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Ancient Aliens Debunked?

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posted on Jun, 5 2011 @ 02:55 PM
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Originally posted by joeym1991
Winged Bull I agree 100 %. Primates start showing up in fossil records around 60-85 million years ago, in between 85 and 25 million years primates only went through a few evolutionary changes. 60 million years pass by and primates barely change then all of a sudden in between 20-15 million years ago up to present day Hominidae show up and we go through over 20 significant anatomical changes. Theres something missing. Someone please tell me?



Exactly!!

Which further proves the case AGAINST evolution. There hasn't been enough time for the emergence of mankind by the ways of evolution alone.

Humans were QUANTUM LEAPED.




posted on Jun, 5 2011 @ 02:59 PM
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Originally posted by ObvTruth

Originally posted by Titen-Sxull
reply to post by MindfulReason
 


I'm not a historian, please direct your question at someone truly qualified to answer it.


Whoa Buddy when your here saying other peoples evidence is wrong best believe you should back up your own theories.


To be honest there are numerous plausible hypotheses for how structures like the pyramids were built.


Orly? Prove it (not with Wiki)

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Yes!!

That is the part they keep ignoring.

If the AAT is wrong, then they should be on here proving how their theory (??) is right.



posted on Jun, 5 2011 @ 03:01 PM
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"Daniken admits that he starts with the presupposition of aliens AND THEN looks for proof. This generally isn't the way science works. Usually you want to collect evidence before coming to a conclusion, not come to a conclusion and then procure the necessary evidence."

Sorry if this has been repeated, but science actually does work this way, thats the point of having a hypothesis then testing it, you have a theory then collect evidence to support/disprove it. One point you can however argue is that Daniken makes no attempt to disprove his theory, which IS common practise in science.



posted on Jun, 5 2011 @ 03:12 PM
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I said earlier in a post that WE MAY NEVER KNOW MANS DISTANT PAST, is anyone posting replies to this thread 3000-5000 years old because if so throw an answer out there. Quit trying to argue and force beliefs or try and sway the way people think.



posted on Jun, 5 2011 @ 03:22 PM
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Yeah, that's brilliant. Today we have supercomputers that are capable of doing millions of calculations per second and machinery capable of building enormous steel skyscrapers; yet we find it impossible to recreate these ancient structures. Hmmm. Not to mention molding together huge stones to build huge walls only achievable by heating the stones to above 3000F (not possible by using trees as the heat source).
The 1200 TON stone I was referring to is the second monolith near the stone of the pregnant woman in, yes, Baalbek.
Also; for some reason you fail to mention the opinions of Christopher Dunn (engineer), Robert Bauval (construction engineer), Peter Palutikof (architect), Roger Hopkins (life-long stone sculptor). They all make great points based on their expertise.
"I'm not a historian, please direct your question at someone truly qualified to answer it. "
Agreed. Apparently you're not a structural engineer, architect, or construction specialist either. So I don't see how you can simply debunk all of this. And like I said earlier; "debunking" drawings of flying chariots and religious manuscripts is pretty much redundant in this case since we can only speculate as to what they were actually trying to convey. I do agree that inserting the AA theory "as a convenient filler" may be dubious, but I think the best proof we have that ancient humans had some sort of advanced technology not mentioned anywhere by mainstream history and archeology is the monoliths they allegedly built; and by "advanced" I mean more advanced than ours.



posted on Jun, 5 2011 @ 03:24 PM
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The 1200 TON stone I was referring to is the second monolith near the stone of the pregnant woman in, yes, Baalbek.


As pointed out, that stone is in the quarry where it was being cut. It was not moved.
As pointed out, Ancient Aliens doesn't mention that for some reason.

Woops sorry about that. I thought you were talking about the 1200 ton stone, stone of the pregnant woman. Which stone is "near" it?
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posted on Jun, 5 2011 @ 03:28 PM
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But at some point it had to be cut and ended up there right? I don't have time to read that full PDF but the link you provided was almost suggesting that the ones who built Baalbek found that stone and built around it?

Wouldn't that mean someone even earlier moved it there? It doesn't appear as a natural formation, and quite random position.



posted on Jun, 5 2011 @ 03:29 PM
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It is in the quarry. It was not moved.

The PDF I linked has nothing to do with Baalbek.


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posted on Jun, 5 2011 @ 03:30 PM
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The stone of the pregnant woman weighs 1000 tons. A second stone weighing 1242 tons was discovered in 1990 nearby.



posted on Jun, 5 2011 @ 03:31 PM
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Originally posted by Titen-Sxull
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If you're not going to back up any of your claims than thanks for taking the time to make a load of baseless assertions.

May I at least ask how you KNOW these things?


I don't mind briefly responding to those questions 1) In 1969, on the Kern River at just before 6am in the morning, I had a face to face encounter with an 8 1/2-9' Reptilian Being; he gazed at me, I gazed at him and the black wedged platform he (it had no indication of breasts and clearly appeared male) stood on before he moved away and appeared to fade or evaporate-like (I have since concluded that he was able to manipulate frequency/dimensions); in 1972 on the coast off of Vietnam I saw a saucier type vehicle the size of 10,00 sq ft two story house approach the ship I was on, hover long enough for me to see details including what reminded me of hieroglyphic on its underside before it plunged into the sea without causing any wake; in 1979 in Valley I had 4 glowing spheres twice the size of beach-balls approach my campsite, check me, my dogs and horse out and zoom away down into the valley below, then two returned and just hovered for 5 minutes before zooming away again (zoom,fly..whatever); I personally know Dr. Jonathan Reed and believe every word and account he has made public; I have spent a lifetime visiting and considering every form of religion, including living with the Twelve Tribes..these are all false religions based upon some facts. Do I have a need to convince you? No. Am I growing tired of ATS again? Yes. All of you will live, learn and wake up to the truth in this life or the next or the next and while I have compassion and sympathy, particularly for children, I consider these generations alive now to be very corrupted, screwed up and deserving of the bed they have made or allowed to be made. Every Spirit that has ever incarnated upon this planet is now walking this planet and something like a "Judgement" is going to take place; the genetic lines that will be allowed to go forward and be the source of the future incarnations of humans will be decided as it has always been decided; the survival of the most fit, the Spirits that will be allowed to incarnate first will be determined based on need..the need to learn and based upon the needs of that and each generation. That's all I am up for saying, its your canoe.



posted on Jun, 5 2011 @ 03:31 PM
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The stone of the pregnant woman weighs 1000 tons. A second stone weighing 1242 tons was discovered in 1990 nearby.

 

Source please?

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posted on Jun, 5 2011 @ 03:34 PM
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Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by MindfulReason



The stone of the pregnant woman weighs 1000 tons. A second stone weighing 1242 tons was discovered in 1990 nearby.

 

Source please?

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en.wikipedia.org...

also; MajorKarma = lol



posted on Jun, 5 2011 @ 03:35 PM
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Originally posted by Phage
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I thought the aliens from Nibiru told their slaves (us) about the planets. It looks like you think so too.

They were told about them.

They were drawn in the Egyptian heiroglyphics.


The aliens didn't know how many planets there are?
BTW, I'd like to see those hieroglyphs too.

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still waiting for those ´hieroglyphs ´..



posted on Jun, 5 2011 @ 03:37 PM
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Thanks.

A second ancient monolith was discovered in the same quarry only in the 1990s

It also is in the quarry. It also wasn't moved.
en.wikipedia.org...



posted on Jun, 5 2011 @ 03:43 PM
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This stone is also from the same quarry, it weighs 800 t and was moved. Love how it says "probably" moved using ropes.. Probably my ass.

en.wikipedia.org...
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posted on Jun, 5 2011 @ 03:49 PM
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Originally posted by Chindogu

I agree that all of this can be attributed to humans, but according to modern archaeologists we did no have the technology at the time to accomplish it. There appears to be evidence that during the Ice Age we had massive cities that at some point got flooded out. If it happened fast enough much of our culture and science would have been wiped out along with most of the populations.

Currently the majority of our population lives around the coasts. Coastal cities are where most of our science and culture are developed, and there is no reason to think that it wasn't that way in the past. So if some catastrophe (like a water filled ice basin burst it's walls flooding all the coastal cities) happened, we would be left with the outlying farming communities and we would have lost most of the knowledge and building techniques.


Most of the evidence is likely at the bottom of the oceans. Sea level rose 300 feet at the end of the last Ice Age and is still rising--who knows what was lost? Until we explore the regions offshore that were once dry land, we're missing a big piece of the puzzle and knowing this, we really can't come to any firm conclusion one way or the other. It is misleading for the archaeologists to say the ancients didn't have the necessary technology when they know most of the planet remains unexplored.

I really enjoy the series Ancient Astronauts, but I take it with a grain of salt. I tend to believe that most of their claims can be attributed to humans; however, there are some things we can't explain, like Puma Punku. There's no way the detail was done with anything less than diamond tipped tools. Even now we couldn't do it. It's a huge anomaly, but that doesn't mean aliens did it. I'd like to believe they did, but I tend to lean towards "simpler is more likely right." And the simplest explanation is that our ancestors did it; there's no need to drag aliens into it.

And if our ancestors did it, then obviously they DID have the technology to get the job done.

The other thing I can't explain is the artwork, including the cave art. To me, it looks as though UFO's and aliens are being clearly depicted, and I have no explanation for it.

Unlike a lot of people, I don't think our ancestors were as dumb as some claim they were, and couldn't have done these technological feats on their own without alien or divine intervention. They had the same intelligence and resourcefulness we do. And the end of the Ice Age was a horrible, catastrophic period of change. We will probably never know what we've lost.
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posted on Jun, 5 2011 @ 03:51 PM
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Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by MindfulReason
 

Thanks.

A second ancient monolith was discovered in the same quarry only in the 1990s

It also is in the quarry. It also wasn't moved.
en.wikipedia.org...



Fair enough. Although, the podium (as just mentioned by eleventhsun) were moved (800tons each). Also, Ramesseum (1000 ton block) was moved.



posted on Jun, 5 2011 @ 03:51 PM
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*Attempts to make this thread interesting again*

Well since the AAH is such utter BS how come Ancient man knew so much about the stars and builded structures that aligned with the stars?



posted on Jun, 5 2011 @ 04:06 PM
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Also, for some reason nobody has mentioned how such intricate and sophisticated designs were cut into solid granite without advanced tech. These are feats that are barely accomplished today using lasers, computers,and diamond tipped drills with directed water support. But yeah, our ancient brothers allegedly did this using copper chisels...lol.
Phage I think you mentioned that the Greeks, Romans, and civilizations after accomplished this without such technology, but I don't think they did so with such precisions and intricacy as seen in Puma Punku.



posted on Jun, 5 2011 @ 04:07 PM
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800 tons is a lot less than 1200.
The quarry from which the trilithon stones were taken is uphill of the site.
Romans were really smart. They knew moving stones downhill made it easier.



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