Ancient Aliens Debunked?, page 6

reply to post by Blackmarketeer

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Sure - landing strips, perhaps not. Though it's no easy feat to make straight lines that go over hills and mountains like that. Some kind of navigational aid comes to mind - but from what perspective, I couldn't really say (the picture in your post would seem to indicate navigational aids from the ground - while some of the aerial photographs seem to indicate some other use).

Perhaps it was simply just a "look at what we did!" - There's an entire subset of art that is based around perspective - to see the artwork as intended, one must be standing in just the right spot to see it all come together. This is particularly popular in making structures that appear to be impossible, when looking at them from the "sweet spot." Though they make little sense when you look at them from any other angle.

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In that way, perhaps in another time and place, the point of such geometric arrangements on the ground would make more sense.

Or not. Maybe it's abstract art. "I wonder what people 6,000 years from now will think about this?" "Well, it's meant to be whatever they want it to be - it's our gift of wisdom to all future generations." "... Sure they won't think those flying silver things did it?" "What? Have you seen what those guys consider art!? How could any human attribute this to the flying silver things!?"

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Originally posted by Titen-Sxull
Daniken is allowed to assert without challenge that the ANGELS described by Enoch were aliens.

The gods and their angels were not of this Earth. That automatically makes them aliens.

John 18:36:

Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this world...."

Jesus even admits that his kingdom is not of this world. That means his kingdom is elsewhere. That makes him an alien to this world by the very definition of "alien".

When "god" descended onto Mt. Sinai, he descended in great smoke and fire, and the ground quaked. What do we have nowadays that creates great smoke and fire and makes the ground quake? Oh yeah, that would be the space shuttle and its booster rockets, for example.

Then "god" told Moses to make a perimeter around the mountain and that if anyone were to touch the mountain, they would surely be killed whether it be man or animal. But how do you make a perimeter around a mountain? Why would a man or animal die for touching a mountain? Because that is not the proper interpretation.

What the bible should say is that "god" told Moses to make a perimeter around the spaceship and to not let anybody touch the ship or they would surely die. A spaceship would also create smoke and fire and cause the ground to quake..

The gods ascended and descended from the sky in their chariots or spaceships. That automatically makes them "alien".


Furthermore, back on the topic of Enoch. Enoch was taken up in a chariot (spaceship) and was flown around the world to see the world from the sky. Enoch was then taken into space, shown the sun, moon, stars, Earth, the rotation of all of them, the seasons, etc. Whoever was able to take Enoch into space and show him the rotation of the celestial bodies, had to be aliens because humans didn't posses that technology thousands of years ago.

Originally posted by Titen-Sxull
eye witness reports do not count as evidence.

This part right here burns my ass. It is completely false. Do you have any idea how many murder or other cases have been prosecuted and won by just witness testimony alone? If three people see you stab someone, they don't need the physical knife to prosecute you. Three people saw you stab someone, you're going to jail. Period.

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Where you learned that witness testimony is not evidence is beyond my comprehension, but it also kills your credibility. Not to mention, your whole thread is based on your opinions and own bias.

And as such: No, the ancient alien theory is far from, and not even close to being, debunked.

reply to post by Chindogu

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The first picture you posted I believe is a wood carving from Nuremberg supposedly depicting an event in which orbs of some kind appeared in the sky. It certainly is strange but I think it could just as easily depict a meteor shower or a mass hallucination of some kind.

I've seen several model airplane versions of that artifact built. While it is astounding that when scaled up the model is aerodynamic I think that just speaks to the ingenuity or cleverness of those that made it, either that or it could be an unlikely coincidence. The odds are against the alien explanation however without some evidence that the ancients possessed a full scale operational plane fitting its description that was not designed by them.

reply to post by Doublemint

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but in my opion it does mean you can throw any idea out there any possiblity is possible untill proven false.

While it is true that almost anything is possible science must follow where the evidence points. The conclusion is drawn from the evidence not the evidence drawn from a preconceived conclusion. In the video Daniken himself suggests that he started with the conclusion and then went out looking for evidence.

reply to post by _BoneZ_

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That automatically makes them aliens.

In a sense yes but in not in the physical sense of lifeforms from another planet. Angels are typically supernatural beings, not mere biological entities. They are technically aliens.

Oh yeah, that would be the space shuttle and its booster rockets, for example.

It would also fit with Yahweh's storm god origins. It would not, however, fit with modern UFO accounts which typically described UFOs that hover silently. It also might not fit with an interstellar craft. Our space shuttle sure does make a lot of noise but its also not capable of breaking the light barrier, a craft capable of coming to Earth from another planet wouldn't necessarily sound anything like a quake.

Because that is not the proper interpretation.

Contact with Yahweh in the old testament often causes death. This is why only the high priest could go into the Holy of Holies to see the Ark. It's a curious thing indeed but is it consistent with what we'd expect from an alien being?

That automatically makes them "alien".

Again on a technicality. It does not, however, make them real. And of course there gods like the Greek gods who lived not off of the Earth but on Mount Olympus. Not all gods descended or ascended and not all lived off of the Earth. Even if they did it wouldn't prove that they existed AND were aliens.

had to be aliens because humans didn't posses that technology thousands of years ago.

Had to be aliens? There's a reason why the story couldn't be mythology? There's a reason why it can't be fiction?

Do you have any idea how many murder or other cases have been prosecuted and won by just witness testimony alone?

I was unaware we were dealing in a court room and not going by scientific levels of evidence. And very few murder cases are decided by eye witness testimony, if they are than the jury has been duped into thinking eye witness testimony makes a case. It is forensics that is the strongest evidence, especially DNA. Human beings are very poor observers generally.

Your definitions are pointless, we're not talking about a court of law, we're dealing with science. When it comes to science eye witness testimony, especially of something incredible, isn't evidence. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Not to mention, your whole thread is based on your opinions and own bias.

If by bias you mean employing simple skepticism to point out the flaws in AAH proponents claims, than yes, I am biased, towards doubting fallacious reasoning, imaginative reinterpretation and pointless speculation.

Originally posted by Titen-Sxull
reply to post by Chindogu

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The first picture you posted I believe is a wood carving from Nuremberg supposedly depicting an event in which orbs of some kind appeared in the sky. It certainly is strange but I think it could just as easily depict a meteor shower or a mass hallucination of some kind.

Mass hallucination??

Really?

So all of the ancient civilizations from each part of the globe just coincidentally hallucinated the EXACT same events that were taking place in the sky?

Tell me, what drug was EVERYBODY on at the same time that create hallucinations so real that they all saw?

reply to post by ButterCookie

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Everyone on the planet witnessed the Nuremberg event? Gimme a break. It's a supposed sighting that took place in one city in Germany for which I've seen not a single shred of other evidence besides that picture. And yes mass hallucination is a far more likely explanation than aliens, though not nearly as likely as it being a meteor shower or some other aerial phenomenon. Even if we established that these people saw entirely unidentified objects soaring in the sky we'd still only be able to call them unidentified.

Originally posted by Titen-Sxull
reply to post by ButterCookie

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Everyone on the planet witnessed the Nuremberg event? Gimme a break. It's a supposed sighting that took place in one city in Germany for which I've seen not a single shred of other evidence besides that picture. And yes mass hallucination is a far more likely explanation than aliens, though not nearly as likely as it being a meteor shower or some other aerial phenomenon. Even if we established that these people saw entirely unidentified objects soaring in the sky we'd still only be able to call them unidentified.

I wasn't speaking about the Nuremberg event.

I was literally speaking about the flying vessels in our ancient history.

reply to post by ButterCookie

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I can't deny the human race has a long history of seeing unidentified things in the sky but how is there desire to portray them as craft (chariots) any different from our attempts to say they are saucers containing aliens? In both cases it would just be a superstitious tendency to attach agency to UFOs. UFOs are just that, unidentified. It's likely that a number of factors create them and most of them can be explained away there will always be those that remain unidentified. To just call them aliens is another argument from ignorance, we have no evidence that that's what they are. As much as it might bother us I think it best to just leave them a mystery until we can discover more about them or find some much needed physical evidence.

Originally posted by Titen-Sxull
reply to post by ButterCookie

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I can't deny the human race has a long history of seeing unidentified things in the sky but how is there desire to portray them as craft (chariots) any different from our attempts to say they are saucers containing aliens? In both cases it would just be a superstitious tendency to attach agency to UFOs. UFOs are just that, unidentified. It's likely that a number of factors create them and most of them can be explained away there will always be those that remain unidentified. To just call them aliens is another argument from ignorance, we have no evidence that that's what they are. As much as it might bother us I think it best to just leave them a mystery until we can discover more about them or find some much needed physical evidence.

We have no evidence because

1. The craft is no longer here

2. We can't travel back into time (yet)

So......

Flying vessels in the sky in the era of our ancient civilizations were.........

Flying vessels.

According to all biblical text, who rode in these flying vessels? The Gods (and angels)

They themselves were not of Earth origin, as the texts say that they descended and ascended back and forward to Earth.

So explain again why this makes them not extraterrestrial beings????

Originally posted by TheArchaeologist
Fair enough OP.

I am curious what you think of the mountain tops that have seemingly been planed off perfectly flat. All other mountains of their peaks. No debris as such.

How was this done? It doesn't appear to be natural. If man made, what was it's purpose?

that one's simple.

If you didn't already know, in ancient times these mountains were made of Parmesan cheese. One day, God wanted a little snack and decided to make a nice Caesar salad and chose this particular mountain to shave off a few slices


I'm intrigued by this anomaly as well. Without having to dig for it (I'm lazy), are the "flattened" tops perfectly flat or aligned with the horizon?

Also - thanks OP for taking the time to write this up. I don't agree or disagree with everything you present or with what the shows present (and other posters) but it's an entertaining read nonetheless.

reply to post by digitalf

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I agree. They would have had to mined for diamonds and understood the hardness scale. Some of the work done thousands of years ago make us look like the cavemen. Granite is granite, I have worked with almost every stone, marble, travertine, limestone soapstone etc. and to do the feats they did, impossible. I worked with many people that have done it for years as well, and talent is hard to come by, and we are dealing with journeymen with proper tools.

It is just interesting and there is no valid explanation. There are outlandish ones andit seems like one of those is going to be the proper answer.

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