanna be that. So if you ran the country I assume you would announce tomorrow that anyone who wants in the USA is welcome, Im sure you'd had no problem bringing 2 billion people in, dont wanna appear to be favoring our neighbors down south do we?
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posted on Jun, 5 2011 @ 04:20 PM
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5th column are not fellow Americans as far as I'm concerned. And Congress needs to enact legislation to stop the anchor-baby boom.

EDIT to add: Many illegals also falsify records to claim benefits for children that do not exist.


Remember that many of these "anchor-babies" are now soldiers fighting in the ass end of WTFistan, for people that vilify them.
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posted on Jun, 5 2011 @ 04:26 PM
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Originally posted by muse7
Immigrants....

It was easier back then to come in and do seasonal jobs, most of them went back to Mexico and returned once it was time to pick crops again.


So, wouldn't a guest worker program in which they register, and they're bussed in from Mexico on a rotational basis to work such seasonal labor, make a fair wage and pay minimal taxes, then be shuttled back to Mexico and their families with that money (and their dignity) be a pretty decent solution? That, and ending the failed war on drugs would put the drug cartels and people smugglers into near irrelevance and solve alot of the problems we're having.



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posted on Jun, 5 2011 @ 04:31 PM
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Guys hear me out.....

I don't have a problem, with immigration laws. They are there for a reason obviously.

What I do have a problem with, is states passing laws like these that only encourage discrimination against people. These laws will punish people and break up families that were lured here by employers that were willing to hire them.

If states went after the employers then I wouldn't have a problem with it, but that isn't the case. States are passing laws that are only targeting the people that come here to work. Don't even begin to compare the immigration system that your ancestors had to go through to the one we have in place today because it's way different.



posted on Jun, 5 2011 @ 04:33 PM
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Originally posted by Chindogu

Remember that many of these "anchor-babies" are now soldiers fighting in the ass end of WTFistan, for people that vilify them.
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I certainly wouldn't say many. But the issue is where their loyalties lie.
If they are serving out of love and loyalty for this country, and they believe in the laws that they are fighting for (which includes immigration laws), then kudos, those are the kind of citizens we want. There are definitely some issues with our government, in how they utilize our forces, and think we need some changes and fixes; but I still love, and am loyal, to my country.

But the '5th column-anchor babies' refers to the ones that are born here, who have zero respect for our country and our laws, and do whatever they can to circumvent them and leech off the system and have loyalties to another country.
That term doesn't apply to every baby born from an immigrant.



posted on Jun, 5 2011 @ 04:33 PM
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Ask "La Raza" if its a racial issue. look up what ATZLAN is.ahahahaha what a moron you know ATZLAN is a fictional story right? Its not real! La Raza has been a radical brown power anti white organization. La Raza means the race lol What race? There are only 3 races and everything else is a mix. ,black,Asian White



posted on Jun, 5 2011 @ 04:40 PM
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Originally posted by querious
But the '5th column-anchor babies' refers to the ones that are born here, who have zero respect for our country and our laws, and do whatever they can to circumvent them and leech off the system and have loyalties to another country.

That term doesn't apply to every baby born from an immigrant.


I doubt that most have loyalties to another country. Those that are in gangs probably have loyalty to their gang but they will do anything to not have to go live in their parents home country.



posted on Jun, 5 2011 @ 04:43 PM
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Originally posted by daskakik

Originally posted by CobraCommander
5th column are not fellow Americans as far as I'm concerned. And Congress needs to enact legislation to stop the anchor-baby boom.


Well your opinion does not matter. The Supreme Court has the last say and until Congress makes those changes things are what they are.


The same corruption and cronyism that has created greater income disparity is the same corruption and cronyism which has allowed illegal immigration to flourish.


That is exactly what I have been saying all along. The illegals and the citizens out of work are the result of corruption and cronyism helping to move the nations wealth upwards.


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Illegal immigration is a symptom of their corruption, and yet you defend illegal immigration. That's like saying that I can lie about having six kids to get food stamps, but you don't really care since Chase owns the food stamp program now. (which they do actually)



posted on Jun, 5 2011 @ 04:45 PM
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That's BS. I have been run off of farms because I was not an illegal. So saying that illegals are a necessary and integral part of our workforce is utter bunk.



posted on Jun, 5 2011 @ 04:48 PM
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Originally posted by muse7
I'm pretty sure that a lot of members that post here on ATS also are members of the Stormfront message board.

I can't believe people here are so blind that they are willing to accept and praise laws that will discriminate against another group of people.

This law will no question, set up people to be discriminated against solely based on the color of their skin.


No one here is endorsing discrimination. And as a matter of fact, I will be watching very closely to see that this is not twisted into another infringement on the liberty of citizens. But if you are lawfully stopped by police, or partaking of some government benefit including public education, there is no reason why you should not be required to validate your identity.

EDIT to add: And no Stormfront for me thank you.
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posted on Jun, 5 2011 @ 04:51 PM
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Originally posted by CobraCommander
Illegal immigration is a symptom of their corruption, and yet you defend illegal immigration. That's like saying that I can lie about having six kids to get food stamps, but you don't really care since Chase owns the food stamp program now. (which they do actually)


I don't defend illegal immigration. I'm saying that it is being used by those who set up the system. They are the ones who could have stopped it but decided to use it to their advantage. That is the root of the problem.

In short don't blame the illegals blame those that are keeping them illegal and still letting them pour over the border.



posted on Jun, 5 2011 @ 04:53 PM
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Originally posted by muse7


Immigrants....

It was easier back then to come in and do seasonal jobs, most of them went back to Mexico and returned once it was time to pick crops again.


Wrong. I used to work the orchards. Me and guys and gals just like me. Lot of high school kids. Some old-timers.

But closer to the border, what you say may be true to some extent. I can't say I would be against a documented migrant worker program.



posted on Jun, 5 2011 @ 04:57 PM
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Originally posted by Chindogu



5th column are not fellow Americans as far as I'm concerned. And Congress needs to enact legislation to stop the anchor-baby boom.

EDIT to add: Many illegals also falsify records to claim benefits for children that do not exist.


Remember that many of these "anchor-babies" are now soldiers fighting in the ass end of WTFistan, for people that vilify them.
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A few. Who cares? Not me. But since you brought it up. You mean anchor-baby soldiers like this...?




posted on Jun, 5 2011 @ 04:58 PM
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Seems to me that the hiring of non-US citizens is another type of outsourcing. The services or products are made in the States but most of the money is sent back to Mexico or South American countries. If someone is angered by this, they are automatically labelled racist, and the race card is a trump card in any situation.



posted on Jun, 5 2011 @ 04:59 PM
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Yeah, I agree, we really should enhance our 'guest-worker' program.

Make it easy to fill the open jobs that can't be filled locally (with proof of trying).

But I'd really like to see, as you mentioned before, some kind of legislation that removed the anchor-baby clause, while they are working on a 'guest-worker' program.

I don't know how that would work exactly to comply with the Constitution, but really if you aren't a citizen, you aren't entitled to the provisions of the Constitution, but that stipulation (about being born on our soil), is a gray one.

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Fourteenth Amendment of the US CONSTITUTION:

Ratified July 9, 1868.

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.



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posted on Jun, 5 2011 @ 05:02 PM
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Originally posted by muse7
Guys hear me out.....

I don't have a problem, with immigration laws. They are there for a reason obviously.

What I do have a problem with, is states passing laws like these that only encourage discrimination against people. These laws will punish people and break up families that were lured here by employers that were willing to hire them.

If states went after the employers then I wouldn't have a problem with it, but that isn't the case. States are passing laws that are only targeting the people that come here to work. Don't even begin to compare the immigration system that your ancestors had to go through to the one we have in place today because it's way different.


Way different, times change, economies change.

They are not passing laws that discriminate against anyone. They are passing laws to capture, prosecute, and shut out people who have broken the law.

And speaking of luring. I know a few drug dealers who offer the allure of a gang-banging drug-dealing lifestyle too. So I guess if I get caught selling drugs, it's not really my fault, it's the Latin Kings fault.



posted on Jun, 5 2011 @ 05:04 PM
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Originally posted by querious

Originally posted by Chindogu

Remember that many of these "anchor-babies" are now soldiers fighting in the ass end of WTFistan, for people that vilify them.
edit on 5-6-2011 by Chindogu because: (no reason given)


I certainly wouldn't say many. But the issue is where their loyalties lie.
If they are serving out of love and loyalty for this country, and they believe in the laws that they are fighting for (which includes immigration laws), then kudos, those are the kind of citizens we want. There are definitely some issues with our government, in how they utilize our forces, and think we need some changes and fixes; but I still love, and am loyal, to my country.

But the '5th column-anchor babies' refers to the ones that are born here, who have zero respect for our country and our laws, and do whatever they can to circumvent them and leech off the system and have loyalties to another country.
That term doesn't apply to every baby born from an immigrant.


I will take it a step further too, and say that 4 years of military service should be a valid entry point to citizenship.



posted on Jun, 5 2011 @ 05:09 PM
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Originally posted by daskakik

Originally posted by querious
But the '5th column-anchor babies' refers to the ones that are born here, who have zero respect for our country and our laws, and do whatever they can to circumvent them and leech off the system and have loyalties to another country.

That term doesn't apply to every baby born from an immigrant.


I doubt that most have loyalties to another country. Those that are in gangs probably have loyalty to their gang but they will do anything to not have to go live in their parents home country.


You are sorely mistaken. I know plenty of latinos, Mexicans in particular, who would rather fight to overthrow the US than take care of business in their own countries. Even ones who aren't militant, still have no respect for the US. And that starts with the disrespect of our border.

People talk about blacks and poor whites with a sense of entitlement when it comes to welfare programs. Well they ARE entitled. So what justification the sense of entitlement that comes from illegals and their anchor-baby children raised to hate immigration law and the US in general?



posted on Jun, 5 2011 @ 05:10 PM
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Originally posted by daskakik

Originally posted by CobraCommander
Illegal immigration is a symptom of their corruption, and yet you defend illegal immigration. That's like saying that I can lie about having six kids to get food stamps, but you don't really care since Chase owns the food stamp program now. (which they do actually)


I don't defend illegal immigration. I'm saying that it is being used by those who set up the system. They are the ones who could have stopped it but decided to use it to their advantage. That is the root of the problem.

In short don't blame the illegals blame those that are keeping them illegal and still letting them pour over the border.



Okay, so now they are finally trying to stop it. It's about time.



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